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2025-01-30 00:02:28 +0100falafel(~falafel@syn-076-093-010-089.res.spectrum.com) falafel
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2025-01-30 00:07:31 +0100yin(~yin@user/zero) zero
2025-01-30 00:07:39 +0100 <yin> any reason why ghcup is not on *insert repo* and makes up play dependency-pong everytime we install it?
2025-01-30 00:08:14 +0100 <int-e> . o O ( those are words )
2025-01-30 00:09:41 +0100falafel(~falafel@syn-076-093-010-089.res.spectrum.com) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2025-01-30 00:11:36 +0100 <int-e> I mean there's https://github.com/haskell/ghcup-hs and https://github.com/haskell/ghcup-metadata ...and there was existing Haskell infrastructure to piggy-back on for the binaries.
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2025-01-30 00:12:06 +0100Unicorn_Princess(~Unicorn_P@user/Unicorn-Princess/x-3540542) Unicorn_Princess
2025-01-30 00:12:09 +0100 <int-e> Which may or may not partially answer the question.
2025-01-30 00:13:44 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-01-30 00:15:09 +0100 <yin> i guess my problem would be solved if the installer checked for missing dependencies *before* starting the installation process
2025-01-30 00:15:38 +0100 <yin> it usually takes me a few tries
2025-01-30 00:16:18 +0100 <geekosaur> the problem with that is that every distro calls them something different
2025-01-30 00:17:31 +0100 <yin> yes, i wish i could `<packagemanager> install ghcup>
2025-01-30 00:17:46 +0100 <int-e> there's https://www.haskell.org/ghcup/install/#system-requirements ...this way ghcup doesn't have to know every single distribution on Earth
2025-01-30 00:18:01 +0100 <geekosaur> you can on some distros. you then can't use its self-upgrade safely
2025-01-30 00:18:20 +0100Googulator(~Googulato@2a01-036d-0106-1666-e945-fd21-b920-9aa7.pool6.digikabel.hu) (Quit: Client closed)
2025-01-30 00:18:28 +0100 <geekosaur> (potentially you can break your package manager if you do it as root)
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2025-01-30 00:19:09 +0100 <yin> int-e: some dependencies are missing there and, in my case today, my distro is not on that list
2025-01-30 00:20:18 +0100emmanuelux(~emmanuelu@user/emmanuelux) emmanuelux
2025-01-30 00:20:52 +0100 <geekosaur> (I say this as someone who's had to fix an OpenSuSE install and helped RH/Fedora and Debian users try to recover from installing/upgrading the wrong thing)
2025-01-30 00:21:05 +0100 <int-e> Well then ghcup itself probably wouldn't know about it either. So as geekosaur is basically saying it becomes a distro issue; Noone is stopping distros from packaging it.
2025-01-30 00:22:27 +0100 <geekosaur> (granting the package manager probably doesn't use ghcup, so probably won't do anything beyond complaining that it no longer matches the package manager database)
2025-01-30 00:23:07 +0100 <int-e> It may be hard to convince a distro to provide an installer for non-distro packages but https://packages.debian.org/sid/rustup shows that it can be done :P
2025-01-30 00:24:27 +0100 <geekosaur> there's a reason pip (python package installer) now has a "distro mode" that disables installing/upgrading system packages and warns you that you can break your distro by overriding it
2025-01-30 00:28:58 +0100 <geekosaur> oh, it's fine as lomng as it does per-user installs. it's the system-wide ones that are a problem
2025-01-30 00:29:07 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-01-30 00:29:30 +0100 <geekosaur> rustup does per-user installs, in particular
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2025-01-30 00:32:10 +0100 <geekosaur> similarly virtualenv was never a problem (it's just been superseded by `python -m venv`)
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2025-01-30 00:57:01 +0100 <haskellbridge> <Axman6> There's a poem explaining what a parser combinator is, but I can't find it online, anyone have a link to it? "A parser is a function from strings to pairs of things and strings", but I think I'm missing some words
2025-01-30 00:57:25 +0100 <haskellbridge> <Axman6> jackdk I'm sure you know it off by heart
2025-01-30 00:57:55 +0100 <haskellbridge> <Axman6> Ah found it: https://blog.nikosbaxevanis.com/2020/03/30/the-rhyme-of-the-altered-parser/
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2025-01-30 01:00:47 +0100 <jackdk> I'm partial to "A parser for things is a function from String, to Maybe the thing and the leftover String"
2025-01-30 01:02:00 +0100 <glguy> "The only place I’ve seen it being used is in ..." \o/
2025-01-30 01:02:15 +0100mange(~user@user/mange) mange
2025-01-30 01:03:10 +0100 <int-e> now try to make that work with the fail/tail rhyme
2025-01-30 01:03:29 +0100noctux(~noctux@user/noctux) noctux
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2025-01-30 01:04:22 +0100 <haskellbridge> <Axman6> glguy You're pretty much famous
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2025-01-30 01:30:55 +0100ColinRobinson(~juan@user/JuanDaugherty) JuanDaugherty
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2025-01-30 02:55:00 +0100ColinRobinson(~juan@user/JuanDaugherty) JuanDaugherty
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2025-01-30 02:57:24 +0100 <ColinRobinson> because this is a publicly logged channel, clarifying my use of 'factitious" the last time I spoke here was not meant in the English sense, at least the one that shows in web dictionary entries but rathter the one that shows for 'facticity' w or w/o sartre
2025-01-30 02:58:24 +0100 <ColinRobinson> *rather
2025-01-30 02:58:34 +0100ColinRobinson(~juan@user/JuanDaugherty) (Client Quit)
2025-01-30 02:59:40 +0100 <EvanR> are these words actually cromulent
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2025-01-30 03:01:41 +0100acidjnk_new(~acidjnk@p200300d6e7283f46c5769c4c50fc7d32.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) acidjnk
2025-01-30 03:03:35 +0100ColinRobinson(~juan@user/JuanDaugherty) JuanDaugherty
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2025-01-30 03:06:12 +0100 <ColinRobinson> aiui, 'cromulent' is a nonce without meaning other than as a meme for a nonsense term. Neither of the terms i referred to has that character. Factitious as it is being reported is the exact opposite of the deadly srsness I intend for this persona.
2025-01-30 03:06:42 +0100alfiee(~alfiee@user/alfiee) alfiee
2025-01-30 03:07:07 +0100Jeanne-Kamikaze(~Jeanne-Ka@142.147.89.199) Jeanne-Kamikaze
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2025-01-30 03:09:11 +0100 <EvanR> ColinRobinson or JuanDaugherty?
2025-01-30 03:09:27 +0100 <ColinRobinson> ColinRobinson
2025-01-30 03:09:29 +0100 <EvanR> familiar with one nick not the other
2025-01-30 03:11:10 +0100peterbecich(~Thunderbi@syn-047-229-123-186.res.spectrum.com) peterbecich
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2025-01-30 03:14:18 +0100 <ColinRobinson> the quit text leads to an explanation (catalog of identities) if u havent already seen.
2025-01-30 03:16:14 +0100ColinRobinsonJuanDaugherty
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2025-01-30 03:18:59 +0100 <JuanDaugherty> it's possible I may give it some use/role in ##haskell-nlp , it's a rich role as far as automating a persona is concerned, more bot like and this one I intend to have the prolog nature and the one sofar assigned the haskell nature i've decided not to run externally
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2025-01-30 03:21:53 +0100 <EvanR> the quit text read "Client Quit"
2025-01-30 03:22:16 +0100 <EvanR> you're a bot?
2025-01-30 03:23:03 +0100 <JuanDaugherty> not unless i'm marked away
2025-01-30 03:23:55 +0100JuanDaughertyis never away in effect
2025-01-30 03:24:06 +0100 <EvanR> o_O
2025-01-30 03:24:10 +0100 <JuanDaugherty> when present
2025-01-30 03:25:47 +0100 <JuanDaugherty> it looks like nick grouping foils the client quit message, checking
2025-01-30 03:25:55 +0100JuanDaugherty(~juan@user/JuanDaugherty) (Quit: praxis.meansofproduction.biz (juan@acm.org))
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2025-01-30 03:29:05 +0100 <talismanick> For a function as ubiquitous as `traverse`, I'm surprised there isn't an infix shorthand
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2025-01-30 03:43:32 +0100 <haskellbridge> <Bowuigi> It's easier to associate it with "for" that way I guess
2025-01-30 03:44:47 +0100tuxpaint(~a@put.gay) (Quit: gn)
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2025-01-30 03:48:33 +0100 <talismanick> `for` is nice if you're mimicking procedural langs with do-notation or simply want to spare your eyes a spurious `flip`, but I wish it was visually distinct like how `<$>` is to `fmap`
2025-01-30 03:48:56 +0100 <talismanick> `<*$>`, maybe?
2025-01-30 03:49:54 +0100 <talismanick> `<$>>=` looks nicer, but it's not just `mapM` anymore
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2025-01-30 05:07:49 +0100 <monochrom> @type traverse
2025-01-30 05:07:50 +0100 <lambdabot> (Traversable t, Applicative f) => (a -> f b) -> t a -> f (t b)
2025-01-30 05:10:38 +0100 <monochrom> Yeah something like <*$> or <$*>
2025-01-30 05:11:22 +0100 <monochrom> Note that our traverse is called flip map in impure functional languages for a certain f and a certain t. >:)
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2025-01-30 06:11:12 +0100 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> geekosaur: no, ghcup doesn't overwrite itself by default
2025-01-30 06:11:36 +0100 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> and no sane package manager places binaries in HOME
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2025-01-30 06:13:37 +0100monochrm(trebla@216.138.220.146)
2025-01-30 06:13:43 +0100 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> yin: ghcup itself has no dependencies other than "curl" or "wget". The dependencies that you mean are for _GHC_. So someone packaging ghcup properly would _not_ add those dependencies to the ghcup package.
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