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| 2025-01-10 02:32:08 +0100 | euouae | (~euouae@user/euouae) euouae |
| 2025-01-10 02:32:41 +0100 | <euouae> | Hello why does `stack --stack-yaml stack.yaml exec ghc -- --numeric-version` return 9.8.4? |
| 2025-01-10 02:32:51 +0100 | <euouae> | for my project that I craeted with stack 3.1.1? |
| 2025-01-10 02:33:34 +0100 | <euouae> | I think it retunrs the version in ~/.stack/global-projects/stack.yaml as `resolver: nightly-2024-09-26` but how should I configure my setup to prevent this? I can't load lsp correclty |
| 2025-01-10 02:38:15 +0100 | otto_s | (~user@p4ff270f4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| 2025-01-10 02:38:33 +0100 | <geekosaur> | what's the snapshot (or resolver) in your stack.yaml? |
| 2025-01-10 02:38:38 +0100 | Smiles | (uid551636@id-551636.lymington.irccloud.com) Smiles |
| 2025-01-10 02:38:47 +0100 | <euouae> | there is none, I created the project with `stack new foo` |
| 2025-01-10 02:39:13 +0100 | <euouae> | it says snapshot: url: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/commercialhaskell/stackage-snapshots/master/lts/23/3.yaml |
| 2025-01-10 02:39:36 +0100 | <geekosaur> | uh, there should always be one in there, if there isn't then it should use the one from the global as a default but it should always add one |
| 2025-01-10 02:39:55 +0100 | <euouae> | from the link I can see resolver: compiler: ghc-9.8.4 |
| 2025-01-10 02:40:00 +0100 | <geekosaur> | yes, that5 LTS uses 9.8.4 |
| 2025-01-10 02:40:14 +0100 | otto_s | (~user@p5de2f8cc.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 2025-01-10 02:40:18 +0100 | <euouae> | why is LTS 9.8.4 and ghcup recommended is different versions? |
| 2025-01-10 02:40:20 +0100 | <geekosaur> | if you want to change it, use a different resolver |
| 2025-01-10 02:40:28 +0100 | orangeFlu | (~orangeFlu@240-100-179-143.ftth.glasoperator.nl) (Quit: Lost terminal) |
| 2025-01-10 02:40:33 +0100 | Guest57 | (~Guest57@2a00:fbc:ead6:daa8:3d67:28a5:8699:d1db) |
| 2025-01-10 02:40:42 +0100 | <geekosaur> | because stack does things its own way |
| 2025-01-10 02:41:01 +0100 | <geekosaur> | if you don't install the ghcup shim it even installs its own private ghcs instead of ghcup's |
| 2025-01-10 02:41:19 +0100 | <geekosaur> | (but then you have to build your own HLSs to work with them) |
| 2025-01-10 02:41:52 +0100 | HappyNewYear2025 | (~newyear@2.219.56.221) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| 2025-01-10 02:42:19 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2025-01-10 02:42:21 +0100 | <geekosaur> | stack predates ghcup and was intended to be an all-in-one solution |
| 2025-01-10 02:43:28 +0100 | <euouae> | I just installed the shim like you said, but I guess that was anothe rthing |
| 2025-01-10 02:43:39 +0100 | <geekosaur> | also, while stack snapshots tend to be fairly recent, ghcup is quite conservative |
| 2025-01-10 02:43:49 +0100 | <euouae> | Yeah that makes sense, more stable |
| 2025-01-10 02:43:58 +0100 | <euouae> | I am new to this stuff (or it's been years) so I don't remember any of it |
| 2025-01-10 02:44:08 +0100 | <geekosaur> | although supposedly with the next patch release to 9.6 that will become ghcup recommended |
| 2025-01-10 02:44:30 +0100 | <euouae> | How do I figure out which snapshot to use with stack if I have ghc 9.4.8? Does it follow that version? |
| 2025-01-10 02:44:46 +0100 | <geekosaur> | stackage.org has a list |
| 2025-01-10 02:45:00 +0100 | <geekosaur> | it says the latest snapshot for 9.4.8 is 21.25 |
| 2025-01-10 02:45:13 +0100 | <euouae> | nice! thank you!!! |
| 2025-01-10 02:47:12 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2025-01-10 02:47:52 +0100 | _73 | (~user@pool-173-76-100-193.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) _73 |
| 2025-01-10 02:48:03 +0100 | hawer | (~newyear@2.219.56.221) |
| 2025-01-10 02:51:02 +0100 | <euouae> | how can I make this the default behavior? |
| 2025-01-10 02:51:10 +0100 | <euouae> | sigh this is difficult to figure out... I guess I can use stack new --resolver |
| 2025-01-10 02:52:05 +0100 | <geekosaur> | edit that file in ~/.stack to specify the snapshot you want by default |
| 2025-01-10 02:53:24 +0100 | <geekosaur> | you probably want to do that anyway as that's a relatively old nightly; if you want ghc 9.8 you want LTS 23.3 |
| 2025-01-10 02:53:37 +0100 | <geekosaur> | and nightlies are not especially stable |
| 2025-01-10 02:54:00 +0100 | housemate | (~housemate@pa49-185-174-252.pa.vic.optusnet.com.au) housemate |
| 2025-01-10 02:54:06 +0100 | <geekosaur> | oh right, that's what you got at first, sorry |
| 2025-01-10 02:54:23 +0100 | <euouae> | I've tried to edit ~/.stack/config.yaml and ~/.stack/global-projects/stack.yaml but neither works with `stack new` |
| 2025-01-10 02:54:46 +0100 | <euouae> | Maybe I shouldn't use stack? |
| 2025-01-10 02:55:48 +0100 | <geekosaur> | no, it just means I'm not actually a stack expert and don't know the exact place to edit off the top of my head 🙂 |
| 2025-01-10 02:56:09 +0100 | <geekosaur> | (I'm mostly a cabal user and only use stack when debuggig an xmonad user's config that's stack-based) |
| 2025-01-10 02:56:27 +0100 | <euouae> | it does make me a little sekptical because I can't figure out in the docs where 'resolver' is mentioned |
| 2025-01-10 02:56:32 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> "stack new" is a command I think not many people use, do its docs say how to configure it ? |
| 2025-01-10 02:56:55 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> https://docs.haskellstack.org/en/stable/commands/new_command/ |
| 2025-01-10 02:57:37 +0100 | <euouae> | apparently the value in ~/.stack/config.yaml must be indented to take effect |
| 2025-01-10 02:57:41 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2025-01-10 02:58:33 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> if I'm reading it right, https://github.com/commercialhaskell/stack-templates/blob/master/new-template.hsfiles seems to be the default template. But it doesn't seem to provide the stack.yaml file itself. |
| 2025-01-10 02:58:48 +0100 | <geekosaur> | it might not be mentioned because recent versions of stack renamed it to "snapshot" |
| 2025-01-10 02:58:55 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> #haskell-stack:matrix.org (https://matrix.to/#/#haskell-stack:matrix.org) will know for sure |
| 2025-01-10 02:59:33 +0100 | <euouae> | I don't use matrix though, I'm bothered by their encryption |
| 2025-01-10 03:00:05 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> ah. Well these are all FOSS rooms, unencrypted |
| 2025-01-10 03:00:29 +0100 | <euouae> | no, I meant to say that I dislike vector.im and their phony privacy thing |
| 2025-01-10 03:01:44 +0100 | <euouae> | interesting that I've specified GPL-3.0 in my ~/.stack/config.yaml template but it still gave me BSD too |
| 2025-01-10 03:01:53 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> I think you're right that "stack new" will use whatever snapshot you have in your global user config |
| 2025-01-10 03:02:10 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2025-01-10 03:02:23 +0100 | <euouae> | it also calls it copyright: ... when it's a license. o_O |
| 2025-01-10 03:02:58 +0100 | <euouae> | I'm wondering if that was me being an idiot back then. Well I've made up my mind, I'm switching to cabal before I go nuts |
| 2025-01-10 03:04:15 +0100 | vanishingideal | (~vanishing@user/vanishingideal) vanishingideal |
| 2025-01-10 03:09:24 +0100 | <euouae> | sm: if you care, <https://gitlab.com/libremonde-org/papers/research/privacy-matrix.org>, it's criticism of the privacy "features" of matrix |
| 2025-01-10 03:10:25 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> thank you. I don't use it for privacy currently |
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| 2025-01-10 03:11:53 +0100 | xff0x | (~xff0x@fsb6a9491c.tkyc517.ap.nuro.jp) |
| 2025-01-10 03:12:50 +0100 | <euouae> | although `--resolver 21.25` works from the command line for `stack new`, and although `stack new` informs me that I can set parameters under ~/.stack/config.yaml uner templates: params: it does seem to get ignored |
| 2025-01-10 03:13:03 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2025-01-10 03:13:10 +0100 | <euouae> | I've tried both resolver: lts-21.25, resolver: compiler: ghc-9.4.8, resolver: ghc-9.4.8 and snapshot: lts-21.25 |
| 2025-01-10 03:13:25 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> I can't test right now because of the usual transient network failures with some back end server :( |
| 2025-01-10 03:13:43 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> if I hear more, I'll cc it here |
| 2025-01-10 03:13:48 +0100 | <euouae> | When I read the message under `stack new` I see: "Selecting the best among 13 snapshots..." |
| 2025-01-10 03:13:56 +0100 | <euouae> | It seems like it's deciding based on some heuristic instead of my setting |
| 2025-01-10 03:14:35 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> euouae: the parameters you can set, might be just the parameters defined in the template you are using ? not sure |
| 2025-01-10 03:15:14 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> eg {{name}} and {{category}} in https://github.com/commercialhaskell/stack-templates/blob/master/new-template.hsfiles. The stack.yaml snapshot is not one of those |
| 2025-01-10 03:16:02 +0100 | <euouae> | sm, you must be right. this is so difficult lol. |
| 2025-01-10 03:16:25 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> oh yes, unless you specify it on command line it will probably look at the package.yaml generated from the template, and try to pick the snapshot that is likely to work with that |
| 2025-01-10 03:16:56 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> stack is well designed, but haskell tooling is a bit complex, it takes more than a few minutes to grok |
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| 2025-01-10 03:18:44 +0100 | vanishing | (~vanishing@user/vanishingideal) vanishingideal |
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| 2025-01-10 03:20:01 +0100 | <euouae> | alright thanks. I'll move on by just using the command line for nwo |
| 2025-01-10 03:20:53 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> (GHC's way of optimising and linking causes tight version sensitivities, which complicates everything else above. Also the tools have a long dev history.) |