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| 2025-01-03 01:39:49 +0100 | <hellwolf> | Probably I should ask here. Is there an opposite to Typeable, say Untypeable... Meaning that I would like that type variable to be bind to a phantom type such as Proxy, that has no runtime information. I can't use role annotation, because it is rather a constraint, not about the type variable itself. |
| 2025-01-03 01:41:06 +0100 | <hellwolf> | e.g. data F eff a b, and I like that eff to be total phantom, since I sometimes to unsafeCoerce to convert between different effs. |
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| 2025-01-03 01:48:54 +0100 | <geekosaur> | I think at the moment the answer is no; iirc you can't use either type roles or required type arguments (which I think can "fake it"?) on `data` |
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| 2025-01-03 01:57:12 +0100 | <hellwolf> | and on nth sort, the actual thing that brought me down is that I carried a constraint for the type, which broke all my unsafe practice. |
| 2025-01-03 01:57:22 +0100 | <hellwolf> | *thought |
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| 2025-01-03 01:58:23 +0100 | <hellwolf> | rolled back, painfully. learned some lesson playing with fire. |
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| 2025-01-03 03:20:12 +0100 | TheCoffeMaker | (~TheCoffeM@user/thecoffemaker) (Quit: So long and thanks for all the fish) |
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| 2025-01-03 03:24:44 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Bowuigi> hellwolf the typeclass Absurd from https://hackage.haskell.org/package/boring seems to be close enough to what you're looking for |
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| 2025-01-03 12:21:06 +0100 | <mari-estel> | haskell weekly more interesting than usual |
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| 2025-01-03 12:56:02 +0100 | paul_j | (~user@8.190.187.81.in-addr.arpa) |
| 2025-01-03 13:00:46 +0100 | <bwe> | Does infix notation support multiple arguments (on the left side)? |
| 2025-01-03 13:01:15 +0100 | AlexZenon | (~alzenon@5.139.233.96) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2025-01-03 13:04:36 +0100 | <geekosaur> | that's a very confused question |
| 2025-01-03 13:05:10 +0100 | <geekosaur> | it's an expression on both sides. said expression may be a function application. "multiple arguments" is incompatible with this |
| 2025-01-03 13:05:20 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2025-01-03 13:06:35 +0100 | AlexZenon | (~alzenon@5.139.233.96) |
| 2025-01-03 13:06:43 +0100 | <homo> | sounds like someone wants x ? y : z from c |
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| 2025-01-03 13:28:04 +0100 | L29Ah | (~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah) L29Ah |
| 2025-01-03 13:30:32 +0100 | dysthesis | (~dysthesis@user/dysthesis) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2025-01-03 13:30:40 +0100 | <[exa]> | bwe: you can do some trickery to make it kinda work, but I wouldn't say it's recommendable |
| 2025-01-03 13:32:10 +0100 | <[exa]> | (you need to "pack" the arguments somehow, e.g. by smashing more operators inside or by applying weird typelevel tricks, e.g. what the `printf` does to support varargs) |
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| 2025-01-03 13:36:40 +0100 | athan | (~athan@syn-075-137-062-163.biz.spectrum.com) athan |
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| 2025-01-03 14:05:29 +0100 | <bwe> | [exa]: alright, I'll don't try it. thanks for your take anyways. |
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| 2025-01-03 14:37:18 +0100 | ash3en1 | ash3en |
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| 2025-01-03 15:32:57 +0100 | <int-e> | . o O ( Why is "Real" a superclass of RealFrac? ) |
| 2025-01-03 15:35:24 +0100 | <int-e> | (Purely rhetorical; I know this is an old topic, and I have nothing useful to add. I only just ran into this because I was implementing class instances for some Q[sqrt(n)] field.) |
| 2025-01-03 15:38:47 +0100 | <merijn> | int-e: So people can also make non-real Fractions? xD |
| 2025-01-03 15:39:10 +0100 | <homo> | non-real like complex numbers? |
| 2025-01-03 15:39:29 +0100 | <homo> | or just imaginary numbers? |
| 2025-01-03 15:39:29 +0100 | <merijn> | Incidentally, there is a Fractional instance for Complex, so yes |
| 2025-01-03 15:39:52 +0100 | <homo> | well, fraction doesn't have to be real... |
| 2025-01-03 15:39:52 +0100 | <int-e> | the sole method of Real is toRational and there's nothing rational about real fields. |
| 2025-01-03 15:40:23 +0100 | <int-e> | ironically toRational + fromRational is enough to implement all of RealFrac. |
| 2025-01-03 15:40:31 +0100 | <merijn> | ssshhh baby, don't think about it ;) |
| 2025-01-03 15:41:09 +0100 | <homo> | haskell breaks terminology of mathematics |
| 2025-01-03 15:41:12 +0100 | <int-e> | I'll get over it. Again. Maybe I'll go full 1984 on this and decide tnat I love implementing class methods as `undefined`. |
| 2025-01-03 15:41:18 +0100 | taleseeker | (~taleseeke@user/taleseeker) taleseeker |
| 2025-01-03 15:43:57 +0100 | <int-e> | merijn: So the "fix" here would be Fractional -> RealFrac -> Fractional. Not going to happen and yeah I'm thinking too much about this :) |
| 2025-01-03 15:44:07 +0100 | <int-e> | s/->/=>/g |
| 2025-01-03 15:46:21 +0100 | <int-e> | that last one was supposed to be `Real` |
| 2025-01-03 15:46:39 +0100 | <int-e> | As you can see, my brain is already shutting off again. :) |
| 2025-01-03 15:46:49 +0100 | JuanDaugherty | (~juan@user/JuanDaugherty) (Quit: JuanDaugherty) |
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| 2025-01-03 16:58:16 +0100 | weary-traveler | (~user@user/user363627) user363627 |
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| 2025-01-03 17:24:44 +0100 | machinedgod | (~machinedg@d108-173-18-100.abhsia.telus.net) machinedgod |
| 2025-01-03 17:26:51 +0100 | lxsameer | (~lxsameer@Serene/lxsameer) lxsameer |
| 2025-01-03 17:27:31 +0100 | <lxsameer> | hey folks, have you tried Lean4? if yes, how do compare it to Haskell? Would you recommend it as a more modern replacement? |
| 2025-01-03 17:28:32 +0100 | kimiamania | (~65804703@user/kimiamania) (Quit: PegeLinux) |
| 2025-01-03 17:28:52 +0100 | <merijn> | lxsameer: eh I haven't tried it, but how I would compare it to Haskell is "not" |
| 2025-01-03 17:28:52 +0100 | <geekosaur> | isn't Lean4 dependently typed? so they're not really in the same ballpark |
| 2025-01-03 17:29:20 +0100 | <merijn> | geekosaur: Lean is also, afaik/afaict, very focussed on being a theorem prover |
| 2025-01-03 17:30:01 +0100 | <merijn> | lxsameer: Haskell is very much a "general purpose programming language" (that people sometimes abuse to do theorem proving in) |
| 2025-01-03 17:30:14 +0100 | kimiamania | (~65804703@user/kimiamania) kimiamania |
| 2025-01-03 17:30:33 +0100 | <merijn> | lxsameer: Whereas Lean (afaik, not having used it, but knowing it exists) is more like Coq and Agda. That is "a theorem prover" (that people sometimes abuse to do programming in) |
| 2025-01-03 17:31:11 +0100 | <lxsameer> | merijn: i'm reading the book, it seems like a general purpose lang as well. at least among all the theromprovers I looked at, it is certainly the one that we can label it as general purpose |
| 2025-01-03 17:31:58 +0100 | <geekosaur> | maybe monochrom can say a bit more |
| 2025-01-03 17:32:00 +0100 | <lxsameer> | geekosaur: sure, but the fact that there are attempts to bring dependant types to haskell make them comparable IMHO |
| 2025-01-03 17:32:30 +0100 | tromp | (~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) |
| 2025-01-03 17:32:48 +0100 | <merijn> | I suppose that Lean (looking over their docs) is perhaps more like Idris |
| 2025-01-03 17:32:55 +0100 | <merijn> | (than Coq or Agda) |
| 2025-01-03 17:33:17 +0100 | <merijn> | lxsameer: I guess the real question is "modern replacement for what?" |
| 2025-01-03 17:35:04 +0100 | <lxsameer> | good question. As rookie haskeller, I have to say, I struggled a lot with the tooling and so on |
| 2025-01-03 17:35:22 +0100 | <merijn> | lxsameer: I mean, lean doesn't seem to have any tooling for packages/etc. |
| 2025-01-03 17:35:36 +0100 | <lxsameer> | merijn: it ships with one called lake |
| 2025-01-03 17:35:59 +0100 | <lxsameer> | I'm pretty knew to it hence the question |
| 2025-01-03 17:36:04 +0100 | <merijn> | What tooling did you struggle with? |
| 2025-01-03 17:36:30 +0100 | <geekosaur> | I've had less trouble with cabal than cargo, and let's not even get started on rust-analyzer |
| 2025-01-03 17:36:51 +0100 | <lxsameer> | geekosaur: Amen to that |
| 2025-01-03 17:37:15 +0100 | <lxsameer> | merijn: Cabal, GHC |
| 2025-01-03 17:37:31 +0100 | <merijn> | lxsameer: What OS? How did you install them? |
| 2025-01-03 17:37:39 +0100 | <lxsameer> | i'm ok with them right now since I had my battle with them :D |
| 2025-01-03 17:37:45 +0100 | <lxsameer> | NixOS |
| 2025-01-03 17:38:11 +0100 | <merijn> | ah |
| 2025-01-03 17:38:33 +0100 | <merijn> | I like Nix *conceptually* I'm not at all sold on the UX it has :p |
| 2025-01-03 17:38:58 +0100 | <merijn> | lxsameer: Did you try ghcup? (Not sure how well that works on Nix) |
| 2025-01-03 17:39:06 +0100 | <lxsameer> | merijn: I love to be honest even though it took me a long time to admit it |
| 2025-01-03 17:39:37 +0100 | <lxsameer> | merijn: yeah I tried that too. it's ok right now |
| 2025-01-03 17:41:33 +0100 | xdminsy | (~xdminsy@117.147.71.240) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2025-01-03 17:42:04 +0100 | xdminsy | (~xdminsy@117.147.71.240) xdminsy |
| 2025-01-03 17:53:13 +0100 | <int-e> | . o O ( Nix is the solution to a problem that almost nobody has? ) |
| 2025-01-03 17:54:09 +0100 | <mari-estel> | except cabal, with bin dependencies sometimes missing |
| 2025-01-03 17:56:41 +0100 | <lxsameer> | int-e: and what is that problem :D |
| 2025-01-03 17:59:00 +0100 | mari-estel | (~mari-este@user/mari-estel) (Quit: overflow) |
| 2025-01-03 18:00:52 +0100 | <int-e> | lxsameer: conflicting versions of packages coexisting in one space... there's always somebody who finds a use for such things. stuff like (oh god that TLD) https://nixos.pro/posts/why-nixos-is-revolutionizing-the-way-we-manage-operating-systems/ |
| 2025-01-03 18:01:29 +0100 | <int-e> | Which I googled... I just wanted *one* example of the inevitable blog post that portrays NixOS as THE solution for something. |
| 2025-01-03 18:02:23 +0100 | <geekosaur> | practically every nix/nixos kool-aid drinker I've ever encountered |
| 2025-01-03 18:02:25 +0100 | <int-e> | (there's a huge overlap between this one and people juggling VM images/containers) |
| 2025-01-03 18:02:29 +0100 | <lxsameer> | int-e: ah i see, I have to say, Nix and NixOS is one of those things that you'll appriciate only after when you experienced it. |
| 2025-01-03 18:02:56 +0100 | <homo> | guix is better than nixos, because it is fsdg-compliant (respects your freedom), reproducible and bootstrappable |
| 2025-01-03 18:02:58 +0100 | <int-e> | . o O ( aka Stockholm syndrome ) |
| 2025-01-03 18:03:07 +0100 | <lxsameer> | We have/had a huuuuuge build pipeline for a really complicated software written mostly in C++ using Conan |
| 2025-01-03 18:03:21 +0100 | <lxsameer> | and every build used to take 9 hours. |
| 2025-01-03 18:03:43 +0100 | <int-e> | lxsameer: I seriously believe that I haven't yet encountered a problem that would justify the leap. And I suspect that I'm not alone in this :-P |
| 2025-01-03 18:04:09 +0100 | <lxsameer> | We literally packaged every dependency and our toolchain was pretty outdated just because we couldn't migrate it to the newer version thanks to conan |
| 2025-01-03 18:04:20 +0100 | <int-e> | I tend to have a problem that NixOS makes worse... running out of disk space. |
| 2025-01-03 18:04:41 +0100 | <lxsameer> | but using nix, OMG everything is very smooth, dependency management is not a nightmare any more |
| 2025-01-03 18:05:09 +0100 | <lxsameer> | int-e: yeah disk can be an issue, but I'm 3T and my store is like 200G |
| 2025-01-03 18:05:25 +0100 | <lxsameer> | beside that, one otherthing that I love is OS as a function |
| 2025-01-03 18:05:26 +0100 | <yushyin> | nix has its quirks, annoyances and such but i do like it for the nixos modules (cfgmgmt), i tried other solutions (puppet, ansible) but I ended up with nixos |
| 2025-01-03 18:05:43 +0100 | Sgeo | (~Sgeo@user/sgeo) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2025-01-03 18:05:58 +0100 | Sgeo | (~Sgeo@user/sgeo) Sgeo |
| 2025-01-03 18:06:06 +0100 | <lxsameer> | oh yeah, i bootstrap a new node in a deterministic way, essentially git for my os |
| 2025-01-03 18:06:40 +0100 | <lxsameer> | my OS never breaks, if I screw, I just rollback one generation and baaam! all good |
| 2025-01-03 18:11:13 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2025-01-03 18:12:21 +0100 | prasad | (~Thunderbi@c-73-75-25-251.hsd1.in.comcast.net) |
| 2025-01-03 18:12:44 +0100 | <yushyin> | i cannot say the same, i have complex enough configurations that were 'broken' after updates and due to state (which nixos is terrible at managing) I couldn't just rollback to an older generation ... |
| 2025-01-03 18:12:58 +0100 | <yushyin> | (still my favorite cfgmgmt for personal use) |
| 2025-01-03 18:13:32 +0100 | <lxsameer> | yushyin: you couldn't rollback at boot |
| 2025-01-03 18:13:34 +0100 | <lxsameer> | ? |
| 2025-01-03 18:16:40 +0100 | <yushyin> | i certainly could have started an older generation, but the system would still be 'broken', i would also have had to restore the state (in /var/lib) from a backup (that didn't exist) |
| 2025-01-03 18:17:07 +0100 | <lxsameer> | yushyin: ah got it |
| 2025-01-03 18:23:33 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
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| 2025-01-03 18:41:20 +0100 | Jeanne-Kamikaze | (~Jeanne-Ka@static-198-54-134-176.cust.tzulo.com) Jeanne-Kamikaze |
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| 2025-01-03 19:30:28 +0100 | <bwe> | how do I pattern match for a single member NonEmpty? |
| 2025-01-03 19:30:43 +0100 | Lord_of_Life_ | (~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915) Lord_of_Life |
| 2025-01-03 19:31:03 +0100 | <geekosaur> | (x:|[]) ? |
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| 2025-01-03 19:33:39 +0100 | Lord_of_Life_ | Lord_of_Life |
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| 2025-01-03 19:52:17 +0100 | _xor4 | _xor |
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| 2025-01-03 19:59:04 +0100 | Digitteknohippie | (~user@user/digit) Digit |
| 2025-01-03 19:59:15 +0100 | <bwe> | geekosaur: works, thanks! |
| 2025-01-03 19:59:54 +0100 | Digit | (~user@user/digit) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| 2025-01-03 20:02:31 +0100 | Digitteknohippie | Digit |
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| 2025-01-03 20:09:06 +0100 | <monochrom> | Unpopular opinion: Don't rollback, just start afresh and replay a prefix of the history. :) |
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| 2025-01-03 21:04:47 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> https://paste.tomsmeding.com/2PZ3zHir I've got that implementation of a sparseset, i already sprinkled in INLINEs but i dont quite under stand why im getting the following prof output https://paste.tomsmeding.com/jjgSGOAa sparsesets should be fast, especially with an "exists" query as thats O(1) |
| 2025-01-03 21:05:33 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> its an STRef internally running in IO in the end |
| 2025-01-03 21:05:47 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> maybe the fact thats it generic over m is whats slowing the whole thing down? |
| 2025-01-03 21:29:30 +0100 | weary-traveler | (~user@user/user363627) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2025-01-03 21:31:58 +0100 | ft | (~ft@p3e9bcb80.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2025-01-03 21:33:56 +0100 | ft | (~ft@p3e9bc111.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) ft |
| 2025-01-03 21:34:30 +0100 | <c_wraith> | the fact that it's doing 70% of the allocation makes me suspect it's getting the blame for evaluating something that was otherwise getting passed to it unevaluated. |
| 2025-01-03 21:35:09 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> so something is not strict which ought to be strict? |
| 2025-01-03 21:35:31 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> well, a good start would be making the tuple strict |
| 2025-01-03 21:37:40 +0100 | <c_wraith> | Just in general, this doesn't look like code that was written to make it easy for users to control evaluation. |
| 2025-01-03 21:38:30 +0100 | acidjnk_new3 | (~acidjnk@p200300d6e7283f650d9e6e69048fea1c.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) acidjnk |
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| 2025-01-03 21:42:00 +0100 | causal | (~eric@50.35.84.231) causal |
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| 2025-01-03 21:43:48 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> Well, i wrote it sooo |
| 2025-01-03 21:43:55 +0100 | itscaleb6 | (~itscaleb@user/itscaleb) itscaleb |
| 2025-01-03 21:43:59 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> Any tips are greatly appreciated |
| 2025-01-03 21:44:18 +0100 | rdcdr_ | (~rdcdr@75-172-28-251.tukw.qwest.net) |
| 2025-01-03 21:44:43 +0100 | ft | (~ft@p3e9bc8e9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) ft |
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| 2025-01-03 21:46:01 +0100 | itscaleb6 | itscaleb |
| 2025-01-03 21:48:03 +0100 | <EvanR> | before you modify the ST ref do you make sure to evaluate the value |
| 2025-01-03 21:48:11 +0100 | <EvanR> | if it's like, just a number |
| 2025-01-03 21:48:36 +0100 | <c_wraith> | If you haven't read https://apfelmus.nfshost.com/blog/2013/08/21-space-invariants.html , start there. Focus especially on the idea that what's useful is linking evaluation. |
| 2025-01-03 21:51:01 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> EvanR no i dont, would be nice to do so |
| 2025-01-03 21:51:17 +0100 | AlexZenon | (~alzenon@5.139.233.96) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| 2025-01-03 21:51:52 +0100 | <EvanR> | is there an equivalent of evaluate for ST |
| 2025-01-03 21:51:53 +0100 | <EvanR> | :t evaluate |
| 2025-01-03 21:51:54 +0100 | <lambdabot> | a -> IO a |
| 2025-01-03 21:52:38 +0100 | <EvanR> | oh there is |
| 2025-01-03 21:52:39 +0100 | <EvanR> | modifySTRef' |
| 2025-01-03 21:52:51 +0100 | <monochrom> | There may be a modifySTRef' . If not, you add your own $! or bang, writeSTRef v $! (n+1) |
| 2025-01-03 21:53:35 +0100 | <EvanR> | ! is pronounced bang. $! wants to be pronounced whizbang. I say |
| 2025-01-03 21:53:44 +0100 | <monochrom> | err, s/bang/seq/ e.g. let n1 = n+1 in seq n1 (writeSTRef v n1) which is what the $! does |
| 2025-01-03 21:55:14 +0100 | AlexZenon | (~alzenon@5.139.233.96) |
| 2025-01-03 21:55:29 +0100 | <c_wraith> | is PrimMonad always either ST s or IO? |
| 2025-01-03 21:56:51 +0100 | <c_wraith> | man, vector's new cabal layout really messes with haddock. The index only includes the items in the benchmark. |
| 2025-01-03 21:58:00 +0100 | itscaleb4 | (~itscaleb@user/itscaleb) itscaleb |
| 2025-01-03 21:58:07 +0100 | <c_wraith> | Oh, no. PrimMonad can be transformers around one of those. |
| 2025-01-03 21:58:54 +0100 | rdcdr | (~rdcdr@user/rdcdr) rdcdr |
| 2025-01-03 22:00:01 +0100 | rdcdr_ | (~rdcdr@75-172-28-251.tukw.qwest.net) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2025-01-03 22:00:14 +0100 | itscaleb | (~itscaleb@user/itscaleb) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2025-01-03 22:00:14 +0100 | itscaleb4 | itscaleb |
| 2025-01-03 22:01:24 +0100 | kimiamania | (~65804703@user/kimiamania) (Quit: PegeLinux) |
| 2025-01-03 22:01:47 +0100 | kimiamania | (~65804703@user/kimiamania) kimiamania |
| 2025-01-03 22:04:57 +0100 | ft | (~ft@p3e9bc8e9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2025-01-03 22:10:25 +0100 | Jeanne-Kamikaze | (~Jeanne-Ka@static-198-54-134-176.cust.tzulo.com) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2025-01-03 22:17:45 +0100 | dsrt^ | (dsrt@c-98-242-74-66.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
| 2025-01-03 22:18:18 +0100 | <monochrom> | Haha only the benchmarks are documented. |
| 2025-01-03 22:19:46 +0100 | dsrt^ | (~dsrt@c-98-242-74-66.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) |
| 2025-01-03 22:23:14 +0100 | <c_wraith> | I'm not sure if that one's an issue with cabal, haddock, or the way vector layed things out |