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| 2024-10-13 05:09:34 +0200 | Inst | (~Inst@user/Inst) Inst |
| 2024-10-13 05:10:00 +0200 | <Inst> | a function with a type, without any typeclass constraints, of a -> b is equivalent to a -> Void, right? |
| 2024-10-13 05:11:02 +0200 | <probie> | Inst: can you define "equivalent"? It has the same number of inhabitants |
| 2024-10-13 05:11:34 +0200 | <Inst> | "essentially the same", which is just as ambiguously useless as equivalent |
| 2024-10-13 05:11:47 +0200 | <Inst> | i was reading Eric Normand complaining about the meaninglessness of type signatures |
| 2024-10-13 05:12:00 +0200 | <Inst> | "a -> a doesn't tell you anything", ummm, it tells you it's id |
| 2024-10-13 05:12:27 +0200 | <Inst> | which gets me thinking to a -> b must be unfulfillable, as well as the possible inhabitants of [a] -> [a] |
| 2024-10-13 05:13:45 +0200 | <geekosaur> | it's not a -> Void, it's a -> b. the trick being that it must be `undefined` |
| 2024-10-13 05:13:46 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2024-10-13 05:13:59 +0200 | <geekosaur> | in the same way that a -> a must be `id` |
| 2024-10-13 05:14:38 +0200 | <Lears> | `forall a b. a -> b` ~ `forall a. a -> forall b. b` ~ `forall a. a -> Void` ~ `(exists a. a) -> Void` ~ `() -> Void` ~ `Void` |
| 2024-10-13 05:14:41 +0200 | <Lears> | All isomorphic. |
| 2024-10-13 05:14:45 +0200 | <geekosaur> | sorry, I mean the only value possible of type `b` |
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| 2024-10-13 05:20:55 +0200 | Inst_ | (~Inst@user/Inst) Inst |
| 2024-10-13 05:21:08 +0200 | Inst | (~Inst@user/Inst) (Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Inst_))) |
| 2024-10-13 05:21:11 +0200 | Inst_ | Inst |
| 2024-10-13 05:21:14 +0200 | <Inst> | geekosaur: but a -> Void is defined, on the term level, exactly the same as a -> b |
| 2024-10-13 05:22:03 +0200 | <Inst> | also, it implies that any function whose signature ends in an unconstrained type variable, is equivalent to trying to produce a value of type Void |
| 2024-10-13 05:24:08 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
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| 2024-10-13 05:31:00 +0200 | aforemny_ | (~aforemny@i577BEEEB.versanet.de) aforemny |
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| 2024-10-13 05:32:59 +0200 | <probie> | Inst: I don't think that last bit is true (depending on what you mean by "unconstrained"). `a -> (a -> b) -> b` is not restricted to `Void` |
| 2024-10-13 05:35:12 +0200 | <Inst> | i guess i should be more precise when I say constrained |
| 2024-10-13 05:35:31 +0200 | <Inst> | b there is constrained by its usage in that function, also, hi (&) |
| 2024-10-13 05:39:11 +0200 | peterbecich | (~Thunderbi@syn-047-229-123-186.res.spectrum.com) peterbecich |
| 2024-10-13 05:39:55 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-10-13 05:42:13 +0200 | <Inst> | also, is it me, but is data families just "i miss OOP class declarations"? |
| 2024-10-13 05:42:58 +0200 | <yin> | i never got into data families. i'm not sure if i like them |
| 2024-10-13 05:42:59 +0200 | tcard__ | (~tcard@2400:4051:5801:7500:cf17:befc:ff82:5303) |
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| 2024-10-13 05:43:24 +0200 | <yin> | can't remember if i ever got to understand them |
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| 2024-10-13 05:44:43 +0200 | <geekosaur> | my feel is that data families are just function definitions spread over multiple source files |
| 2024-10-13 05:44:50 +0200 | <geekosaur> | or declarations |
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| 2024-10-13 05:45:22 +0200 | <geekosaur> | I don't see them get used much if at all |
| 2024-10-13 05:45:52 +0200 | <geekosaur> | type families, OTOH, are the only way to create type functions since you can't make type functions the way you make value level functions |
| 2024-10-13 05:49:03 +0200 | <yin> | i don't use type families much if at all |
| 2024-10-13 05:49:27 +0200 | <yin> | but i guess i recognize their utility |
| 2024-10-13 05:49:48 +0200 | Lord_of_Life | (~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
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| 2024-10-13 05:57:59 +0200 | Lord_of_Life | (~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915) Lord_of_Life |
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| 2024-10-13 06:03:27 +0200 | <Inst> | i'm trying to remember someone telling me that you can break derive functor by adding type lambdas |
| 2024-10-13 06:03:44 +0200 | <Inst> | after I foolishly thought I got one over Hutton by claiming that there's more than one possible functor instance |
| 2024-10-13 06:03:59 +0200 | Lord_of_Life | (~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915) (Quit: Laa shay'a waqi'un moutlaq bale kouloun moumkine) |
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| 2024-10-13 06:08:15 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Bowuigi> Inst/Lears parametricity and "Reason Isomorphically!" to the rescue! |
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| 2024-10-13 06:14:41 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Bowuigi> Also note that parametricity only works at the term level. Type families break it |
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| 2024-10-13 06:49:50 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2024-10-13 07:01:08 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-10-13 07:05:57 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2024-10-13 07:06:55 +0200 | synchromesh | (~john@2406:5a00:2497:300:5545:131a:a4af:e344) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2024-10-13 07:07:53 +0200 | synchromesh | (~john@2406:5a00:2497:300:5545:131a:a4af:e344) synchromesh |
| 2024-10-13 07:13:30 +0200 | Sgeo | (~Sgeo@user/sgeo) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2024-10-13 07:14:08 +0200 | Sgeo | (~Sgeo@user/sgeo) Sgeo |
| 2024-10-13 07:16:56 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-10-13 07:17:26 +0200 | gmg | (~user@user/gehmehgeh) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2024-10-13 07:20:04 +0200 | vanishingideal | (~vanishing@user/vanishingideal) (Quit: Lost terminal) |
| 2024-10-13 07:21:43 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2024-10-13 07:21:59 +0200 | gmg | (~user@user/gehmehgeh) gehmehgeh |
| 2024-10-13 07:25:07 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-10-13 07:30:17 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2024-10-13 07:36:05 +0200 | motherfsck | (~motherfsc@user/motherfsck) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2024-10-13 07:40:55 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-10-13 07:41:00 +0200 | euphores | (~SASL_euph@user/euphores) (Quit: Leaving.) |
| 2024-10-13 07:45:51 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2024-10-13 07:47:57 +0200 | euphores | (~SASL_euph@user/euphores) euphores |
| 2024-10-13 07:53:17 +0200 | takuan | (~takuan@178-116-218-225.access.telenet.be) |
| 2024-10-13 07:56:43 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-10-13 08:01:47 +0200 | sam113101 | (~sam@modemcable220.199-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2024-10-13 08:01:49 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2024-10-13 08:02:12 +0200 | sam113101 | (~sam@modemcable220.199-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) sam113101 |
| 2024-10-13 08:12:29 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-10-13 08:17:21 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
| 2024-10-13 08:18:08 +0200 | machinedgod | (~machinedg@d50-99-47-73.abhsia.telus.net) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2024-10-13 08:26:08 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-10-13 08:30:08 +0200 | rosco | (~rosco@175.136.22.30) rosco |
| 2024-10-13 08:31:45 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2024-10-13 08:42:43 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
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| 2024-10-13 08:56:22 +0200 | Sgeo | (~Sgeo@user/sgeo) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2024-10-13 08:56:33 +0200 | Sgeo | (~Sgeo@user/sgeo) Sgeo |
| 2024-10-13 08:59:18 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-10-13 09:00:01 +0200 | tt123109783243 | (~tt1231@2603:6010:8700:4a81:219f:50d3:618a:a6ee) (Quit: The Lounge - https://thelounge.chat) |
| 2024-10-13 09:00:03 +0200 | caconym | (~caconym@user/caconym) (Quit: bye) |
| 2024-10-13 09:00:40 +0200 | caconym | (~caconym@user/caconym) caconym |
| 2024-10-13 09:03:18 +0200 | tt123109783243 | (~tt1231@2603:6010:8700:4a81:219f:50d3:618a:a6ee) tt1231 |
| 2024-10-13 09:04:01 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2024-10-13 09:08:21 +0200 | robobub | (uid248673@id-248673.uxbridge.irccloud.com) robobub |
| 2024-10-13 09:15:03 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-10-13 09:15:42 +0200 | <dminuoso> | Hoogle has been performing horribly slow for me for several weeks now. What's up with that? |
| 2024-10-13 09:18:32 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> it's known.. seems to be hard to fix.. |
| 2024-10-13 09:18:41 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> there's another one at https://stackage.org |
| 2024-10-13 09:19:58 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 2024-10-13 09:21:51 +0200 | rosco | (~rosco@175.136.22.30) (Quit: Lost terminal) |
| 2024-10-13 09:27:07 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-10-13 09:32:14 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2024-10-13 09:35:08 +0200 | comonad | (~comonad@p200300d0272bda000e01a379c24cc428.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 2024-10-13 09:35:28 +0200 | loonycyborg_ | (loonycybor@chat.chantal.wesnoth.org) (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net) |
| 2024-10-13 09:35:38 +0200 | sus0 | (zero@user/zeromomentum) (Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)) |
| 2024-10-13 09:35:39 +0200 | loonycyborg | (loonycybor@wesnoth/developer/loonycyborg) loonycyborg |
| 2024-10-13 09:35:45 +0200 | terrorjack4 | (~terrorjac@2a01:4f8:c17:dc9f::) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2024-10-13 09:35:48 +0200 | sus0 | (zero@user/zeromomentum) zeromomentum |
| 2024-10-13 09:36:40 +0200 | terrorjack4 | (~terrorjac@2a01:4f8:c17:dc9f::) terrorjack |
| 2024-10-13 09:42:55 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-10-13 09:49:37 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2024-10-13 10:00:57 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-10-13 10:04:21 +0200 | lockywolf | (~lockywolf@public.lockywolf.net) (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in) |
| 2024-10-13 10:06:00 +0200 | lockywolf | (~lockywolf@2a03:6000:6f63:638::2) lockywolf |
| 2024-10-13 10:06:04 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2024-10-13 10:12:36 +0200 | fireking04 | (~user@36-227-68-134.dynamic-ip.hinet.net) |
| 2024-10-13 10:14:19 +0200 | alp_ | (~alp@2001:861:e3d6:8f80:9cf9:d6ee:25c3:ffab) |
| 2024-10-13 10:16:44 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |