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| 2024-06-23 07:54:47 +0200 | <delillo> | hello |
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| 2024-06-23 10:40:55 +0200 | <andrea_r> | I'm writing the bindings to the Arcan display server text user interface, a C API to create text based applications. The main component of this library is a structure populated with callback function pointers and a void* pointer for some user data to be passed to each called function. |
| 2024-06-23 10:41:28 +0200 | <andrea_r> | I'm using the "wrapper" ffi ccall to generate FunPtr to the haskell functions and a StablePtr to pass them a haskell object, after calling castStablePtrToPtr to cast it to void* and castPtrToStablePtr to retrieve it and de-reference it with deRefStablePtr. |
| 2024-06-23 10:41:41 +0200 | <andrea_r> | Everything works as expected except for one single function, called for dealing with mouse button events. I check if the Ptr () is not null, I can peek it to retrieve the void, I can cast it to a StablePtr and cast it back to Ptr () and it still is not null, but whenever I call deRefStablePtr on it I get a SIGSEG. I checked the C side and I cannot spot any obvious bug. I'm not able to reproduce the issue in a sample |
| 2024-06-23 10:41:41 +0200 | <andrea_r> | code since everything works just fine. Any idea on how to debug this problem? |
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| 2024-06-23 15:52:35 +0200 | <glguy> | andrea_r: I would expect you you to use a StablePtr, or an FFI wrapper, but not both at the same time |
| 2024-06-23 15:54:15 +0200 | <glguy> | Do you mean you're using a function wrapper and it's closure argument is the stable pointer? |
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| 2024-06-23 16:32:56 +0200 | <andrea_r> | glguy: yes |
| 2024-06-23 16:34:29 +0200 | <andrea_r> | well, actually the wrapper create the FunPtr. The StablePtr is passed to the haskell function called by the C side |
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| 2024-06-23 16:36:03 +0200 | <glguy> | Can you show me the code you mean? For most C apis would wouldn't need to use a dynamic wrapper. |
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| 2024-06-23 16:44:00 +0200 | <andrea_r> | I'll prepare a small example, since I did not commit the offending code yet (I hope to find a solution first) |
| 2024-06-23 16:45:36 +0200 | <andrea_r> | this is the haskell side of the ffi imports (tui_cbcfg is the structure holding the function pointers): https://codeberg.org/andrea_rossato/hs-arcan-shmif/src/branch/main/src/Graphics/Arcan/Tui/Internal… |
| 2024-06-23 16:48:12 +0200 | <andrea_r> | and this is the C side: https://github.com/letoram/arcan/blob/master/src/shmif/arcan_tui.h#L263 |
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| 2024-06-23 16:55:31 +0200 | <glguy> | Neither of these mention StablePtr? |
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| 2024-06-23 18:21:21 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Jade> ghc fails with |
| 2024-06-23 18:21:21 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | ... long message truncated: https://kf8nh.com/_matrix/media/v3/download/kf8nh.com/YuLNuoRsLIuNtkQsdyJNxgIL (5 lines) |
| 2024-06-23 18:23:15 +0200 | philopsos1 | (~caecilius@user/philopsos) |
| 2024-06-23 18:23:33 +0200 | <geekosaur> | does `ld --version` work? |
| 2024-06-23 18:25:01 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Jade> ld --version |
| 2024-06-23 18:25:01 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | GNU ld (GNU Binutils) 2.42.0 |
| 2024-06-23 18:26:51 +0200 | <geekosaur> | interesting. if nobody else here has suggestions, I suggest #GHC:matrix.org |
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| 2024-06-23 21:06:56 +0200 | <yin> | hypothetically, hot reloading (changing the code and seeing its effects while the program is running, without reloading it) should be simpler to achieve in a purely functional language, shouldn't it? |
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| 2024-06-23 21:31:09 +0200 | <EvanR> | it's easy in an interpreted language, functional or not |
| 2024-06-23 21:31:57 +0200 | <EvanR> | I'm curious how hot code reloading should work with static types |
| 2024-06-23 21:32:05 +0200 | <EvanR> | can the types change or not during a hot reload |
| 2024-06-23 21:33:35 +0200 | <c_wraith> | I've done hot code reloading in GHC. |
| 2024-06-23 21:33:53 +0200 | <c_wraith> | There are a few limitations you need to worry about. |
| 2024-06-23 21:34:31 +0200 | <c_wraith> | the GHC api doesn't support concurrent use. Not a *huge* deal, but you need to ensure that it's only used serially |
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| 2024-06-23 21:35:28 +0200 | <c_wraith> | You can't reload code coming from a package. Also note a huge deal, but worth making note of |
| 2024-06-23 21:36:32 +0200 | <c_wraith> | even at -O0, GHC can be slow enough that hot reloading is a notable performance hit. This one is a real practical issue, putting upper bounds on the size of the code you can work with |
| 2024-06-23 21:38:20 +0200 | <c_wraith> | In some sense "reloading" is a misnomer. It's loading new modules, not replacing existing ones. And yes, the relevant minimum scope is modules. |
| 2024-06-23 21:39:18 +0200 | <c_wraith> | You need to architect your API around module boundaries that support loading new code and replacing the old code with the new code. |
| 2024-06-23 21:40:51 +0200 | <c_wraith> | And that includes types - any module getting loaded at run time is a brand new module. data types inside it are not the same as data types from a module that may share the same name. |
| 2024-06-23 21:41:21 +0200 | <c_wraith> | Even if the definition is identical. Nominal typing includes the identity of the defining module. |
| 2024-06-23 21:42:40 +0200 | <c_wraith> | You can work inside all those constraints and come up with pretty effective systems. But it's something you need to design around, to some extent. You can't just drop in support. |
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