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2024-05-19 03:06:01 +0200 <monochrom> No cake :( hee hee :)
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2024-05-19 04:35:30 +0200 <EvanR> no cake in libera-birthday, no cake in lambdabot either
2024-05-19 04:35:32 +0200 <EvanR> > cake
2024-05-19 04:35:34 +0200 <lambdabot> error:
2024-05-19 04:35:34 +0200 <lambdabot> • Variable not in scope: cake
2024-05-19 04:35:34 +0200 <lambdabot> • Perhaps you meant one of these:
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2024-05-19 11:16:08 +0200 <tomsmeding> @cake
2024-05-19 11:16:08 +0200 <lambdabot> cide ........ The Collaborative International Dictionary of English
2024-05-19 11:16:34 +0200 <tomsmeding> ... uh? :p
2024-05-19 11:17:13 +0200 <Rembane> I wonder what the story behind that one is
2024-05-19 11:17:15 +0200 <Rembane> @cide
2024-05-19 11:17:15 +0200 <lambdabot> cide ........ The Collaborative International Dictionary of English
2024-05-19 11:17:17 +0200 <Rembane> Hm...
2024-05-19 11:17:32 +0200 <Rembane> I was expecting @cide to refer to some cake acronym
2024-05-19 11:19:20 +0200 <tomsmeding> @cide hello
2024-05-19 11:19:23 +0200 <lambdabot> *** "Hello" gcide "The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48"
2024-05-19 11:19:23 +0200 <lambdabot> Hello \Hel*lo"\, interj. & n.
2024-05-19 11:19:23 +0200 <lambdabot> An exclamation used as a greeting, to call attention, as an
2024-05-19 11:19:23 +0200 <lambdabot> exclamation of surprise, or to encourage one. This variant of
2024-05-19 11:19:23 +0200 <lambdabot> {Halloo} and {Holloo} has become the dominant form. In the
2024-05-19 11:19:25 +0200 <lambdabot> [3 @more lines]
2024-05-19 11:19:37 +0200 <tomsmeding> @cake hello
2024-05-19 11:19:38 +0200 <lambdabot> *** "Hello" gcide "The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48"
2024-05-19 11:19:38 +0200 <lambdabot> Hello \Hel*lo"\, interj. & n.
2024-05-19 11:19:38 +0200 <lambdabot> An exclamation used as a greeting, to call attention, as an
2024-05-19 11:19:38 +0200 <lambdabot> exclamation of surprise, or to encourage one. This variant of
2024-05-19 11:19:38 +0200 <lambdabot> {Halloo} and {Holloo} has become the dominant form. In the
2024-05-19 11:19:40 +0200 <lambdabot> [3 @more lines]
2024-05-19 11:19:48 +0200 <tomsmeding> does it take the most similar command or something?
2024-05-19 11:19:52 +0200 <tomsmeding> https://github.com/lambdabot/lambdabot/blob/6d69d59d4db796fa3a750ec01d90156ffee2c209/lambdabot-ref…
2024-05-19 11:20:31 +0200 <tomsmeding> @unmtt ReaderT r IO a
2024-05-19 11:20:31 +0200 <lambdabot> r -> IO a
2024-05-19 11:20:34 +0200 <tomsmeding> seems so
2024-05-19 11:21:39 +0200 <Rembane> That's funny!
2024-05-19 11:21:50 +0200 <Rembane> @dac monad
2024-05-19 11:21:50 +0200 <lambdabot> Maybe you meant: src rc ghc faq docs do dice
2024-05-19 11:22:02 +0200 <Rembane> @dice 20
2024-05-19 11:22:02 +0200 <lambdabot> unexpected end of input: expecting digit, operator or end of input: no rolls in expression
2024-05-19 11:22:05 +0200 <Rembane> @dice
2024-05-19 11:22:05 +0200 <lambdabot> unexpected end of input: expecting number, "d" or "("
2024-05-19 11:22:09 +0200 <Rembane> @dice d20
2024-05-19 11:22:09 +0200 <lambdabot> Rembane: 12
2024-05-19 11:22:20 +0200 <Rembane> @dyce d20
2024-05-19 11:22:20 +0200 <lambdabot> Rembane: 14
2024-05-19 11:22:52 +0200 <Rembane> Science has been made!
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2024-05-19 11:25:46 +0200 <ski> @brain
2024-05-19 11:25:47 +0200 <lambdabot> Be quiet Pinky, or I shall have to hurt you.
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2024-05-19 17:06:42 +0200 <jtza8> I'm wondering why GHC refuses to print UTF-8 encoded, non-ascii charactes despite my LANG environment variable being set to "en_US.UTF-8". My terminal doesn't have any trouble printing exotic characters.
2024-05-19 17:08:13 +0200 <jtza8> (I'm trying to use the Hedgehog testing suite.)
2024-05-19 17:09:29 +0200 <yin> jtza8: what are you getting instead?
2024-05-19 17:09:32 +0200wootehfoot(~wootehfoo@user/wootehfoot)
2024-05-19 17:10:24 +0200 <jtza8> Compiled code crashes with an exception, ghci prints question marks instead of "invalid" code points.
2024-05-19 17:11:14 +0200 <yin> are you using print, putStr, show , or something else?
2024-05-19 17:12:15 +0200 <jtza8> I tested putStrLn.
2024-05-19 17:12:26 +0200 <jtza8> Strangely fails.
2024-05-19 17:12:35 +0200ss4(~wootehfoo@user/wootehfoot) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2024-05-19 17:14:07 +0200 <yin> String or Text ?
2024-05-19 17:14:26 +0200 <jtza8> String
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2024-05-19 17:16:16 +0200 <yin> try using Text
2024-05-19 17:17:06 +0200 <jtza8> It's likely something with my setup. Using nix on Arch Linux.
2024-05-19 17:17:36 +0200 <jtza8> Thanks though.
2024-05-19 17:20:28 +0200 <yin> String represent sequences of characters encoded as Unicode code points but it's not tied to any specific encoding afaiui. using Text ensures the text is properly encoded as UTF-8
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2024-05-19 17:44:23 +0200 <tomsmeding> that's irrelevant
2024-05-19 17:44:34 +0200justsomeguy(~justsomeg@user/justsomeguy)
2024-05-19 17:44:40 +0200 <tomsmeding> the internal encoding of the buffer has nothing to do with what gets put on stdout by putStrLn
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2024-05-19 17:45:57 +0200 <tomsmeding> jtza8: is your executable running inside some interesting environment? Is its output piped to, or its input piped from, some other process (i.e. are some of stdin or stdout not a proper tty), or does it run inside a container, or a systemd unit, or cron job or whatever?
2024-05-19 17:48:23 +0200 <tomsmeding> jtza8: what happens if you put `main = putStrLn "\12354"` in a file, compile that with ghc directly, and run the resulting executable manually?
2024-05-19 17:48:30 +0200 <tomsmeding> (you should get あ)
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2024-05-19 17:51:19 +0200 <tomsmeding> and also, what do you get if you pipe that program's output to xxd (or `od -x`)?
2024-05-19 17:53:25 +0200lg188(~lg188@82.18.98.230)
2024-05-19 17:56:36 +0200 <int-e> jtza8: Hmm or maybe there is no en_US locale, have you tried C.UTF-8?
2024-05-19 17:57:04 +0200 <int-e> (unlikely, but possible)
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2024-05-19 18:40:55 +0200 <jtza8> Sorry for being AFK.
2024-05-19 18:41:39 +0200 <jtza8> Here's a pastebin entry: https://paste.tomsmeding.com/EwfZ1ByG
2024-05-19 18:42:52 +0200 <jtza8> I compiled the binary "unicode" directly via ghc: (i.e. 'ghc -o unicode Main.hs')
2024-05-19 18:45:54 +0200 <monochrom> If you put it on play.haskell.org it prints 〹 successfully.
2024-05-19 18:46:39 +0200 <monochrom> But 12345 is not 12354.
2024-05-19 18:46:40 +0200 <tomsmeding> (〹 is not あ because the former is 12345 and the latter is 12354)
2024-05-19 18:46:47 +0200 <tomsmeding> yes
2024-05-19 18:46:59 +0200 <tomsmeding> "HANGZHOU NUMERAL TWENTY"
2024-05-19 18:47:07 +0200 <tomsmeding> learn something new every day
2024-05-19 18:47:09 +0200 <monochrom> 12354 yields あ successfully too on play.haskell.org
2024-05-19 18:47:54 +0200 <tomsmeding> jtza8: what is the full output of `locale`?
2024-05-19 18:48:15 +0200 <monochrom> Also works on my computer with ubuntu and pretty much default settings.
2024-05-19 18:49:06 +0200 <jtza8> monochrom: Rats. I corrected the code point, but still nothing on my end.
2024-05-19 18:49:26 +0200 <tomsmeding> (both code points are very standard unicode characters, so that should indeed not have made a difference)
2024-05-19 18:49:31 +0200ph88(~ph88@2a02:8109:9e26:c800:5ba1:c21c:6f3a:66ba)
2024-05-19 18:50:37 +0200 <monochrom> BTW 12345 vs 12354 is why you should never type in anything by hand. Use cut-and-paste. Never trust yourself. :)
2024-05-19 18:51:13 +0200 <jtza8> Too true, and that's in part why I'm using the pastebin. ;)
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2024-05-19 18:52:06 +0200 <jtza8> Still the old codepoint, but I've added the output of 'locale'. https://paste.tomsmeding.com/7YJUc3e0
2024-05-19 18:53:14 +0200 <tomsmeding> jtza8: what is the output of `sudo locale-gen`?
2024-05-19 18:53:32 +0200 <tomsmeding> this is a very standard locale, but who knows
2024-05-19 18:54:14 +0200 <monochrom> What if you don't use nix's version of GHC.
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2024-05-19 18:57:08 +0200 <int-e> AFAICS `locale` would warn if the locales were not present
2024-05-19 18:57:19 +0200 <int-e> s/locales were/locale was/
2024-05-19 18:57:53 +0200 <tomsmeding> doesn't warn for me
2024-05-19 18:58:16 +0200 <tomsmeding> oh hm, I guess it does
2024-05-19 18:58:28 +0200 <tomsmeding> but setting LC_ALL overrides everything else, which makes sense but I forgot
2024-05-19 18:59:32 +0200 <int-e> Even bash warns me: https://paste.debian.net/1317406/
2024-05-19 19:00:10 +0200 <tomsmeding> I very rarely export, I 'env LC_NUMERIC=cheese locale' :p
2024-05-19 19:00:20 +0200 <tomsmeding> but indeed bash does warn for mee too
2024-05-19 19:01:01 +0200 <int-e> tomsmeding: I... hmm, it depends on my mood. I open and close terminals very frequently, so exporting doesn't usually hurt.
2024-05-19 19:01:21 +0200 <geekosaur> the `env` is unnecessary if using a POSIXish shell
2024-05-19 19:01:31 +0200 <tomsmeding> I know but I like being explicit
2024-05-19 19:01:35 +0200 <jtza8> I've been using ghc 9.6.4 via nix-env. Undoing that for a moment exposes an older version of ghc installed via pacman. Somehow it seems like it's corrupted, that ghc can't find the Prelude module because files are missing. :|
2024-05-19 19:02:00 +0200 <tomsmeding> jtza8: try 'ghc -dynamic'
2024-05-19 19:02:27 +0200 <int-e> Ah, the Arch-nemesis.
2024-05-19 19:02:32 +0200 <monochrom> Oh, I don't mean you should use arch's ghc either. :)
2024-05-19 19:02:33 +0200 <tomsmeding> indeed
2024-05-19 19:02:44 +0200 <tomsmeding> well it is a good test if it can be gotten to work on a simple file
2024-05-19 19:02:47 +0200 <monochrom> Use ghcup's ghc.
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2024-05-19 19:02:52 +0200 <jtza8> That worked, but the binary failed to run the same way the others did.
2024-05-19 19:03:00 +0200 <tomsmeding> interesting
2024-05-19 19:03:07 +0200 <int-e> odd
2024-05-19 19:03:11 +0200 <tomsmeding> then it would indeed be good to try a ghcup ghc
2024-05-19 19:03:26 +0200 <jtza8> I'll do that now...
2024-05-19 19:03:44 +0200 <tomsmeding> if you don't want ghcup to do things to your computer that you don't want, get a binary from here https://downloads.haskell.org/~ghcup/0.1.22.0/
2024-05-19 19:03:59 +0200 <tomsmeding> then invoke that with `./ghcup install ghc`
2024-05-19 19:04:04 +0200 <int-e> I have used Arch. The ghc package is good enough to bootstrap a properly built ghc :P
2024-05-19 19:04:23 +0200 <tomsmeding> then take the `ghc-VERSION` from ~/.ghcup/bin/
2024-05-19 19:04:38 +0200 <tomsmeding> removing the binary and the ~/.ghcup folder erases all trace of ghcup then
2024-05-19 19:05:15 +0200 <int-e> (I don't know what hoops I jumped through for that... it's quite possible that I edited the ghc wrapper script to add -dynamic unconditionally.)
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2024-05-19 19:12:00 +0200 <jtza8> Interesting. The ghcup version works correctly.
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2024-05-19 19:15:39 +0200 <int-e> I wonder whether https://nixos.wiki/wiki/Locales is relevant for the Nix version.
2024-05-19 19:17:06 +0200 <jtza8> It seems that when I use nix with developPackage things work correctly too.
2024-05-19 19:20:48 +0200 <jtza8> int-e: Setting LOCALE_ARCHIVE seems to work too.
2024-05-19 19:21:35 +0200 <int-e> fascinating
2024-05-19 19:26:41 +0200 <jtza8> Now even the arch ghc is working in a new terminal environment where LOCALE_ARCHIVE wasn't set.
2024-05-19 19:27:18 +0200 <jtza8> Anyhow. Thank you all for your help.
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