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2024-05-16 02:48:36 +0200 <Axman6> IORef + atomicModifyIORef['] is actually a very useful tool for concurrent programs which also has quite good performance
2024-05-16 02:50:29 +0200 <Axman6> Hmm, I shoudl check timestamps before replying to discussions from last night =)
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2024-05-16 09:00:11 +0200 <tomsmeding> the memory model thing with IORefs indeed refers to the methods outside of the atomic* family
2024-05-16 09:00:33 +0200 <tomsmeding> atomicModifyIORef is a great building block for concurrent programs, but sometimes you need more
2024-05-16 09:00:37 +0200kuribas`(~user@2a02:1808:8:dd22:98a8:ccd5:a4c3:db95)
2024-05-16 09:01:27 +0200 <tomsmeding> in concurrency terminology, atomicModifyIORef is non-blocking, which means a certain progress guarantee for your program (as long as you don't go implementing a lock yourself using atomicModifyIORef, which is possible)
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2024-05-16 09:02:13 +0200 <tomsmeding> many concurrent algorithms can be written in a non-blocking way (there's even a theorem that "all" can, in some sense, iirc), but that's not always the most efficient or most understandable way
2024-05-16 09:02:41 +0200sord937(~sord937@gateway/tor-sasl/sord937)
2024-05-16 09:03:05 +0200 <tomsmeding> having transactions sometimes relieves you of a whole lot of trouble in designing your data structures and methods