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| 2026-06-19 15:56:19 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | mauke: traditional compilers have a meticulously hand-tuned optimisation schedule that runs a bunch of passes in a particular order |
| 2026-06-19 15:51:48 +0000 | ystael | (~ystael@user/ystael) ystael |
| 2026-06-19 15:46:08 +0000 | hiredman | (~hiredman@frontier1.downey.family) hiredman |
| 2026-06-19 15:43:01 +0000 | hiredman | (~hiredman@frontier1.downey.family) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| 2026-06-19 15:34:34 +0000 | chromoblob | (~chromoblo@user/chromob1ot1c) chromoblob\0 |
| 2026-06-19 15:34:12 +0000 | chromoblob | (~chromoblo@user/chromob1ot1c) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2026-06-19 15:22:43 +0000 | chromoblob | (~chromoblo@user/chromob1ot1c) chromoblob\0 |
| 2026-06-19 15:22:15 +0000 | AlexNoo | (~AlexNoo@178.34.163.171) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2026-06-19 15:21:48 +0000 | chromoblob | (~chromoblo@user/chromob1ot1c) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) |
| 2026-06-19 15:20:23 +0000 | L29Ah | (~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah) L29Ah |
| 2026-06-19 15:19:09 +0000 | Sgeo | (~Sgeo@user/sgeo) Sgeo |
| 2026-06-19 15:16:51 +0000 | m | (~travltux@user/travltux) travltux |
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| 2026-06-19 15:11:25 +0000 | jayanth | (~jayanth@69.249.219.205) |
| 2026-06-19 15:10:22 +0000 | vanishingideal | (~vanishing@user/vanishingideal) vanishingideal |
| 2026-06-19 15:07:17 +0000 | Googulator | (~Googulato@team.broadbit.hu) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 2026-06-19 14:56:02 +0000 | <mauke> | ah, fun |
| 2026-06-19 14:55:15 +0000 | nyc | (~nyc@user/nyc) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2026-06-19 14:52:43 +0000 | AlexNoo | (~AlexNoo@178.34.163.171) |
| 2026-06-19 14:42:55 +0000 | wootehfoot | (~wootehfoo@user/wootehfoot) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 2026-06-19 14:41:33 +0000 | CiaoSen | (~Jura@2a02:3100:6164:f000:4e50:ddff:fe9b:8922) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) |
| 2026-06-19 14:31:39 +0000 | tabaqui | (~tabaqui@167.71.80.236) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2026-06-19 14:26:21 +0000 | machinedgod | (~machinedg@d108-173-95-19.abhsia.telus.net) machinedgod |
| 2026-06-19 14:11:02 +0000 | <comerijn> | So before you know it you're trying arbitary permutations and your compiles take as long as an FPGA ;) |
| 2026-06-19 14:10:42 +0000 | <comerijn> | mauke: It's actually even worse, it's easily conceivable that some sequence of optimisation passes maybe MUCH better than others, and the fixed ordering may prevent you from ever reaching those |
| 2026-06-19 14:10:30 +0000 | lisbeths | (uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com) lisbeths |
| 2026-06-19 14:10:01 +0000 | leppard | (~noOne@ipservice-092-208-182-236.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| 2026-06-19 14:09:55 +0000 | <comerijn> | it's generally some fixed iterations that are allowed and at some point give up |
| 2026-06-19 14:09:39 +0000 | AlexNoo | (~AlexNoo@178.34.161.132) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2026-06-19 14:09:29 +0000 | Alex_delenda_est | (~al_test@178.34.161.132) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 2026-06-19 14:09:22 +0000 | <comerijn> | Not really |
| 2026-06-19 14:09:04 +0000 | AlexZenon | (~alzenon@178.34.161.132) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 2026-06-19 14:07:19 +0000 | leppard|2 | (~noOne@ipservice-092-209-218-237.092.209.pools.vodafone-ip.de) Inline |
| 2026-06-19 14:03:00 +0000 | danza | (~danza@user/danza) danza |
| 2026-06-19 14:01:12 +0000 | <mauke> | is there some clever approach to handle this sort of situation, apart from just running everything repeatedly until things calm down, hopefully? |
| 2026-06-19 14:00:24 +0000 | <mauke> | for example, constant folding can reveal the static target of a nominally dynamic jump, which can lead to more inlining, which can enable more constant folding |
| 2026-06-19 13:59:22 +0000 | prdak1 | prdak |
| 2026-06-19 13:59:12 +0000 | <mauke> | I've rediscovered something that maybe should have been obvious: optimization passes can expose more work for other optimization passes, so there is no obvious simple way to order them in general |
| 2026-06-19 13:58:37 +0000 | <mauke> | not haskell specific, but I'm going to ask here anyway |
| 2026-06-19 13:58:17 +0000 | ft | (~ft@p508db6b1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) ft |
| 2026-06-19 13:58:07 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2026-06-19 13:57:36 +0000 | comerijn | (~merijn@77.242.116.146) merijn |
| 2026-06-19 13:57:04 +0000 | prdak1 | (~Thunderbi@user/prdak) prdak |
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| 2026-06-19 13:39:50 +0000 | nyc | (~nyc@user/nyc) nyc |
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| 2026-06-19 13:26:53 +0000 | CiaoSen | (~Jura@2a02:3100:6164:f000:4e50:ddff:fe9b:8922) CiaoSen |