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| 2026-02-04 23:06:47 +0100 | <gentauro> | with regard to LEAN, I like the following explanation from Charles Hoskinson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3snIzhjqsk0 (academic papers tend to loose insights, so by providing a more formal framework, we might have better insights) |
| 2026-02-04 23:05:05 +0100 | vanishingideal | (~vanishing@user/vanishingideal) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| 2026-02-04 23:02:01 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
| 2026-02-04 22:57:25 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-02-04 22:55:54 +0100 | tromp | (~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:10a6:5d4a:b26:4065) |
| 2026-02-04 22:54:37 +0100 | target_i | (~target_i@user/target-i/x-6023099) (Quit: leaving) |
| 2026-02-04 22:52:46 +0100 | marinelli | (~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/marinelli) marinelli |
| 2026-02-04 22:52:46 +0100 | hakutaku | (~textual@user/hakutaku) hakutaku |
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| 2026-02-04 22:51:56 +0100 | <jreicher> | Better not to test in prod though, of course. |
| 2026-02-04 22:51:21 +0100 | <jreicher> | Verification by humans will never completely go away. When people die, there's general agreement the software might have done the wrong thing. |
| 2026-02-04 22:48:53 +0100 | tromp | (~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:10a6:5d4a:b26:4065) (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) |
| 2026-02-04 22:48:43 +0100 | marinelli | (~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/marinelli) (Quit: marinelli) |
| 2026-02-04 22:46:29 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
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| 2026-02-04 22:41:40 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-02-04 22:39:51 +0100 | michalz | (~michalz@185.246.207.218) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2026-02-04 22:39:48 +0100 | <monochrom> | Well, in the limit, minimize both verification by humans and synthesis by humans. We're getting there! |
| 2026-02-04 22:38:51 +0100 | <monochrom> | Industry wants to minimize proofs-by-humans. So they will take automated checks, or more recently, proofs-by-AI. |
| 2026-02-04 22:38:02 +0100 | Googulator | (~Googulato@2a01-036d-0106-216f-0081-f2ad-9e0f-9d89.pool6.digikabel.hu) |
| 2026-02-04 22:37:46 +0100 | Googulator | (~Googulato@2a01-036d-0106-216f-0081-f2ad-9e0f-9d89.pool6.digikabel.hu) (Quit: Client closed) |
| 2026-02-04 22:31:13 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 2026-02-04 22:27:37 +0100 | <jreicher> | mesaoptimizer: I don't do Haskell heavily in Emacs, but based on my experience with other languages and what I'm seeing out there I would strongly recommend eglot, regardless of the major mode you choose, and then do your own comparison of haskell-mode vs haskell-ts-mode. (My hunch is the latter is better.) |
| 2026-02-04 22:25:51 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
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| 2026-02-04 22:10:05 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
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| 2026-02-04 22:04:42 +0100 | pavonia | (~user@user/siracusa) siracusa |
| 2026-02-04 22:02:34 +0100 | AlexZenon | (~alzenon@85.174.181.199) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) |
| 2026-02-04 21:58:51 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| 2026-02-04 21:58:11 +0100 | housemate | (~housemate@202.7.248.67) housemate |
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| 2026-02-04 21:44:56 +0100 | Googulator2 | Googulator |
| 2026-02-04 21:44:15 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | perhaps that's overly reductive. But maybe the same holds for proof systems in general; industry use of formal methods seems to saturate around the point of model checking |
| 2026-02-04 21:43:13 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | systems for formalising mathematics are not very attractive to industry, I'd wager |
| 2026-02-04 21:43:00 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
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| 2026-02-04 21:28:29 +0100 | Googulator27 | (~Googulato@2a01-036d-0106-216f-0081-f2ad-9e0f-9d89.pool6.digikabel.hu) (Quit: Client closed) |