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| 2025-12-28 10:40:47 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) |
| 2025-12-28 10:39:45 +0100 | <hololeap> | really, that whole album is epic. stevie nicks has an incredible unique voice |
| 2025-12-28 10:38:02 +0100 | <hololeap> | I agree |
| 2025-12-28 10:36:53 +0100 | <Hecate> | hololeap: no you're right, let's talk about the things that matter. I love The Chain :D |
| 2025-12-28 10:35:51 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-12-28 10:24:55 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
| 2025-12-28 10:24:49 +0100 | <hololeap> | oops, wrong channel :p |
| 2025-12-28 10:23:27 +0100 | <hololeap> | I get fleetwood mac songs stuck in my head a lot, even though I only really hear them on the radio in stores and such |
| 2025-12-28 10:20:03 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
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| 2025-12-28 09:57:38 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) |
| 2025-12-28 09:52:55 +0100 | <[exa]> | I'll think about it. :D |
| 2025-12-28 09:52:41 +0100 | <[exa]> | still that ain't gonna typecheck the functions there for Apply |
| 2025-12-28 09:52:32 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-12-28 09:52:14 +0100 | <hololeap> | there's some in the monoidal-containers package if you mean making (<>) = Map.unionWith (<>) |
| 2025-12-28 09:50:49 +0100 | <[exa]> | hololeap: kinda wondering if there could be a monoid adaptor for this case, like we have with Sum... could be Keyed or so |
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| 2025-12-28 09:03:17 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
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| 2025-12-28 08:58:58 +0100 | <lambdabot> | https://hackage.haskell.org/package/quickcheck-classes -- makes it easy to verify the Apply laws |
| 2025-12-28 08:58:58 +0100 | <hololeap> | @hackage quickcheck-classes -- makes it easy to verify the Apply laws |
| 2025-12-28 08:57:06 +0100 | <hololeap> | anyway, this wasn't really a problem I needed to solve, just an exploration of ideas |
| 2025-12-28 08:56:47 +0100 | ystael | (~ystael@user/ystael) ystael |
| 2025-12-28 08:55:50 +0100 | <[exa]> | no in this case even `ap` would require the defaults |
| 2025-12-28 08:55:47 +0100 | <hololeap> | just the <*> part of Applicative |
| 2025-12-28 08:55:30 +0100 | <[exa]> | so yeah that would be a (specialized) semigroup |
| 2025-12-28 08:55:26 +0100 | <hololeap> | right, Apply is Applicative sans `pure`, |
| 2025-12-28 08:55:04 +0100 | <[exa]> | hololeap: that can't do applicative though, right? (you'd need a default function and default parameter) |
| 2025-12-28 08:54:39 +0100 | ystael | (~ystael@user/ystael) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2025-12-28 08:53:58 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| 2025-12-28 08:53:47 +0100 | <Leary> | That sounds like `Semigroup` instance instead. |
| 2025-12-28 08:53:39 +0100 | <hololeap> | though not exactly that |
| 2025-12-28 08:53:26 +0100 | <hololeap> | I was looking into an instance that would use something like Map.unionWith (<>) |
| 2025-12-28 08:51:15 +0100 | <hololeap> | mostly just out of curiosity. the current Apply instance feels very niche since it uses Map.intersectionWith under the hood |
| 2025-12-28 08:50:19 +0100 | <[exa]> | hololeap: why though (kinda curious, and also usually this has been a common instance of xyz issues) |
| 2025-12-28 08:50:04 +0100 | <hololeap> | but Apply is a class for Type -> Type |
| 2025-12-28 08:49:19 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-12-28 08:49:15 +0100 | <hololeap> | hm, ok. I was looking into a different instance of Apply for Map (different than the one defined in semigroupoids) and ultimately it requires (Ord k, Semigroup a) => Map k a |
| 2025-12-28 08:49:02 +0100 | <[exa]> | decide you want to infer which backend to use where. |
| 2025-12-28 08:49:00 +0100 | <[exa]> | iqubic: people usually have these "operation records" for various backend implementations for whatever, e.g. here: https://hackage-content.haskell.org/package/tls-2.1.13/docs/Network-TLS.html#t:Backend or here: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/selda-0.5.2.0/docs/Database-Selda-Backend.html#t:SeldaBackend . TBH quite easy to go that way, and very easy to slap on a typeclass later, in case you |