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2025-12-27 20:27:19 +0100 <pie_> <geenvoud> pie_: that'll be a certain westley weimer https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/1330017.1330019
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2025-12-27 20:22:00 +0100 <pie_> i dont suppose anyone knows who this is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfXt_Eb0ZU8
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2025-12-27 19:24:40 +0100 <sm> it is the best exemplar of the "monitor subsystems and restart them when they fail" strategy
2025-12-27 19:22:27 +0100 <sm> also, Erlang is an excellent thing to read about
2025-12-27 19:22:11 +0100 <sm> pie_ , you're on the right track - it's good to think about the kinds of errors and how you want to handle each; there are multiple error handling strategies.
2025-12-27 19:21:57 +0100 <pie_> im too dumb to reinvent the wheel, thats why im asking :>
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2025-12-27 19:20:54 +0100 <monochrom> Alterantively use Haskell's STM. :)
2025-12-27 19:19:50 +0100 <monochrom> Easier said than done, sure. That's why you outsource it to a mature relational database, rather than bothering to code up your own.
2025-12-27 19:18:41 +0100 <monochrom> That would be when an error in the middle of something causes invalid states. The solution is to undo that unfinished something.
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2025-12-27 19:17:03 +0100 <monochrom> Another scenerio is much more complex but also a solved problem so you should not re-invent the wheel. Relational databases, transactions, and the choice to rollback a transaction (because you detect an invalidity).
2025-12-27 19:14:46 +0100 <pie_> but i guess i was implicitly also thinking about things like services
2025-12-27 19:14:37 +0100 <pie_> makes sense
2025-12-27 19:14:30 +0100 <pie_> and ok for cli applications
2025-12-27 19:14:20 +0100 <pie_> like yes ive seen gui applications that pop up an exception window (for stuff thats not the failure to open a file) and let you try to continue anyway
2025-12-27 19:13:53 +0100 <pie_> but if you explain it that way, sure
2025-12-27 19:13:47 +0100 <pie_> well, its not so obvious to my puny brain
2025-12-27 19:13:15 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-12-27 19:12:07 +0100__monty__(~toonn@user/toonn) toonn
2025-12-27 19:11:54 +0100 <monochrom> But taking a step back, those are just logical conclusions of the respective specifications. The first case has already required non-interactiveness, so you can only give up. The second case has already specified a GUI, implying that you never exit unless the user tells you to. It is common sense, there is no need to read a book about it.