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| 2025-11-22 19:43:01 +0100 | machinedgod | (~machinedg@d75-159-126-101.abhsia.telus.net) machinedgod |
| 2025-11-22 19:40:06 +0100 | <EvanR> | which will be standard soon |
| 2025-11-22 19:39:52 +0100 | tzh | (~tzh@c-76-115-131-146.hsd1.or.comcast.net) tzh |
| 2025-11-22 19:39:47 +0100 | <EvanR> | halciate is how stable diffusion spells it |
| 2025-11-22 19:39:31 +0100 | Frostillicus | (~Frostilli@pool-71-174-119-69.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) |
| 2025-11-22 19:34:27 +0100 | deptype | (~deptype@2406:b400:3a:9d2f:e31c:3390:6252:c091) |
| 2025-11-22 19:33:51 +0100 | deptype | (~deptype@2406:b400:3a:9d2f:8494:f4e8:5c4a:6a4) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2025-11-22 19:32:25 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
| 2025-11-22 19:31:42 +0100 | <Franciman> | itself produced in the same way |
| 2025-11-22 19:31:33 +0100 | <Franciman> | glguy: it may be a nice word to express the concept |
| 2025-11-22 19:29:15 +0100 | Frostillicus | (~Frostilli@pool-71-174-119-69.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 2025-11-22 19:28:00 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-11-22 19:26:20 +0100 | <glguy> | I just don't know how to spell |
| 2025-11-22 19:25:46 +0100 | <int-e> | Meanwhile I'll assume that "haluciate" is proper jargon and move on. |
| 2025-11-22 19:25:21 +0100 | <enikar> | :D |
| 2025-11-22 19:24:52 +0100 | <int-e> | "AI shopping assistant" |
| 2025-11-22 19:24:31 +0100 | <glguy> | maybe an llm could haluciate one for you |
| 2025-11-22 19:24:30 +0100 | <Franciman> | we had fun, thanks |
| 2025-11-22 19:24:06 +0100 | <monochrom> | (And me, I clicked on 10 candidate books, then gave up. Sorry!) |
| 2025-11-22 19:23:31 +0100 | <monochrom> | OK Rufus says it can't find one history book with two Victors. |
| 2025-11-22 19:21:23 +0100 | jmcantrell | (~weechat@user/jmcantrell) jmcantrell |
| 2025-11-22 19:20:25 +0100 | Everything | (~Everythin@172-232-54-192.ip.linodeusercontent.com) Everything |
| 2025-11-22 19:20:03 +0100 | <Franciman> | lolol |
| 2025-11-22 19:18:58 +0100 | <monochrom> | Oh need two Victors. OK, searching... |
| 2025-11-22 19:18:37 +0100 | <Franciman> | lol |
| 2025-11-22 19:18:34 +0100 | <monochrom> | literally all of: history, won, victor |
| 2025-11-22 19:18:17 +0100 | <monochrom> | "The Second World Wars: How the First Global Conflict Was Fought and Won" Victor Davis Hanson |
| 2025-11-22 19:17:59 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2025-11-22 19:17:39 +0100 | sadeq_ir | (~sadeq_ir@5.239.173.93) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2025-11-22 19:17:35 +0100 | <Franciman> | lol |
| 2025-11-22 19:17:24 +0100 | <mreh> | aren't vectors why people chose to write Rust in the first place? |
| 2025-11-22 19:17:19 +0100 | <monochrom> | haha let me search on Amazon... |
| 2025-11-22 19:16:54 +0100 | <glguy> | That'd be fun to get a history book with two authors having the first name Victor |
| 2025-11-22 19:16:48 +0100 | sadeq_ir | (~sadeq_ir@5.239.173.93) |
| 2025-11-22 19:16:29 +0100 | <Franciman> | who is Victor who write all this stories? :P |
| 2025-11-22 19:15:55 +0100 | <monochrom> | haha |
| 2025-11-22 19:15:46 +0100 | <EvanR> | history is written by the victors, except in the US south, but that's another story |
| 2025-11-22 19:15:43 +0100 | <glguy> | monochrom: I've heard of "survivorship bias" |
| 2025-11-22 19:15:40 +0100 | <monochrom> | Even more sinister if you think about it. |
| 2025-11-22 19:15:15 +0100 | <mreh> | It's quite lucrative to follow the herd |
| 2025-11-22 19:15:01 +0100 | <monochrom> | You have heard "history is written by the victors". But have you also considered: Success stories are written by victors. |
| 2025-11-22 19:14:18 +0100 | <monochrom> | Because Ritchie and Kay are opinion leaders. Everyone wants to follow opinion leaders. |
| 2025-11-22 19:13:51 +0100 | <monochrom> | I'm sure. Of course they bought Ritchie's and Kay's opinion. |
| 2025-11-22 19:13:16 +0100 | <mauke> | I know a lot of people who would take issue with "need at least static type checking" (and calling Lisp "unsafe") |
| 2025-11-22 19:13:08 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-11-22 19:12:46 +0100 | sindu | (~sindu@2.148.32.207.tmi.telenormobil.no) |
| 2025-11-22 19:11:55 +0100 | <monochrom> | Generally the problem with opinion leaders is that their opinions work great for themselves because they are so smart. Not so great for the rest of us. |
| 2025-11-22 19:11:13 +0100 | sindu | (~sindu@2.148.32.207.tmi.telenormobil.no) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2025-11-22 19:10:59 +0100 | <monochrom> | For example, Dennis Ritchie and Alan Kay are extremely smart people, so when they say unsafe unchecked languages like C and Lisp work great for them, sure. But when they say it will also work for the rest of us because "oh-so flexible, oh-so unleash your creativity" I say no, the rest of us need at least static type checking. |
| 2025-11-22 19:09:43 +0100 | <EvanR> | if it takes 40 years to get good at writing code, maybe that's bad. And the goal is to do something to bring kids up to speed in 10 years or 5 years. But rust doesn't seem to have that in the design |