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| 2024-10-14 03:28:39 +0200 | <geekosaur> | (I will grant that Backpack was always on the losing side of that one: it requires an actual language change, it can't be simulated the way simply parameterizing modules sort-of can be) |
| 2024-10-14 03:27:31 +0200 | <geekosaur> | I specifically did not limit it to parameterization |
| 2024-10-14 03:27:05 +0200 | <geekosaur> | I didn't say either of those. I said it does not emulate ML functors. The MLish concept of functor includes first-class-ness, including local instantiation. |
| 2024-10-14 03:26:12 +0200 | <monochrom> | I don't know, here is what I think, maybe too extreme: Nevermind paramtrizing. Would this make sense: "Haskell claims to have modules, but there is no open so it doesn't count". |
| 2024-10-14 03:25:52 +0200 | <dolio> | But they are parameterized. |
| 2024-10-14 03:25:24 +0200 | <geekosaur> | let's put it this way: they're not first class if you cant' do that |
| 2024-10-14 03:25:07 +0200 | <geekosaur> | exactly |
| 2024-10-14 03:24:52 +0200 | <dolio> | It does, but you still can't only import a module in a where clause or something. |
| 2024-10-14 03:24:33 +0200 | <dolio> | I don't understand what you mean by "it doesn't." |
| 2024-10-14 03:24:27 +0200 | <monochrom> | If you instantiate Map two ways, you write two files, one per instantiation. In a third file---the user file---you import both. |
| 2024-10-14 03:24:06 +0200 | <geekosaur> | that was my point. backpack claims to add parameterized modules, but it doesn't and can't provide this so it's not anywhere near as useful as it should be |
| 2024-10-14 03:24:01 +0200 | peterbecich | (~Thunderbi@syn-047-229-123-186.res.spectrum.com) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2024-10-14 03:23:40 +0200 | <monochrom> | So with backpack you have to split code into more files than SML requires, but you can still import multiple instantiations into the same user file. |
| 2024-10-14 03:23:03 +0200 | <dolio> | Yeah. |
| 2024-10-14 03:22:34 +0200 | <monochrom> | Haskell doesn't have local open, not even for unparametrized 0th-order modules. Let's not talk about local open. |
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| 2024-10-14 03:21:42 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-10-14 03:21:33 +0200 | <dolio> | Only like, 'this module uses multiple map implementations, which happen to be two different instantiations of the same functor.' |
| 2024-10-14 03:20:48 +0200 | <geekosaur> | I thought that was what `open` was for? |
| 2024-10-14 03:20:13 +0200 | <dolio> | Like, not within a definition in a module, certainly. |
| 2024-10-14 03:19:37 +0200 | <dolio> | Oh. Well, you can parameterize the map functor multiple ways, I think. But it's not going to happen very locally. |
| 2024-10-14 03:18:46 +0200 | <geekosaur> | within the same module |
| 2024-10-14 03:18:39 +0200 | <geekosaur> | local open, I think, so you can parameteerize different maps differently? |
| 2024-10-14 03:18:33 +0200 | alexherbo2 | (~alexherbo@2a02-8440-3108-bfa0-ddfb-d52c-f0fd-2cc2.rev.sfr.net) alexherbo2 |
| 2024-10-14 03:18:04 +0200 | <dolio> | What part can't backpack do? Not that it's nice to do this. |