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2026-06-14 04:35:13 +0000 <fmlatghor> any of y'all using lean to discover new mathematics or is #lean used for that mainly these days?
2026-06-14 04:35:23 +0000 <fmlatghor> because I know there's a bunch of haskell proof helpers
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2026-06-14 08:58:09 +0000Lord_of_Life(~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915) (Excess Flood)
2026-06-14 09:00:42 +0000 <hc> This channel is not as lively as it used to be
2026-06-14 09:00:51 +0000 <hc> fmlatghor is gone already ;/
2026-06-14 09:01:17 +0000 <hc> I just read a blog post about lean and vibe coding
2026-06-14 09:02:34 +0000 <Rembane> hc: Was it a good blog post?
2026-06-14 09:03:00 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-06-14 09:03:55 +0000 <hc> Rembane: It was interesting: https://www.joachim-breitner.de/blog/819-Vibe-coding_a_debugger_for_a_DSL
2026-06-14 09:04:31 +0000 <hc> But I hadn't heard of lean before and must familiarize with it first. I've been absent from haskell for quite a while
2026-06-14 09:04:55 +0000 <Rembane> hc: Sounds like a fun thing to spend a sunday on!
2026-06-14 09:05:32 +0000 <hc> Indeed; right now I'm catching up on some type theory with the haskell unfolder video series :-)
2026-06-14 09:06:05 +0000 <hc> Must be really fun to work at a company like the one that builds lean
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2026-06-14 09:12:35 +0000 <Rembane> Exciting! :D
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2026-06-14 16:01:26 +0000vms14(~vms14@user/vms14) vms14
2026-06-14 16:02:37 +0000 <vms14> is this a functor?
2026-06-14 16:02:43 +0000 <vms14> contaminate :: (a -> b) -> IO a -> IO b
2026-06-14 16:02:45 +0000 <vms14> contaminate f x = do value <- x; pure (f value)
2026-06-14 16:02:53 +0000vanishingideal(~vanishing@user/vanishingideal) vanishingideal
2026-06-14 16:03:39 +0000 <jaror> Yes, that's the standard way IO is a functor
2026-06-14 16:03:43 +0000 <jaror> aka `fmap`
2026-06-14 16:03:45 +0000 <c_wraith> terminology-wise... no. Types are functors, not values.
2026-06-14 16:03:50 +0000 <c_wraith> but yes, that's fmap for IO
2026-06-14 16:04:15 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-06-14 16:04:17 +0000 <jaror> Categorically a functor is an action on types and an action on morphisms (which must satisfy certain laws)
2026-06-14 16:04:43 +0000 <vms14> ok then i guess i'm starting to undestand them :D
2026-06-14 16:04:51 +0000 <vms14> ty <3
2026-06-14 16:05:09 +0000 <vms14> that's my first functor
2026-06-14 16:05:18 +0000 <vms14> i like the use of pure to return impurity
2026-06-14 16:05:35 +0000maerwald(~maerwald@mail.hasufell.de) (Client Quit)
2026-06-14 16:05:42 +0000 <jaror> Note that you're kind of making a circular definitions, since `do` notation depends on already having a Functor instance
2026-06-14 16:05:59 +0000 <vms14> i didn't know how to extract the value from IO
2026-06-14 16:06:01 +0000 <c_wraith> pure in this case means "this is the thing that is neutral - it has no effects in the context of this type"
2026-06-14 16:06:42 +0000maerwald(~maerwald@mail.hasufell.de)
2026-06-14 16:06:44 +0000 <jaror> IO is kind of a bad place to start because its `Functor` instance cannot be written in user code (without digging into GHC specifics)
2026-06-14 16:08:27 +0000 <c_wraith> It's technically not circular, fwiw. It's fully possible for a type to define fmap in terms of >>= and pure. Despite the Monad instance requiring that a Functor instance exist, they are not required to have any particular direction of dependency on each other.
2026-06-14 16:08:57 +0000 <c_wraith> That's why liftM isn't deprecated, despite the AMP success
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