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2026-04-30 02:31:22 +0000 <monochrom> If you take Prolog, but remove cut, and remove the closed-world assumption (so for example you cannot talk about negation), then you get Haskell type classes, with "Stuff a => Eq a" being "Eq(A) :- Stuff(A)".
2026-04-30 02:32:26 +0000 <monochrom> Since you don't have cut, there is no way to fix up "Eq(Int). Eq(A) :- Stuff(A)." to have uniqueness.
2026-04-30 02:33:05 +0000 <monochrom> Since you don't have negation, you cannot try "if A is not Int then try Stuff(A)" either.
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2026-04-30 02:35:18 +0000 <monochrom> Why it's an open world: Separate compilation, therefore you will not be sure that Eq(Int) does not happen in some other module.
2026-04-30 02:36:26 +0000 <monochrom> Why no cut: I don't really know, but I bet it's for simplicity. (I dread thinking up Prolog code that uses cuts to ensure first-solution-only. I never get it.)
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2026-04-30 02:37:11 +0000 <monochrom> perhaps s/simplicity/KISS/
2026-04-30 02:38:00 +0000 <tccq> is there a good example / tutorial for SYB style generic usage? I want a fold over the language-c AST and would rather not write it myself
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2026-04-30 03:40:07 +0000 <jackdk> tccq Not a direct answer, but I found the original paper for uniplate pretty readable, and the ideas should get you started with the modern versions of the lib: https://archive.alvb.in/msc/02_infogp/papers/SCRAPSCARY_dk.pdf
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2026-04-30 09:09:44 +0000 <ski> type class resolution also lack backtracking. and the cut relies heavily on ordering (of clauses, of disjunctions, and conjunctions, and when unifications are performed), while Haskell type class and instance declarations are supposed to be order independent
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2026-04-30 09:13:22 +0000 <ski> hadronized : "now that I linear types, a form of value dependency to implement borrowing","linearity for correct resource management; value dependency / borrowing for correct memory usage" -- it sounds like possibly you're having some form of uniqueness, not linearity. with uniqueness, you know noone has duplicated the reference in the past, but you still can, in the future, if you're not required to return
2026-04-30 09:13:28 +0000 <ski> it unique. with linearity, you're forbidden from duplicating the reference in the future, but it might still have been duplicated in the past, before the linearity constraint was imposed on it