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2026-04-08 07:18:59 +0000 <gentauro> % concat $ Just []
2026-04-08 07:18:59 +0000 <yahb2> []
2026-04-08 07:19:06 +0000 <gentauro> % concat $ Nothing
2026-04-08 07:19:06 +0000 <yahb2> []
2026-04-08 07:22:37 +0000acidjnk_new3(~acidjnk@p200300d6e700e57180608d91043d28ce.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)
2026-04-08 07:32:53 +0000 <ski> > concat [[[],[1,2],[3,4,5]],[[6,7,8,9],[10,11,12,13,14]],[[15,16,17,18,19,20]],[]]
2026-04-08 07:32:55 +0000 <lambdabot> [[],[1,2],[3,4,5],[6,7,8,9],[10,11,12,13,14],[15,16,17,18,19,20]]
2026-04-08 07:32:57 +0000 <ski> > map concat [[[],[1,2],[3,4,5]],[[6,7,8,9],[10,11,12,13,14]],[[15,16,17,18,19,20]],[]]
2026-04-08 07:32:58 +0000 <lambdabot> [[1,2,3,4,5],[6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14],[15,16,17,18,19,20],[]]
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2026-04-08 11:14:41 +0000haritz(~hrtz@user/haritz) haritz
2026-04-08 11:15:49 +0000 <gentauro> % newtype FooBar = FooBar { foobar :: [Int] }; concatMap foobar Nothing; concatMap foobar $ Just $ FooBar []
2026-04-08 11:15:49 +0000 <yahb2> <interactive>:47:46: error: [GHC-25277] ; Parse error: module header, import declaration ; or top-level declaration expected.
2026-04-08 11:16:02 +0000 <gentauro> % newtype FooBar = FooBar { foobar :: [Int] }; concatMap foobar Nothing
2026-04-08 11:16:02 +0000 <yahb2> <interactive>:49:46: error: [GHC-25277] ; Parse error: module header, import declaration ; or top-level declaration expected.
2026-04-08 11:16:17 +0000 <gentauro> % newtype FooBar = FooBar { foobar :: [Int] }
2026-04-08 11:16:17 +0000 <yahb2> <no output>
2026-04-08 11:16:28 +0000 <gentauro> % concatMap foobar Nothing
2026-04-08 11:16:28 +0000 <yahb2> []
2026-04-08 11:16:36 +0000 <gentauro> % concatMap foobar $ Just $ FooBar []
2026-04-08 11:16:36 +0000 <yahb2> []
2026-04-08 11:16:39 +0000 <gentauro> % concatMap foobar $ Just $ FooBar [42]
2026-04-08 11:16:39 +0000 <yahb2> [42]
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2026-04-08 11:36:31 +0000 <ski> at least write `f . g $ x', rather than `f $ g $ x'
2026-04-08 11:36:56 +0000skiwould write `(f . g) x' or `f (g x)'
2026-04-08 11:40:47 +0000 <ski> (if you write `f . g . h $ x', you can (because `.' is associative, `(f . g) . h = f . (g . h)') factor out `f . g' or `g . h' or `f . g . h' into its own definition. with `f $ g $ h $ x' you can't quite as easily do that refactoring (`$' is not associative))
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2026-04-08 13:12:51 +0000 <tomsmeding> ski: on the other hand, in write-only code like something typed into ghci, the pattern "f $" is compositional, whereas with "f . g $ x" the operator to use depends on whether it's the last function to apply or any other
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2026-04-08 13:18:59 +0000skiwould simply not use `$' at all, there
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2026-04-08 13:41:40 +0000 <gentauro> ski: what's F# pipe-opeator in Haskell? I recall they ported it so you could read code from left-to-right, top-down, just like you read "plain inglés"
2026-04-08 13:41:59 +0000 <[exa]> gentauro: (&) ?
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2026-04-08 14:11:42 +0000 <ski> "plain inglés" ?
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2026-04-08 15:23:39 +0000 <gentauro> [exa]: oh yeah, that's the one -> https://hackage-content.haskell.org/package/base-4.22.0.0/docs/Data-Function.html#v:-38-
2026-04-08 15:25:19 +0000 <haskellbridge> <Bowuigi> Certified spanglish moment
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2026-04-08 15:28:37 +0000 <gentauro> Bowuigi: yes
2026-04-08 15:28:59 +0000 <gentauro> ski: likes to code one way, and I code another
2026-04-08 15:29:30 +0000 <gentauro> I wonder if it would be possible to have truly "semantic versining" in Haskell, just like `unison` has it -> «Semantic version control. Unison's version control is language-aware. There are no conflicts due to code formatting or whitespace, order of imports, order of definitions in a file, or any other differences that aren't semantically meaningful»
2026-04-08 15:29:40 +0000gentaurosource: https://www.unison-lang.org/docs/what-problems-does-unison-solve/
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2026-04-08 15:52:20 +0000 <danza> haskell already has semantic versioning, as far as i understand it. Version numbers should reflect a version's compatibility
2026-04-08 15:53:09 +0000 <danza> some languages (elm?) have the version numbers calculated automatically depending on interface changes, but that's another story
2026-04-08 15:55:25 +0000 <geekosaur> different application of "semantic": you're talking about exposed API, the usage here is code meaning whether exposed or not
2026-04-08 15:56:46 +0000 <geekosaur> the former impacts compatibility, the latter is about VCS thrashing
2026-04-08 15:58:15 +0000 <danza> oh i see. Cheers geekosaur
2026-04-08 15:59:29 +0000 <geekosaur> so for a concrete example, cabal is still using an ancient fourmolu because if/when we upgrade and reformat the code base, backports will conflict due to whitespace changes and possibly line splitting
2026-04-08 15:59:48 +0000 <geekosaur> this wouldn't happen with semantics-aware VC
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2026-04-08 16:00:25 +0000 <danza> yeah makes sense
2026-04-08 16:01:30 +0000 <danza> but having a version control tool that is language-specific sounds too demanding to me. I would rather live without the feature
2026-04-08 16:02:11 +0000 <c_wraith> the point of comparison, Unison, is an unusual one. It's not actually the version control that does that. It's the language itself.
2026-04-08 16:02:44 +0000 <c_wraith> function calls are content-addressable.
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2026-04-08 16:03:55 +0000 <c_wraith> this has its own downsides. If there's a bug in a function, fixing it means updating every place it was called by content.
2026-04-08 16:07:27 +0000 <c_wraith> It also has awkward limitations. I believe it supports alpha renaming when determining if code is "the same", but not most other trivial refactorings of the token sequence.
2026-04-08 16:08:18 +0000 <gentauro> danza: Elm has `syntactic versioning`. I think `unison` is the only one with "real" semantic versining
2026-04-08 16:08:53 +0000 <c_wraith> I understand why. The problem quickly becomes intractable. But then you start to feel the limits in a way then doesn't seem much like an actual improvement.
2026-04-08 16:09:07 +0000 <c_wraith> *that doesn't
2026-04-08 16:10:33 +0000 <c_wraith> I really think gofmt is a better solution to the same problem. And I really don't like gofmt.
2026-04-08 16:10:43 +0000 <gentauro> c_wraith: and danza I recall from a talk (example). If somebody defineds additions as `sum x y = x + y` and another person does it as `add a b = (+) a b`, then they have the same semantic versioning and would result in the same number (hash)
2026-04-08 16:11:40 +0000 <danza> well that's what c_wraith has been chatting about, content-addressing
2026-04-08 16:11:43 +0000gentauroI'm guessing they have someking of "common ground" (for the sake of the example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Bruijn_index) and that's how they can see if two snippets are the same
2026-04-08 16:12:19 +0000arandombit(~arandombi@user/arandombit) arandombit
2026-04-08 16:14:33 +0000 <raincomplex> equivalence of two programs is undecidable in general, right
2026-04-08 16:15:40 +0000 <c_wraith> yes
2026-04-08 16:16:18 +0000 <c_wraith> and even a small set of simple transformations results in a massive potential combinatoric explosion
2026-04-08 16:17:30 +0000 <c_wraith> (some things you can canonicalize away, like fully saturated prefix vs infix application. But other things aren't so easy.)
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2026-04-08 16:23:53 +0000 <gentauro> c_wraith: FP app -> de-Brujin index -> SKI -> normalize (optimal reduction/transformation): https://tromp.github.io/cl/cl.html
2026-04-08 16:24:56 +0000 <gentauro> I'm just not aware if this only work for "very simple" logic
2026-04-08 16:28:42 +0000 <c_wraith> It works decently well for structural changes, even things like pulling a subexpression into a local binding.
2026-04-08 16:29:29 +0000 <c_wraith> But it can't handle any kind of change that relies on semantic properties.
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2026-04-08 16:31:05 +0000 <c_wraith> Is a + b the same as b + a? How about a + a and 2 * a?
2026-04-08 16:31:36 +0000 <EvanR> pulls out a cross indexed table of "kinds of sameness"
2026-04-08 16:32:03 +0000 <c_wraith> oh, deMorgan's laws!
2026-04-08 16:32:33 +0000 <EvanR> definitional equality, propositional equality, etc
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2026-04-08 16:34:02 +0000 <c_wraith> It's not tractable to handle most of those equivalences in practical terms... well before you reach the undecidable cases.
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2026-04-08 17:13:12 +0000 <gentauro> c_wraith: I'm assuming that if they use the built-in operator `+` (which is commutative) well then it would be "the same". However, this will only work for very formal languages …
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2026-04-08 17:30:36 +0000 <gentauro> oh found it, IFCP 2016 (JP). Now we just add a bit of HoTT to find the equivalent paths and all good -> https://youtu.be/caSOTjr1z18?t=796 (13:16 ish)
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2026-04-08 19:59:45 +0000 <EvanR> gentauro, nice framework, very powerful (and so universal decidability of equivalences is out the window)
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