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2025-06-04 01:21:45 +0200 <EvanR> so in ghci if you try to unwrap an "existential" and print out the type of the contents, you used to get "my brain exploded", now it's a more helpful message but still doesn't work. Is this because the type information is just gone?
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2025-06-04 01:27:40 +0200 <dolio> Yes. The thing you get out of an existential has an arbitrary type that is distinct from every other type.
2025-06-04 01:28:39 +0200jmcantrell(~weechat@user/jmcantrell) jmcantrell
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2025-06-04 01:29:12 +0200 <dolio> Unless you put a constraint on it in the existential type (or similar), it has no known instances, so in particular can't be printed.
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2025-06-04 07:41:11 +0200 <dminuoso> tomsmeding: Oh okay, I think I misread that.
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2025-06-04 07:48:25 +0200 <ski> "The thing you get out of an existential has an arbitrary type that is distinct from every other type." -- it would be nice if it was printed in a distinct way from an ordinary (not explicitly quantified) (meta-variable / "logic variable") one, say maybe like `?A0' or even `A0', rather than `a' (making sure that distinct unwrappings gets their own distinct name)
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2025-06-04 07:50:30 +0200 <ski> in SML/NJ, such "bare skolems" (generated by "value restriction") are printed as `?.X1',&c. (suggesting being a(n abstract) type belonging to an unknown module)
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2025-06-04 07:53:57 +0200 <ski> (in OCaml, "value restriction" instead generates non-generalized ("bare") meta-variables, printed as '_weak1 -- and will be instantiated by the first later declaration that puts a(n equality) constraint on them)
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2025-06-04 10:35:20 +0200 <Square2> Is there a way to produce Haddock doc locally with the same style sheet / layout as the one on hackage?
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2025-06-04 10:46:02 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Morj> Square2 cabal haddock / stack haddock is not it? It generates the same style as hackage for me
2025-06-04 10:46:37 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Morj> Except that the style has changed some years ago, and some packages haven't been updated, so you're going to get the newer version for them
2025-06-04 10:46:47 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Morj> Newer version of the style
2025-06-04 10:49:31 +0200 <Square2> Morj: Sure, they're almost the same. Just thought the hackage one had larger font.
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2025-06-04 12:56:51 +0200 <Square2> Another question, I tried to google and chatgpt. Can I express a type constraint on a data type such that it only has one constructor?
2025-06-04 12:57:49 +0200merijn(~merijn@77.242.116.146) merijn
2025-06-04 12:59:39 +0200 <ski> what type constraint ?
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2025-06-04 13:02:16 +0200 <ski> do you mean (a) a constraint expressing that the constrained type (is a data type and) has only one data constructor; or (b) ensuring that some parameter of a data type will have some particular constraint; or (c) perhaps something else ?
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2025-06-04 13:04:13 +0200 <Square2> ski, that would be (a) then. Really I to accept only data types on the form "data Foo = FooConst" (name of type and constructor not important)
2025-06-04 13:04:38 +0200 <Square2> Really I only want to accept*
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2025-06-04 13:05:24 +0200 <Leary> Square2: If you impose `Generic a`, you can write a type family taking `Rep a` mapping sums to `Unsatisfiable` and all else to the empty constraint `()`.
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2025-06-04 13:06:35 +0200 <Square2> Leary, sweet
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