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| 2026-05-24 09:31:27 +0000 | <Noinia> | Hmm, I've encountered a somewhat weird issue around constraints and type families. I have some 'IsDrawable backend g' class, and I defined a 'Rendered backend' typefamily, with, in particular, Rendered (Svg model action) = [View model action] (here Svg is the backend; what View is is not very important). However, for whatever reason it seems GHC cannot resolve this 'Rendered (Svg model action)' def in a |
| 2026-05-24 09:31:33 +0000 | <Noinia> | typeclass instance; see Line 122 of https://github.com/noinia/hgeometry/blob/c12f1facde730b5daf03128f8ddb8b05db401df5/hgeometry/doc-fi… does anyone have an idea why this is the case? |
| 2026-05-24 09:32:18 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@62.45.136.136) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2026-05-24 09:33:15 +0000 | <Noinia> | (i.e. without the L122; GHC complains that it cannot deteremine that (Rendered (Svg model action)) has a Monoid constraint; that seems odd to me; since I just defined that 'Rendered (Svg model action) = [View model action])' above there (which thus has a Monoid constraint) |
| 2026-05-24 09:38:15 +0000 | emilym | (~Thunderbi@user/emilym) emilym |
| 2026-05-24 09:42:31 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | Noinia: that's odd. I tried to reproduce it very minimally but I couldn't -- I'm probably missing some essential component of your situation https://play.haskell.org/saved/nO5kBURh |
| 2026-05-24 09:42:42 +0000 | emilym | (~Thunderbi@user/emilym) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
| 2026-05-24 09:42:54 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@62.45.136.136) merijn |
| 2026-05-24 09:44:34 +0000 | <Leary> | tomsmeding: tweaked: https://play.haskell.org/saved/RyQAXNsG |
| 2026-05-24 09:45:09 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | oh! I was almost there too, just missing the a on the RHS of Rendered (Svg a) |
| 2026-05-24 09:45:17 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | turns out that occurrence is important |
| 2026-05-24 09:46:53 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | is the problem here that GHC has to infer a quanfified constraint `forall a. Monoid (Rendered (Svg a))` here and somehow it decides not to reduce the type family in that case? |
| 2026-05-24 09:47:13 +0000 | <Noinia> | yes I also made a minimal example; but somehow didn't manage to reproduce it yet that way |
| 2026-05-24 09:47:15 +0000 | <int-e> | Works with 9.0 though (after enabling FlexibleContexts). Fun! |
| 2026-05-24 09:47:31 +0000 | <Noinia> | in my actual code I now got things to work by specifying that the argument of Svg has Kind Type |
| 2026-05-24 09:47:42 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@62.45.136.136) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2026-05-24 09:47:45 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | yes, this kind of "when exactly do I expand the type family" feels like a thing that SPJ and friends have been tinkering with recently |
| 2026-05-24 09:47:48 +0000 | AlexNoo | (~AlexNoo@5.139.233.99) |
| 2026-05-24 09:48:01 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | :o |
| 2026-05-24 09:48:08 +0000 | <Noinia> | G |
| 2026-05-24 09:48:16 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | so you even need kind-polymorphism for this to faiul |
| 2026-05-24 09:48:18 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | *fail |
| 2026-05-24 09:48:36 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | oh |
| 2026-05-24 09:49:11 +0000 | <Noinia> | hmm yes apparently |
| 2026-05-24 09:49:18 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | Noinia: the `model` parameter in your IsDrawable instance declaration has any kind, but the `model` parameter in your `type instance Rendered` declaration is forced to kind Type due to being an argument to View |
| 2026-05-24 09:49:30 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | so GHC determines that your type instance is not general enough and doesn't use it |
| 2026-05-24 09:49:49 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | your explicit L122 type equality forces `model` to have kind Type (otherwise the equality doesn't kind-check) so all works |
| 2026-05-24 09:50:17 +0000 | <int-e> | https://play.haskell.org/saved/RyQAXNsG |
| 2026-05-24 09:50:22 +0000 | <int-e> | I hate this |
| 2026-05-24 09:50:51 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | that's the same link Leary pasted? |
| 2026-05-24 09:50:55 +0000 | <int-e> | (I marked this in the playground but of course it didn't make it into the X11 selection: instance IsDrawable (Svg (a :: *)) ) |
| 2026-05-24 09:51:01 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | oh haha |
| 2026-05-24 09:51:10 +0000 | <int-e> | Anyway, that makes it work. |
| 2026-05-24 09:51:21 +0000 | <int-e> | weirdly, adding :: * in the type family doesn't |
| 2026-05-24 09:51:21 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | that confirms my explanation |
| 2026-05-24 09:51:23 +0000 | <Noinia> | yes indeed; maybe in hindsight thatm akes sense |
| 2026-05-24 09:51:32 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | int-e: no, because it's the type Svg that is too general |
| 2026-05-24 09:51:50 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | so the family instance is not general enough for the class instance |
| 2026-05-24 09:52:02 +0000 | <int-e> | tomsmeding: Oh. Of course. |
| 2026-05-24 09:52:09 +0000 | AlexNoo | (~AlexNoo@5.139.233.99) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
| 2026-05-24 09:52:11 +0000 | <Noinia> | (i.e. restricting the Svg type signature to kind Type) |
| 2026-05-24 09:52:21 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | Noinia: that seems like the correct solution, yes |
| 2026-05-24 09:52:38 +0000 | DetourNe- | (~DetourNet@user/DetourNetworkUK) DetourNetworkUK |
| 2026-05-24 09:52:45 +0000 | <Noinia> | Thanks for the help! :) |
| 2026-05-24 09:52:50 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | fun, this is _very_ hard to spot if you're not aware of how the kind system works precisely |
| 2026-05-24 09:52:52 +0000 | DetourNetworkUK | (~DetourNet@user/DetourNetworkUK) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2026-05-24 09:54:54 +0000 | DetourNe- | DetourNetworkUK |
| 2026-05-24 09:56:50 +0000 | vanishingideal | (~vanishing@user/vanishingideal) vanishingideal |
| 2026-05-24 09:58:42 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@62.45.136.136) merijn |
| 2026-05-24 10:05:05 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | fun: Claude Opus cannot explain why the little reproducer fails, even when given access to GHC to test stuff. It concludes that it's a known limitation of GHC. |
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| 2026-05-24 11:08:27 +0000 | <[exa]> | tomsmeding: I love how these things are unable to say "I don't know" |
| 2026-05-24 11:08:55 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | it's not the most likely answer when you read webpages and books :) |
| 2026-05-24 11:13:25 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-05-24 11:18:22 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| 2026-05-24 11:20:02 +0000 | <[exa]> | :) |
| 2026-05-24 11:20:34 +0000 | <[exa]> | is there actually any way to annotate the type family so that the instance would know that `a` is in * ? |
| 2026-05-24 11:21:04 +0000 | <[exa]> | oh wait no, it's a different `a` than in the class |
| 2026-05-24 11:21:06 +0000 | <[exa]> | okay nvm |
| 2026-05-24 11:21:09 +0000 | <[exa]> | cool example |
| 2026-05-24 11:28:38 +0000 | <Leary> | Each token the machine generates is chosen according to a weight/probability, from which a confidence score for the entire output can be derived and warnings issued when below corresponding thresholds. |
| 2026-05-24 11:29:11 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-05-24 11:29:13 +0000 | <Leary> | Hence it can say "I don't know" even if the training data never does. I don't know why this isn't already widely done; it's probably harder than it sounds. |
| 2026-05-24 11:29:32 +0000 | weary-traveler | (~user@user/user363627) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2026-05-24 11:30:42 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | I've had that idea too, about 5 secods from hearing about the "can't say 'don't know'" problem. I think all machine learning researchers have. So the fact that people don't do it ought to mean that it's indeed hardder than it sounds :p |
| 2026-05-24 11:31:15 +0000 | <int-e> | Or, perhaps, not desirable (scores poorly in post-training with humans) |
| 2026-05-24 11:31:47 +0000 | <int-e> | But I do imagine that getting a good handle on certainty is actually hard. |
| 2026-05-24 11:32:06 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | if it was really as simple as what Leary said, then you don't need training for that, and it could be a switch in the UI, which would get a bunch of media coverage |
| 2026-05-24 11:32:28 +0000 | Alex_delenda_est | (~al_test@5.139.233.99) |
| 2026-05-24 11:33:23 +0000 | <int-e> | Oh I'm sure it's easy to get a number. The hard part is making it reflect reality ;) |
| 2026-05-24 11:33:31 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | :p |
| 2026-05-24 11:34:31 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 2026-05-24 11:35:00 +0000 | <int-e> | . o O ( What's 2+3? -- I don't know. My best guess is five. ) |
| 2026-05-24 11:46:14 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-05-24 11:49:46 +0000 | <[exa]> | I'd love exactly that kind of LLM experience ^ |
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| 2026-05-24 12:35:04 +0000 | <[exa]> | are there any good transformer helpers that would allow me to stick a MaybeT _below_ the current "top" monad? I have `StateT s (MaybeT ...) a` and want to evaluate that to `StateT s ... a`. Purpose: simulation of patternmatching with monads and rollback. |
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| 2026-05-24 12:37:35 +0000 | Square | (~Square@user/square) Square |
| 2026-05-24 12:38:21 +0000 | vanishingideal | (~vanishing@user/vanishingideal) vanishingideal |
| 2026-05-24 12:44:28 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | :t mapStateT |
| 2026-05-24 12:44:29 +0000 | <lambdabot> | (m (a, s) -> n (b, s)) -> StateT s m a -> StateT s n b |
| 2026-05-24 12:45:44 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | :t mapStateT @(MaybeT IO) @_ @_ @IO |
| 2026-05-24 12:45:46 +0000 | <lambdabot> | (MaybeT IO (w1, w2) -> IO (b, w2)) -> StateT w2 (MaybeT IO) w1 -> StateT w2 IO b |
| 2026-05-24 12:45:57 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | [exa]: using IO as a standin here because I have no free type variable to reference |
| 2026-05-24 12:46:37 +0000 | <Leary> | You won't have a state value in the `Nothing` case, though, so `n` will need to redundantly encode failure. |
| 2026-05-24 12:46:53 +0000 | <Leary> | :t mapStateT (\act -> runMaybeT act >>= maybe empty pure) |
| 2026-05-24 12:46:54 +0000 | <lambdabot> | (Monad n, Alternative n) => StateT s (MaybeT n) b -> StateT s n b |
| 2026-05-24 12:47:05 +0000 | <[exa]> | oh cool, that would work |
| 2026-05-24 12:47:16 +0000 | <[exa]> | yeah if stuff fails I'll need to fail it manually later |
| 2026-05-24 12:48:07 +0000 | <[exa]> | thanks guys |
| 2026-05-24 12:48:16 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-05-24 12:48:24 +0000 | <[exa]> | is there any chance to have this "generically" ? |
| 2026-05-24 12:48:55 +0000 | <[exa]> | imagine if someone has a different State there (or just a Reader or such) and I'd want that code to hold |
| 2026-05-24 12:49:19 +0000 | <Leary> | It's starting to sound like you want a real effect system. |
| 2026-05-24 12:50:42 +0000 | gmg | (~user@user/gehmehgeh) (Quit: Leaving) |
| 2026-05-24 12:51:08 +0000 | <Leary> | But if you're okay restricting to transformers that are functorial in the monad, you can replace `mapStateT` with a higher-order `fmap`. |
| 2026-05-24 12:51:32 +0000 | marinelli | (~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/marinelli) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2026-05-24 12:51:48 +0000 | <Leary> | (of type `(m ~> n) -> t m ~> t n`) |
| 2026-05-24 12:52:17 +0000 | morj | (~morj@user/morj) morj |
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| 2026-05-24 12:53:52 +0000 | <[exa]> | oh would that be this thing essentially? https://hackage-content.haskell.org/package/mmorph-1.2.2/docs/Control-Monad-Morph.html#t:MFunctor |
| 2026-05-24 12:56:22 +0000 | <Leary> | Yes, that's one incarnation. |
| 2026-05-24 12:58:11 +0000 | <[exa]> | ok I might just do it for the concrete case I guess, the extra packaging around is better avoided and I don't want a whole effect system, but at least I'll have a "correct-sounding" name for the thing |
| 2026-05-24 13:01:22 +0000 | segfaultfizzbuzz | (~segfaultf@157-131-220-130.fiber.dynamic.sonic.net) segfaultfizzbuzz |
| 2026-05-24 13:01:42 +0000 | <segfaultfizzbuzz> | doesn't lazy evaluation tend to conflict with amdahl's law? |
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| 2026-05-24 13:09:03 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | aren't those two orthogonal concerns? |
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| 2026-05-24 16:06:48 +0000 | <segfaultfizzbuzz> | the decision of what to evaluate needs to be coordinated across "things which execute" (threads? cores?) |
| 2026-05-24 16:07:46 +0000 | <segfaultfizzbuzz> | presumably there is some inaccuracy in the choice of what to eval, so you can't parallelize beyond that |
| 2026-05-24 16:08:19 +0000 | <segfaultfizzbuzz> | plus you need to synchronize (??) the eval decisions somehow |
| 2026-05-24 16:08:33 +0000 | Lord_of_Life | (~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915) (Excess Flood) |
| 2026-05-24 16:08:34 +0000 | <segfaultfizzbuzz> | gives me a bit of a headache to think about though |
| 2026-05-24 16:09:27 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | amdahl's "law" is just an observation about scaling behaviour in the simplified model where a piece of software neatly falls apart into two halves, one of which is sequential, the other of which is perfectly parallel on N threads |
| 2026-05-24 16:09:44 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | I still don't see the relation with evaluation strategies |
| 2026-05-24 16:10:01 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | also, the moment you depart from this simplified model, amdahl ceases to apply (directly) |
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| 2026-05-24 16:49:34 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-05-24 16:50:09 +0000 | pavonia | (~user@user/siracusa) (Quit: Bye!) |
| 2026-05-24 16:54:54 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 273 seconds) |
| 2026-05-24 17:05:32 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
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| 2026-05-24 17:27:30 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2026-05-24 17:30:36 +0000 | spew | (~spew@user/spew) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 2026-05-24 17:35:45 +0000 | tnt1 | (~Thunderbi@user/tnt1) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2026-05-24 17:38:58 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-05-24 17:43:37 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2026-05-24 17:44:56 +0000 | vanishingideal | (~vanishing@user/vanishingideal) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2026-05-24 17:47:45 +0000 | AlexNoo | (~AlexNoo@5.139.233.99) |
| 2026-05-24 17:50:03 +0000 | Lord_of_Life | (~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915) Lord_of_Life |