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2025-02-13 00:26:12 +0100 <Leary> monochrom, mauke: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/exotic-list-monads-1.1.1/docs/Control-Monad-List-Exotic.html
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2025-02-13 00:31:56 +0100 <monochrom> Excellent.
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2025-02-13 00:40:25 +0100 <haskellbridge> <magic_rb> Im really trying to understand what im looking at, the only one i understood somewhat was the mazewalk monad
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2025-02-13 00:42:35 +0100 <haskellbridge> <magic_rb> Ah the later ones are saner, odd, mini
2025-02-13 00:42:41 +0100emmanuelux(~emmanuelu@user/emmanuelux) emmanuelux
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2025-02-13 00:46:59 +0100 <monochrom> Yikes continuum of list monads.
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2025-02-13 01:37:29 +0100 <zwro> are there arguments against using -O3 in development besides longer compilation time?
2025-02-13 01:38:05 +0100 <haskellbridge> <sm> people always say it does nothing...
2025-02-13 01:38:28 +0100 <haskellbridge> <sm> but it exists for _some_ reason...
2025-02-13 01:38:47 +0100 <c_wraith> is it documented?\
2025-02-13 01:38:48 +0100 <geekosaur> yeh, my understanding is that it adds a lot to compile time but only produces speedups in some rare edge cases
2025-02-13 01:39:03 +0100 <geekosaur> it's documented, and the documentation more or less says what I just did
2025-02-13 01:39:44 +0100 <geekosaur> my conjecture is it helps for some corporate users
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2025-02-13 01:40:13 +0100 <c_wraith> https://downloads.haskell.org/ghc/latest/docs/users_guide/ghc.html#optimization-levels I suppose it's technically documented...
2025-02-13 01:43:23 +0100JuanDaughertyColinRobinson
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2025-02-13 01:47:13 +0100 <zwro> i actually meant -O2 but this was funny
2025-02-13 01:47:31 +0100califax_(~califax@user/califx) califx
2025-02-13 01:47:44 +0100 <zwro> well i guess my question goes for any optimization level
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2025-02-13 01:48:28 +0100 <zwro> i just found out that in some scheme implementations, high optimization levels turn off type checking so i thought to ask here
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2025-02-13 01:49:17 +0100 <zwro> if there was some reason i shouldn't have optimization turned on by default while developing
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2025-02-13 01:53:35 +0100 <jackdk> You'll still get typechecking but your compilation speed may be slower at higher optimisation levels
2025-02-13 01:54:02 +0100 <zwro> i know i will still get typechecking in haskell :p
2025-02-13 01:54:23 +0100 <geekosaur> it will impact profiling unless you use a sufficiently recent ghc with -fprof-late
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2025-02-13 01:55:11 +0100 <geekosaur> otherwise no, just compilation speed (and performance of the resulting program, which can be pretty bad at -O0 especially if you were relying on fusion)
2025-02-13 01:56:54 +0100 <zwro> great thanks
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2025-02-13 02:05:18 +0100 <monochrom> You can pretty much analogize ghc : O1 : O2 :: gcc : O2 : O3
2025-02-13 02:05:57 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-02-13 02:06:31 +0100 <monochrom> would be funny if GHC -Ooo turns on type checking. April 1st project!
2025-02-13 02:06:41 +0100 <monochrom> err, turns off!
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2025-02-13 02:13:26 +0100 <monochrom> Oh, maybe it means runtime type checks for scheme.
2025-02-13 02:14:26 +0100ryanbooker(uid4340@id-4340.hampstead.irccloud.com) ryanbooker
2025-02-13 02:19:02 +0100 <jackdk> monochrom: `-fdefer-type-errors` is occasionally really useful as a "just let me play with the working bits in GHCi" hammer
2025-02-13 02:19:39 +0100 <monochrom> I use that too.
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2025-02-13 05:54:53 +0100 <jle`> those are some neat monads
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2025-02-13 05:56:38 +0100 <jle`> > The join of the Odd monad is a concat of the inner lists provided there is an odd number of them, and that all of them are of odd length themselves. Otherwise (modulo cases needed for the unit laws), the result is the empty list.
2025-02-13 05:56:40 +0100 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:10: error: parse error on input ‘of’
2025-02-13 05:56:48 +0100 <jle`> sorry lambdabot
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2025-02-13 06:26:12 +0100tavare(~tavare@user/tavare) (Remote host closed the connection)
2025-02-13 06:29:26 +0100tri(~tri@ool-44c70bcb.dyn.optonline.net)
2025-02-13 06:36:19 +0100tri(~tri@ool-44c70bcb.dyn.optonline.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
2025-02-13 06:36:36 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-02-13 06:41:24 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2025-02-13 06:41:57 +0100vanishingideal(~vanishing@user/vanishingideal) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2025-02-13 06:44:00 +0100vanishingideal(~vanishing@user/vanishingideal) vanishingideal
2025-02-13 06:50:17 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-02-13 06:50:57 +0100alfiee(~alfiee@user/alfiee) alfiee
2025-02-13 06:52:22 +0100michalz(~michalz@185.246.207.203)
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2025-02-13 06:55:09 +0100JeremyB99(~JeremyB99@2607:ac80:407:7:6510:d227:edce:9484)
2025-02-13 06:55:14 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2025-02-13 07:00:00 +0100pabs3(~pabs3@user/pabs3) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2025-02-13 07:05:41 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn