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| 2026-03-22 04:38:21 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
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| 2026-03-22 04:55:39 +0000 | lbseale | (~quassel@user/ep1ctetus) (Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.) |
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| 2026-03-22 06:22:02 +0000 | raincomplex | (~rain@user/raincomplex) (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2+deb2ubuntu0.1 - https://znc.in) |
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| 2026-03-22 06:36:42 +0000 | lisbeths | (uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com) (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) |
| 2026-03-22 06:38:58 +0000 | nek0 | (~nek0@user/nek0) (Quit: The Lounge - https://thelounge.chat) |
| 2026-03-22 06:39:34 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
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| 2026-03-22 06:52:52 +0000 | krei-se | (~krei-se@p5dea1d59.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Quit: ZNC 1.9.1 - https://znc.in) |
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| 2026-03-22 06:55:53 +0000 | krei-se | (~krei-se@p5dea1d59.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) krei-se |
| 2026-03-22 06:57:59 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
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| 2026-03-22 07:02:55 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2026-03-22 07:06:59 +0000 | tt123160701978 | (~tt1231@75.185.104.199) tt1231 |
| 2026-03-22 07:09:48 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-03-22 07:09:50 +0000 | Guest12lup | (~Guest12lu@62.19.130.87) |
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| 2026-03-22 07:57:32 +0000 | haritz | (~hrtz@user/haritz) (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2+deb3.1+deb12u1 - https://znc.in) |
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| 2026-03-22 08:35:12 +0000 | AlexNoo_ | AlexNoo |
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| 2026-03-22 09:22:34 +0000 | pavonia | (~user@user/siracusa) (Quit: Bye!) |
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| 2026-03-22 11:21:28 +0000 | <mesaoptimizer> | Facebook blessed Rust as an official language, but not Haskell. FPco moved to Rust, supposedly because that's where they were getting their consulting jobs, but perhaps because of other reasons. The haskellbook author moved to working with Rust full-time and has stopped engaging with the Haskell community. This seems like a pattern, and I don't understand what the cause is. |
| 2026-03-22 11:23:00 +0000 | <haskellbridge> | <Nguyễn Trọng Cường> mesaoptimizer: Maybe Haskell suffers from some fundamental issues that these people and groups have recognized, but the community have not? |
| 2026-03-22 11:24:51 +0000 | <__monty__> | Or the Haskell community is resistant to being profitted off of? |
| 2026-03-22 11:29:21 +0000 | <mesaoptimizer> | Here's one possible reason: "I've consulted at _lots_ of companies in _lots_ of languages at my time at @FPComplete. We've seen lots of footguns introduced by "runts" in lots of languages, Haskell included. The problem with Haskell: the commonly accepted best practices make things worse, not better, in most cases. And due to Haskell's reputation, when a project goes to hell, its usually the thing |
| 2026-03-22 11:29:23 +0000 | <mesaoptimizer> | to take the blame. By contrast, if a Java project goes off the rails, "no one ever got fired for choosing Java." In other words, IMO, there's a combo of unfair blame placed on Haskell, and a very fair indictment that Haskell's culture has led towards more failures than such a great language should have. Unfortunately." https://xcancel.com/snoyberg/status/1989974511651786910#m |
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| 2026-03-22 12:46:10 +0000 | <Rembane> | Has anyone figured out what kind of best practices Snoyman is refering to? |
| 2026-03-22 12:48:47 +0000 | <__monty__> | I assume it's the general striving for abstractions? |
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| 2026-03-22 12:59:06 +0000 | <Rembane> | That seems likely coming from him. |
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| 2026-03-22 13:27:12 +0000 | <[exa]> | mesaoptimizer: rust is pop now, pop people love pop |
| 2026-03-22 13:30:59 +0000 | AlexZenon | (~alzenon@5.139.233.200) |
| 2026-03-22 13:33:56 +0000 | [_________] | (~oos95GWG@user/oos95GWG) (Quit: [_________]) |
| 2026-03-22 13:35:31 +0000 | [_________] | (~oos95GWG@user/oos95GWG) oos95GWG |
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| 2026-03-22 13:46:01 +0000 | <Rembane> | [exa]: What's a pop? |
| 2026-03-22 13:46:19 +0000 | <Clint> | popular |
| 2026-03-22 13:46:22 +0000 | <Clint> | what's a "runt"? |
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| 2026-03-22 14:03:01 +0000 | rekahsoft | (~rekahsoft@bras-base-orllon1103w-grc-20-76-67-111-168.dsl.bell.ca) rekahsoft |
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| 2026-03-22 14:04:39 +0000 | <[exa]> | yeah I meant "pop"ular |
| 2026-03-22 14:05:30 +0000 | <Rembane> | Wicked! |
| 2026-03-22 14:06:42 +0000 | <gentauro> | Rembane: Comparing to OCaml for .NET. I can follow "basic" guidelines and have a library on their official package repo in no time (deterministically and soundly inferring supported compilers). In Haskell on the other hand … |
| 2026-03-22 14:07:16 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-03-22 14:07:21 +0000 | <gentauro> | so I fully understand Snoyman here |
| 2026-03-22 14:07:40 +0000 | <gentauro> | when you work in consulting, it's simply not acceptable by any means |
| 2026-03-22 14:07:41 +0000 | <mesaoptimizer> | [exa]: I posit that there's a lot of value in trying to understand the details instead of dismissing this pattern |
| 2026-03-22 14:08:10 +0000 | <mesaoptimizer> | Clint: "runt" is a word used slightly derisively here, to refer to beginner programmers |
| 2026-03-22 14:08:28 +0000 | <gentauro> | then you add on top, that only VERY specialized people can work on projects (depending on which PRAGMAS are enabled) and that's the second red light for customers |
| 2026-03-22 14:08:48 +0000 | gentauro | you want to be able to "shop around" diff consultancies and not be "bound" to a single one |
| 2026-03-22 14:08:50 +0000 | <mesaoptimizer> | sorry, people specialize on PRAGMAs? |
| 2026-03-22 14:10:22 +0000 | <gentauro> | mesaoptimizer: there was this famous tweet (I have it bookmarked) by Edwin Brady (Idris): https://x.com/edwinbrady/status/1163816732902883329 where he made fun of projects in the sense that Haskell 90 meant there was 90 diff PRAGMA's enabled for projects |
| 2026-03-22 14:10:51 +0000 | <gentauro> | some pragmas "make sense" for most, but others are aimed for a "small subset" of people |
| 2026-03-22 14:12:14 +0000 | <gentauro> | and this is the reason companies buying consultancy fees, would rather pay for tools where you can get 100k devs too choose from |
| 2026-03-22 14:12:54 +0000 | gentauro | look up due diligence analysis and risk assessment |
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| 2026-03-22 14:17:01 +0000 | chromoblob | (~chromoblo@user/chromob1ot1c) chromoblob\0 |
| 2026-03-22 14:17:37 +0000 | <__monty__> | I highly doubt that any manager considering Haskell gets deep enough into the matter to run into GHC pragmas. |
| 2026-03-22 14:22:32 +0000 | <gentauro> | __monty__: when you submit proposals, you speak with the business, but normally, the person you need to concince (off the record) is their techies |
| 2026-03-22 14:22:39 +0000 | <gentauro> | and they DO go into details |
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| 2026-03-22 14:27:17 +0000 | <__monty__> | What I'm saying is there's plenty of reasons to dismiss Haskell before you even get that deep into it. |
| 2026-03-22 14:28:45 +0000 | <gentauro> | __monty__: Oh, missed that. But totally agree (own exp beeing on the "loosing side") |
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| 2026-03-22 14:45:05 +0000 | <mesaoptimizer> | gentauro: Edwin Brady deleted that tweet |
| 2026-03-22 14:45:09 +0000 | <mesaoptimizer> | hopefullly you archived it |
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| 2026-03-22 14:46:10 +0000 | <mesaoptimizer> | if you do not yet archive web pages, please get SingleFile. It is a very convenient and configurable extension that allows you to do one-click archival of web-pages as single *.html files. |
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| 2026-03-22 15:14:06 +0000 | <gentauro> | mesaoptimizer: Edwin Brady, as most of us, just deleted Twitter ;) |
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| 2026-03-22 15:34:37 +0000 | <mesaoptimizer> | that seems a bit irrelevant to my point but sure |
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| 2026-03-22 15:45:47 +0000 | <chromoblob> | pop is antonym for push. so you need to PUSH for things that aren't pop |
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| 2026-03-22 16:27:09 +0000 | <monochrom> | haha |
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| 2026-03-22 16:43:53 +0000 | <[exa]> | chromoblob: underrated linguistics there |
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| 2026-03-22 16:44:38 +0000 | <[exa]> | does this extend to "pushular" |
| 2026-03-22 16:44:46 +0000 | mulk | (~mulk@p5b1120ba.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) mulk |
| 2026-03-22 16:45:26 +0000 | <chromoblob> | that's why people don't use push, they are afraid of stack overflow |
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| 2026-03-22 17:37:24 +0000 | <monochrom> | Just use CPS to convert stack overflow to heap overflow! |
| 2026-03-22 17:37:53 +0000 | <monochrom> | This "is" why linguists know about continuations too. >:) |
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| 2026-03-22 19:59:40 +0000 | <gentauro> | isn't antonym to push like pull? And ditto for add and pop? |
| 2026-03-22 20:00:13 +0000 | gentauro | I have never seen anywhere on doors: "Pop the door" :-\ |
| 2026-03-22 20:01:03 +0000 | <haskellbridge> | <ijouw> You could also argue for add and (remove or subtract) |
| 2026-03-22 20:01:04 +0000 | werneta_ | (~werneta@71.83.160.242) werneta |
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| 2026-03-22 20:04:29 +0000 | <Leary> | gentauro: 'push' and 'pop' are antonymous stack operations, not general English antonyms. |
| 2026-03-22 20:05:53 +0000 | <haskellbridge> | <ijouw> I remember hearing somewhere that 'inflammable' is antonym to itsself. English antonyms are not very useful. |
| 2026-03-22 20:07:15 +0000 | <monochrom> | therefore pull = pop >:) |
| 2026-03-22 20:08:28 +0000 | <monochrom> | inflammable. noun. (1) can be set on fire. (2) cannot be set on fire. >:) |
| 2026-03-22 20:10:22 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-03-22 20:14:37 +0000 | <darkling> | It's the other way round: inflammable and flammable mean the same thing, despite in- being the usual prefix for an antonym. |
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| 2026-03-22 20:15:37 +0000 | <haskellbridge> | <ijouw> No, there are two different Latin prefixes that were borrowed as 'in-' in English. |
| 2026-03-22 20:16:34 +0000 | <haskellbridge> | <ijouw> One prefix means not, one means self. |
| 2026-03-22 20:17:02 +0000 | <darkling> | Sure. They still look the same in English, though. :) |
| 2026-03-22 20:17:40 +0000 | <haskellbridge> | <ijouw> That seems to be English's issue? |
| 2026-03-22 20:18:15 +0000 | darkling | puts fingers in ears and sings "la-la-la" loudly. |
| 2026-03-22 20:18:18 +0000 | <darkling> | ;) |
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| 2026-03-22 21:02:08 +0000 | <monochrom> | in-la-able >:) |
| 2026-03-22 21:03:28 +0000 | <monochrom> | I missed the opportunity of saying: if you pull the pull tab, you get pop. >:) |
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| 2026-03-22 21:35:06 +0000 | <jreicher> | __monty__: Rembane: mesaoptimizer: why do you think striving for abstractions has led to failures? (I'm not saying it hasn't, I'm just curious to understand how that might happen.) |
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| 2026-03-22 21:54:03 +0000 | <mesaoptimizer> | jreicher: I imagine it is like Lisp. The more expressivity you have, the easier it is for people to shoot themselves in the foot. I personally haven't encountered that issue, mainly because I care a lot about reasoning about code, but I imagine other people may be excited about the 'power' of Lisp macros or advanced typeclasses / type system features and try to use them in prod |
| 2026-03-22 21:54:38 +0000 | <mesaoptimizer> | also maybe relevant: https://discourse.haskell.org/t/hasura-migrating-to-rust/6620/47 |
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| 2026-03-22 22:11:53 +0000 | <probie> | I don't think lisp macros are a foot cannon. Things don't go wildly wrong when you use them; it's just that any project that makes extensive use of them is effectively written in its own bespoke programming language |
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| 2026-03-22 22:30:49 +0000 | <jreicher> | probie: I absolutely think Lisp macros are a footgun, but not at all because they are an abstraction; it's because they generate new code at runtime. It's not quite the same as self-modifying code, but it's close enough. |
| 2026-03-22 22:31:21 +0000 | <jreicher> | You quite literally lose static analysis capability. Even for a human. |
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| 2026-03-22 22:37:39 +0000 | Igloo | (~ian@81.2.99.210) Igfoo |
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| 2026-03-22 22:55:36 +0000 | <dpk> | jreicher: they generate new code at compile time, not at run time |
| 2026-03-22 22:56:24 +0000 | <dpk> | does anyone know if there’s a good reason why Happstack’s ServerPartT does not derive MonadMask, and if not (or if so and i promise to be very careful) what an orphan instance for it might look like? |
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| 2026-03-22 22:58:45 +0000 | czan | (~czan@user/mange) czan |
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| 2026-03-22 23:04:05 +0000 | <monochrom> | foot water pistol >:) |
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| 2026-03-22 23:15:34 +0000 | <davean> | dpk: I haven't looked but masking is dangerous in servers |
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| 2026-03-22 23:29:25 +0000 | <probie> | jreicher: I can't speak to other lisp implementations, but if you're using SBCL, just call MACROEXPAND-ALL over your file and then run static analysis over that |
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