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2026-01-07 02:40:14 +0000 <haskellbridge> <Liamzee> apparently i have no ability to assess whether DS claiming that there exists a odd move (quarter turn only) sequence that returns an edge piece to its starting location without flipping its colors
2026-01-07 02:40:35 +0000 <haskellbridge> <Liamzee> is hallucination or not
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2026-01-07 02:49:40 +0000 <mange> I don't think there is. 3x3 cubes have edge parity, from memory, so I think only even permutations bring them back. (The above linked Wikipedia page says that corners are in Z_3 and edges are in Z_2, which is consistent with my memory.)
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2026-01-07 03:00:29 +0000 <ncf> "quarter turn only"? quarter turns generate all moves, what do you mean?
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2026-01-07 03:20:02 +0000 <int-e> ncf: disallowing half turns matters if you're concerned with the number of moves you make, or just their parity, because each quarter turn is an odd permutation of the edge pieces and also an odd permutation of the corner pieces
2026-01-07 03:20:59 +0000 <int-e> (when looking at piece positions, not their orientation)
2026-01-07 03:22:37 +0000 <ncf> so an "odd move" is an odd number of quarter turns?
2026-01-07 03:23:07 +0000 <int-e> "odd move sequence"
2026-01-07 03:23:21 +0000 <int-e> it could certainly be phrased better
2026-01-07 03:23:39 +0000 <ncf> oh
2026-01-07 03:23:45 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-01-07 03:24:02 +0000 <ncf> yeah i totally failed to parse that
2026-01-07 03:24:28 +0000humasect(~humasect@dyn-192-249-132-90.nexicom.net) humasect
2026-01-07 03:26:09 +0000 <ncf> the question has a bit of a trivial answer then: a single quarter move leaves 8 edges alone
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2026-01-07 03:29:56 +0000 <ncf> requiring the edge to have moved during the sequence doesn't change anything, because you can always compose with Xⁿ, where X is a move of order n that moves every edge
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2026-01-07 03:32:23 +0000 <ncf> if you want *every* quarter turn in the sequence to move the chosen edge, then the answer should be no because every quarter turn flips the edge's orientation
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2026-01-07 09:30:18 +0000synchromesh(~john@2406:5a00:2412:2c00:4db3:269e:6459:c957) synchromesh
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2026-01-07 09:38:49 +0000gmg(~user@user/gehmehgeh) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
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2026-01-07 09:45:45 +0000newmind(~newmind@91-133-90-252.dyn.cablelink.at) (Quit: Client closed)
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2026-01-07 09:51:59 +0000haritz(~hrtz@140.228.70.141)
2026-01-07 09:51:59 +0000haritz(~hrtz@140.228.70.141) (Changing host)
2026-01-07 09:51:59 +0000haritz(~hrtz@user/haritz) haritz
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2026-01-07 10:34:11 +0000kuribas(~user@2a02:1808:e7:6af2:ff19:7bdd:9a91:1a3b) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2026-01-07 10:36:02 +0000kuribas(~user@ip-188-118-57-242.reverse.destiny.be) kuribas
2026-01-07 10:50:44 +0000oneeyedalien(~oneeyedal@user/oneeyedalien) oneeyedalien
2026-01-07 10:53:07 +0000gmg(~user@user/gehmehgeh) (Quit: Leaving)
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2026-01-07 11:10:52 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
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2026-01-07 11:14:14 +0000humasect(~humasect@dyn-192-249-132-90.nexicom.net) humasect
2026-01-07 11:17:32 +0000trickard(~trickard@cpe-50-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
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2026-01-07 11:24:31 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-01-07 11:31:49 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
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2026-01-07 11:51:49 +0000vanishingideal(~vanishing@user/vanishingideal) vanishingideal
2026-01-07 11:56:48 +0000weary-traveler(~user@user/user363627) user363627
2026-01-07 11:58:15 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
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2026-01-07 12:02:36 +0000newmind(~newmind@91-133-90-252.dyn.cablelink.at)
2026-01-07 12:05:12 +0000oneeyedalien(~oneeyedal@user/oneeyedalien) (Quit: Leaving)
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2026-01-07 12:43:13 +0000Googulator(~Googulato@2a01-036d-0106-26d0-8c1b-7e0c-a592-043c.pool6.digikabel.hu) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
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2026-01-07 12:51:43 +0000Tuplanolla(~Tuplanoll@88-114-88-95.elisa-laajakaista.fi) Tuplanolla
2026-01-07 12:56:49 +0000trickard(~trickard@cpe-50-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2026-01-07 12:57:03 +0000trickard_(~trickard@cpe-50-98-47-163.wireline.com.au)
2026-01-07 12:57:52 +0000tremon(~tremon@83.80.159.219) tremon
2026-01-07 12:58:18 +0000housemate(~housemate@202.7.247.224) (Quit: https://ineedsomeacidtocalmmedown.space/)
2026-01-07 13:05:43 +0000ljdarj1(~Thunderbi@user/ljdarj) ljdarj
2026-01-07 13:06:31 +0000ljdarj(~Thunderbi@user/ljdarj) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
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2026-01-07 13:07:34 +0000Typer_of_Terms(~Typer_of_@85.62.22.209) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2026-01-07 13:10:05 +0000trickard_(~trickard@cpe-50-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2026-01-07 13:10:18 +0000trickard_(~trickard@cpe-50-98-47-163.wireline.com.au)
2026-01-07 13:12:46 +0000trickard_(~trickard@cpe-50-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2026-01-07 13:17:28 +0000rainbyte(~rainbyte@186.22.19.214) (Remote host closed the connection)
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2026-01-07 13:24:14 +0000rainbyte(~rainbyte@186.22.19.214) rainbyte
2026-01-07 13:26:49 +0000fp(~Thunderbi@2001:708:20:1406::10c5) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2026-01-07 13:28:05 +0000fp(~Thunderbi@130.233.70.102) fp
2026-01-07 13:28:07 +0000Brumaire(~no@94.140.114.73) (Remote host closed the connection)
2026-01-07 13:32:00 +0000pavonia(~user@user/siracusa) (Quit: Bye!)
2026-01-07 13:36:27 +0000Brumaire(~no@94.140.114.73) Brumaire
2026-01-07 13:38:36 +0000synchromesh(~john@2406:5a00:2412:2c00:4db3:269e:6459:c957) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2026-01-07 13:40:02 +0000synchromesh(~john@2406:5a00:2412:2c00:4db3:269e:6459:c957) synchromesh
2026-01-07 14:01:18 +0000prite(~pritam@user/pritambaral) (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
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2026-01-07 14:26:57 +0000trickard_(~trickard@cpe-50-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
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2026-01-07 14:41:28 +0000FANTOM_(~fantom@92.40.180.43.threembb.co.uk)
2026-01-07 14:44:47 +0000kaskal(~kaskal@84-115-235-223.cable.dynamic.surfer.at) (Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in)
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2026-01-07 14:53:42 +0000ezzieyguywuf(~Unknown@user/ezzieyguywuf) ezzieyguywuf
2026-01-07 14:55:35 +0000FANTOM_(~fantom@92.40.180.43.threembb.co.uk) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2026-01-07 15:00:41 +0000machinedgod(~machinedg@d75-159-126-101.abhsia.telus.net) machinedgod
2026-01-07 15:16:15 +0000fp(~Thunderbi@130.233.70.102) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
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2026-01-07 15:29:50 +0000Square3(~Square@user/square) Square
2026-01-07 15:32:40 +0000tromp(~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:3110:dc2b:d7bb:a210) (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
2026-01-07 15:32:40 +0000polykernel(~polykerne@user/polykernel) (Remote host closed the connection)
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2026-01-07 15:43:14 +0000Typer_of_Terms(~Typer_of_@85.62.22.209) Typer_of_Terms
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2026-01-07 16:03:11 +0000tromp(~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:3110:dc2b:d7bb:a210)
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2026-01-07 16:04:52 +0000ljdarj(~Thunderbi@user/ljdarj) ljdarj
2026-01-07 16:05:36 +0000marianW(~marianW@2001:16b8:c30c:2100:2026:4f34:f630:f7a8)
2026-01-07 16:06:41 +0000polykernel(~polykerne@user/polykernel) polykernel
2026-01-07 16:06:54 +0000marianW(~marianW@2001:16b8:c30c:2100:2026:4f34:f630:f7a8) (Client Quit)
2026-01-07 16:08:44 +0000Googulator96Googulator
2026-01-07 16:10:07 +0000Typer_of_Terms(~Typer_of_@85.62.22.209) (Quit: Leaving.)
2026-01-07 16:15:51 +0000Googulator4(~Googulato@2a01-036d-0106-4994-68db-cf64-05de-a70a.pool6.digikabel.hu)
2026-01-07 16:17:43 +0000Googulator(~Googulato@2a01-036d-0106-4994-68db-cf64-05de-a70a.pool6.digikabel.hu) (Quit: Client closed)
2026-01-07 16:19:00 +0000trickard_(~trickard@cpe-50-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2026-01-07 16:19:11 +0000polykernel_(~polykerne@user/polykernel) polykernel
2026-01-07 16:19:13 +0000trickard_(~trickard@cpe-50-98-47-163.wireline.com.au)
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2026-01-07 16:30:13 +0000gmg(~user@user/gehmehgeh) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2026-01-07 16:30:44 +0000gmg(~user@user/gehmehgeh) gehmehgeh
2026-01-07 16:40:04 +0000vanishingideal(~vanishing@user/vanishingideal) vanishingideal
2026-01-07 16:43:36 +0000takuan(~takuan@d8D86B9E9.access.telenet.be) (Remote host closed the connection)
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2026-01-07 16:46:49 +0000PKDWrites(~bes@76.173.208.142) (Quit: WeeChat 4.8.1)
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2026-01-07 16:52:49 +0000peterbecich(~Thunderbi@71.84.33.135) peterbecich
2026-01-07 16:52:55 +0000vanishingideal(~vanishing@user/vanishingideal) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2026-01-07 16:56:17 +0000takuan(~takuan@d8D86B9E9.access.telenet.be) (Remote host closed the connection)
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2026-01-07 16:59:42 +0000PKDWrites(~bes@76.173.208.142) (Changing host)
2026-01-07 16:59:42 +0000PKDWrites(~bes@user/PKDWrites) PKDWrites
2026-01-07 17:02:10 +0000PKDWrites(~bes@user/PKDWrites) (Quit: WeeChat 4.8.1)
2026-01-07 17:02:49 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-01-07 17:07:27 +0000Maxdamantus(~Maxdamant@user/maxdamantus) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2026-01-07 17:07:31 +0000RSBach(~RMSBach@2603:6013:9b00:a7c8:e7e5:f272:eb86:ddf) RMSBach
2026-01-07 17:07:37 +0000RMSBach(~RMSBach@2603:6013:9b00:a7c8:e7e5:f272:eb86:ddf) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2026-01-07 17:07:42 +0000Maxdamantus(~Maxdamant@user/maxdamantus) Maxdamantus
2026-01-07 17:07:55 +0000RSBachRMSBach
2026-01-07 17:09:37 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
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2026-01-07 17:21:47 +0000takuan(~takuan@d8D86B9E9.access.telenet.be)
2026-01-07 17:23:04 +0000jmcantrell_(~weechat@user/jmcantrell) jmcantrell
2026-01-07 17:25:15 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2026-01-07 17:30:51 +0000Vizious(~bes@user/Vizious) Vizious
2026-01-07 17:35:03 +0000vanishingideal(~vanishing@user/vanishingideal) vanishingideal
2026-01-07 17:37:54 +0000m_a_r_k(~m_a_r_k@archlinux/support/mark) (Remote host closed the connection)
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2026-01-07 17:49:19 +0000tromp(~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:3110:dc2b:d7bb:a210) (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
2026-01-07 17:49:19 +0000kuribas(~user@ip-188-118-57-242.reverse.destiny.be) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
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2026-01-07 17:59:08 +0000wickedjargon(~user@207.194.126.12) wickedjargon
2026-01-07 18:00:52 +0000m_a_r_k(~m_a_r_k@archlinux/support/mark) (Remote host closed the connection)
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2026-01-07 18:02:38 +0000m_a_r_k(~m_a_r_k@archlinux/support/mark) m_a_r_k
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2026-01-07 18:16:49 +0000tromp(~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:3110:dc2b:d7bb:a210)
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2026-01-07 18:38:54 +0000vanishingideal(~vanishing@user/vanishingideal) vanishingideal
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2026-01-07 18:47:59 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-01-07 18:49:55 +0000tzh(~tzh@c-76-115-131-146.hsd1.or.comcast.net) tzh
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2026-01-07 18:56:14 +0000spew(~spew@user/spew) (Quit: nyaa~)
2026-01-07 19:00:31 +0000bgamari(~bgamari@64.223.170.198) (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in)
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2026-01-07 19:03:26 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
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2026-01-07 19:08:15 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2026-01-07 19:10:55 +0000wickedjargon(~user@207.194.126.12) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2026-01-07 19:13:19 +0000vanishingideal(~vanishing@user/vanishingideal) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2026-01-07 19:19:15 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-01-07 19:24:07 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
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2026-01-07 19:35:04 +0000merijn(~merijn@62.45.136.136) merijn
2026-01-07 19:36:33 +0000Lord_of_Life_(~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915) Lord_of_Life
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2026-01-07 19:46:28 +0000Leary(~Leary@user/Leary/x-0910699) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
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2026-01-07 23:04:40 +0000 <newmind> any interest in a claude-code clone written in haskell, i'm currently working on something that's already supporting most of claude-code's features (minus a lot of polish) and a few extra things (llm tool generation) and would love some external feedback/ideas/contributions while it's still fairly early in development
2026-01-07 23:07:40 +0000 <ncf> 1. no 2. fuck off
2026-01-07 23:08:04 +0000 <newmind> alright? sorry? mind telling me what i did wrong here?
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2026-01-07 23:16:44 +0000 <EvanR> wow
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2026-01-07 23:29:52 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> llms and ai are extremely disruptive and people have strong feelings for and against
2026-01-07 23:31:48 +0000 <newmind> certainly, and there are many ethical and societal considerations that come with that, for sure. doesn't mean they will be going away any time soon, nor that any use of them is automatically problematic though, right?
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2026-01-07 23:35:24 +0000 <mauke> doubtful
2026-01-07 23:37:21 +0000 <jreicher> newmind: it might be a bit like asking whether writing gambling software is automatically problematic. In theory, no, but...
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2026-01-07 23:40:30 +0000 <newmind> i think it would be closer to writing a game framework that can be used to create gambling software, but i get what you're saying from a certain point. especially in the commercialization of AI there's a lot going on that's "not good" to put it very mildly
2026-01-07 23:43:18 +0000 <jreicher> Well when you say a clone of "claude-code" you're already specifying the use (code). And IMO LLMs/AI are deeply (and automatically) problematic for that. I quite like them for summarising a variety of prose sources though; I think that works quite well.
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2026-01-07 23:45:07 +0000 <newmind> well, i't an attempt to reign in the most problematic parts (arbitrary command execution, uncontrolled side effects) to a certain extend by running it through polysemy/effects. it's not automatically solving all the problems while still being useful, but it gives you at least some more control over whats running, and how
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2026-01-07 23:48:34 +0000 <jreicher> Actually I should probably be more specific where code is concerned too. I strongly dislike using an agent to generate code. But using an agent for something like snippet completion is quite good; a bit like a more contextual language server.
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2026-01-07 23:52:28 +0000 <newmind> personally, i'm more accepting when it comes to actual generation: i'm fine with an LLM generating functions and even modules, but not in a unsupervised manner. the code quality itself is too low, unstructured and has a tendency to take shortcuts instead of solving problems "the right way". if you constrain the types of a function a bit though, the
2026-01-07 23:52:29 +0000 <newmind> results are actually quite usable
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2026-01-07 23:55:07 +0000 <newmind> but what i'm working on isn't really limited to coding per se. it's a TUI chat interface with an LLM backend and a set of tools that can be called (and run through polysemy, so just by the type signature you see what can even be accessed).
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2026-01-07 23:57:19 +0000 <TMA> it is a hit and miss in my experience. sometimes the result is usable or almost so, sometimes it "reasons" that it will ignore the instructions. "Do this." "Doing this is hard, let's do a simplified version instead."
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2026-01-07 23:59:46 +0000 <newmind> yeah, and then it sticks to doing something in a convoluted way instead of taking an obviously simpler, more elegant and more universal solution... in this aspect it mimics a junior dev quite realistically, just without out the "able-to-learn" parts
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