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2025-12-31 00:40:57 +0000 <gentauro> 19:03 < sm> gentauro, stack is better than ever - wasn't that a problem with haskell-language-server ?
2025-12-31 00:41:16 +0000 <gentauro> sm: I've just arrived at home after 39c3 so I have been out of the loop
2025-12-31 00:41:33 +0000 <gentauro> sm: but you say `stack` is the way (as it always have been)?
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2025-12-31 00:48:30 +0000 <EvanR> cabal is great
2025-12-31 00:52:05 +0000 <int-e> . o O ( there is no Haskell cabal )
2025-12-31 00:57:30 +0000 <geekosaur> they're equally good, it depends on what approach you prefer: solver, or pre-solved
2025-12-31 00:59:16 +0000jmcantrell_jmcantrell
2025-12-31 01:12:16 +0000omidmash5(~omidmash@user/omidmash) omidmash
2025-12-31 01:12:20 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> gentauro I'm just reassuring you re "it seems that "stack" isn't as good as it was before" - no, it's better than ever.
2025-12-31 01:13:40 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> also you linked to an issue about building HLS with GHC 9.10 using stack - that can certainly be done, but it's not automatic, projects have to provide a suitable stack config sometimes
2025-12-31 01:14:14 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> * always going to work with no config - projects have to provide that
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2025-12-31 01:14:23 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> oops, irc #noedit
2025-12-31 01:15:19 +0000mvk(~mvk@2607:fea8:5c9d:ee00::ca9c) mvk
2025-12-31 01:17:23 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> hls provides a stack.yaml but it needs updating (it uses ghc 9.8)
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2025-12-31 11:41:03 +0000 <yin> is it ok to have class constraints in newtypes?
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2025-12-31 11:42:12 +0000 <yin> newtype A a = A (C a => ...)
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2025-12-31 11:55:07 +0000 <yin> ah, i see nominal vs representational
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2025-12-31 17:06:30 +0000 <Noinia> Hmm I have some code that compiles into '<<<loop>>>' when optimziations are enabled, but seems to compile fine with -O0. Any suggestions for debugging further where the exact issue is?
2025-12-31 17:10:08 +0000 <c_wraith> that only sounds possible when a RULE is firing and the replacement it's performing is broken
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2025-12-31 17:17:32 +0000 <Noinia> hmm, I don't have any RULES defined in my project
2025-12-31 17:18:12 +0000 <Noinia> I'm wondering if this is a GHC bug; but I'm also somewhat stuck minimizing my code further
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2025-12-31 17:30:38 +0000 <gentauro> sm: sometimes I wished there was only one "good" tool (like `dune` for OCaml) and everybody used that. It would make things so much easier.
2025-12-31 17:30:54 +0000 <gentauro> However, I get the point of "competition" to ensure neither tool just lay back.
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2025-12-31 17:36:56 +0000 <geekosaur> it's also fairly limiting, though. in corporate development in particular, the stack model is likely better because it enforces preferred/known compatible versions of things
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2025-12-31 17:40:09 +0000 <geekosaur> (that said, if creating a "private hackage" were easier, cabal would probably work fairly well in that space as well)
2025-12-31 17:40:47 +0000 <geekosaur> but I suspect building one tool that supported both models well would produce something too complicated for most people
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2025-12-31 18:08:07 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> gentauro of course, we'd probably all like to have [had] a simpler haskell tools story
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2025-12-31 19:25:27 +0000 <monochrom> In principle, two programs for two models is equivalent to one program with two sets of options. The latter cannot be said to be simpler.
2025-12-31 19:26:56 +0000 <EvanR> do two things and switch between them with options and do it well
2025-12-31 19:27:30 +0000 <EvanR> is not the unix philosophy as stated but seems to defacto be the philosophy
2025-12-31 19:31:57 +0000 <monochrom> Maybe it's the Multics philosophy. >:)
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2025-12-31 21:24:57 +0000 <yin> the probem with the "one thing" philosophy is that "thing" is not well-defined
2025-12-31 21:33:21 +0000 <int-e> that's fine because you can still have a tool for each thing
2025-12-31 21:33:33 +0000yotic(~yotic@user/yotic) yotic
2025-12-31 21:33:39 +0000 <int-e> or two, or many
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2025-12-31 22:12:01 +0000 <EvanR> I think it was either albuquerque or atlanta, a billboard for "divorce lawyer and movers -- do one thing and do it well"
2025-12-31 22:13:22 +0000 <EvanR> another one locally which should have had that billboard: this place "pool tables and pools"
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2025-12-31 22:23:48 +0000 <geekosaur> now I'm reminded of a TV ad which had a pizza delivery car roll up, then the pizza sign rotated into (IIRC) a real estate agent sign
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2025-12-31 23:25:34 +0000 <monochrom> Do a pair of complementary things and do them well: Open a pastry bakery and a gym next to each other. (True story.)
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