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2025-10-04 00:48:08 +0000 <dcpagan> Does [Oleg Kiselyov](https://okmij.org/ftp/) have a GitHub?
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2025-10-04 03:13:42 +0000 <ski> dcpagan : delimited continuations can be implemented using undelimited ones and *state*, so i'm pretty sure that just having access to `callCC' (as opposed to say using `Cont',`ContT' or `Codensity') does not allow you to do the same things as `reset' and `shift'. and, afaik, Oleg does not have a GitHub account
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2025-10-04 04:09:11 +0000 <jreicher> dcpagan: my understanding is the same as ski's. You can implement callCC with delimited continuations, but I'm fairly sure the converse is not true.
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2025-10-04 08:02:18 +0000 <bwe> Parsing comma separated list with parentheses carrying another comma separated list, false-positive edge-case: comma as decimal separator: https://paste.tomsmeding.com/6fFqE1kR -- how to make the second doctest pass? I am afraid, I need to move away from fold as it sees only a single character :(. Which approach does your intuition tells you fits this case?
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2025-10-04 08:27:58 +0000 <Leary> bwe: Parser combinators?
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2025-10-04 09:37:56 +0000 <tomsmeding> yeah, either parser combinators, or iterative parsing: first recognise all numbers, then iteratively (if nesting is allowed) recognise all parenthesised blocks, then split on commas
2025-10-04 09:38:28 +0000 <tomsmeding> the iterative parsing approach feels simpler because it's more low-tech but it's also quite fragile with changes to the grammar, and it only works here because this grammar is simple enough
2025-10-04 09:38:53 +0000 <tomsmeding> you can also hand-code a state machine with your fold
2025-10-04 09:39:12 +0000 <tomsmeding> you already have a little state machine with the parenOpen state; you can have a separate boolean for "currently inside a number"
2025-10-04 09:39:23 +0000 <tomsmeding> but at that point, either formulate it really as a state machine, or use parser combinators
2025-10-04 09:39:36 +0000 <tomsmeding> bwe: ^
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2025-10-04 09:54:02 +0000 <jreicher> parenOpen is state even if the evaluation order is not defined?
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2025-10-04 12:20:19 +0000weary-traveler(~user@user/user363627) user363627
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2025-10-04 12:20:55 +0000 <Guest83> Beginner to Haskelll have experience in java
2025-10-04 12:21:07 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-10-04 12:21:13 +0000d34db33f(~d34db33f@user/d34db33f) d34db33f
2025-10-04 12:21:21 +0000 <Guest83> Tell me books for beginners
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2025-10-04 12:23:45 +0000morj(~morj@user/morj) morj
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2025-10-04 12:26:49 +0000 <Guest83> Tell me books for beginners
2025-10-04 12:26:57 +0000 <Guest83> Have experience in java
2025-10-04 12:27:07 +0000YoungFrog(~youngfrog@2a02:a03f:ca07:f900:2d5d:7f55:c7c2:f488) youngfrog
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2025-10-04 12:28:56 +0000 <morj> Guest83: https://learnyouahaskell.com/
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2025-10-04 12:30:39 +0000 <int-e> morj: have you tried that link recently?
2025-10-04 12:31:32 +0000 <morj> Just tried it, a lot of php errors on top
2025-10-04 12:31:42 +0000 <morj> Oh damn, and no styles in the content
2025-10-04 12:31:45 +0000 <morj> What happened?
2025-10-04 12:32:01 +0000eggplantade(~eggplanta@2600:1702:8450:c370:690c:d410:5426:3ca8)
2025-10-04 12:32:06 +0000 <int-e> There's a mirror: https://learnyouahaskell.github.io/
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2025-10-04 12:32:20 +0000 <yushyin> now I have closed the website I wanted to share with them for a second time because they left
2025-10-04 12:33:17 +0000 <morj> What did you want to share?
2025-10-04 12:33:20 +0000 <int-e> morj: presumably the author hosted it and is no longer interested nor contractually obligated to maintain it.
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2025-10-04 12:33:36 +0000 <int-e> @where lyah
2025-10-04 12:33:36 +0000 <lambdabot> http://www.learnyouahaskell.com/ or the slightly updated fork https://learnyouahaskell.github.io/
2025-10-04 12:34:02 +0000 <morj> I picked lyah since they were a java programmer, and lyah I find was a good way to learn functional thinking
2025-10-04 12:34:07 +0000 <yushyin> morj: https://www.extrema.is/articles/haskell-books this one
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2025-10-04 12:35:05 +0000 <n0den1te> IIRC, there was a fork of RWH updated to the latest GHC APIs? Anyone have that link handy?
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2025-10-04 12:37:32 +0000 <n0den1te> yushyin: thanks, I found the unofficial updated RWH URL from your link: https://github.com/tssm/up-to-date-real-world-haskell
2025-10-04 12:37:43 +0000 <yushyin> :D nice
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2025-10-04 12:37:47 +0000 <n0den1te> from here: https://www.extrema.is/articles/haskell-books/real-world-haskell
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2025-10-04 12:45:13 +0000 <morj> Are there any haskell communities in xmpp?
2025-10-04 12:45:33 +0000 <morj> I'm pleasantly surprised by how relatively alive they are in irc and matrix, and I want to try xmpp too
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2025-10-04 12:49:15 +0000 <n0den1te> you may find something here: https://search.jabber.network - although I don't see much activity for haskell
2025-10-04 12:49:23 +0000 <n0den1te> morj: ^
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2025-10-04 12:53:16 +0000 <morj> Russian haskell community is 1 person larger than russian programming community :D
2025-10-04 12:53:18 +0000 <ski> @where RWH
2025-10-04 12:53:18 +0000 <lambdabot> http://www.realworldhaskell.org/blog/ http://book.realworldhaskell.org/read/ https://github.com/tssm/up-to-date-real-world-haskell
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2025-10-04 12:53:41 +0000 <ski> one russian Haskeller is not a programmer ?
2025-10-04 12:54:08 +0000 <morj> They are too much of a purist I recon
2025-10-04 12:54:20 +0000 <ski> i see
2025-10-04 12:55:04 +0000 <haskellbridge> <Morj> morj: I wonder how do bridged replies look
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2025-10-04 12:55:46 +0000 <haskellbridge> <Morj> What about
2025-10-04 12:55:46 +0000 <haskellbridge> ... long message truncated: https://kf8nh.com/_heisenbridge/media/kf8nh.com/RoPvuxFMmHoNyDhaaFVTRaCP/58ySn6InjSg (3 lines)
2025-10-04 12:55:51 +0000 <morj> I see
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2025-10-04 17:02:50 +0000 <tomsmeding> morj: irc doesn't have a concept of multiline messages at all
2025-10-04 17:04:27 +0000 <haskellbridge> <Morj> Really? I had a hunch
2025-10-04 17:04:52 +0000 <haskellbridge> <Morj> So you just don't send code snippets through irc at all? (=
2025-10-04 17:05:05 +0000 <int-e> right, you use a pastebin
2025-10-04 17:05:13 +0000 <int-e> @where paste
2025-10-04 17:05:13 +0000 <lambdabot> Help us help you: please paste full code, input and/or output at e.g. https://paste.tomsmeding.com
2025-10-04 17:05:54 +0000 <haskellbridge> <Morj> If only erlang channel had all those nicities
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2025-10-04 17:27:24 +0000 <geekosaur> also any long messages, including code snippets, from the matrix bridge go into a pastebin automatically… but it's not a very good one
2025-10-04 17:27:34 +0000 <geekosaur> also media
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2025-10-04 20:07:07 +0000 <bwe> tomsmeding: true, I just need to extend it by a state that tracks whether it's currently in a number
2025-10-04 20:11:41 +0000 <bwe> Leary: I had parser combinators in mind, too; yet I had no first vague idea how to approach it with them. If you can relate a similar example to me, that would help.
2025-10-04 20:12:35 +0000 <bwe> (I mean, I define a parser that matches and just need to combine them with <|> in the right precedence, is that it?)
2025-10-04 20:13:14 +0000 <bwe> (and on a more basic note, how do I make a condition like "anything but not a digit" with Megaparsec?)
2025-10-04 20:13:46 +0000 <tomsmeding> `satisfy isDigit`?
2025-10-04 20:13:57 +0000 <tomsmeding> also `digit` probably
2025-10-04 20:15:00 +0000 <bwe> so the negation would be `anySingleBut` ?
2025-10-04 20:15:19 +0000 <tomsmeding> satisfy (not . isDigit)?
2025-10-04 20:15:31 +0000 <bwe> of course :)
2025-10-04 20:15:36 +0000 <tomsmeding> "anything but not a digit" is a double negation :p
2025-10-04 20:15:55 +0000 <tomsmeding> so I guess you were asking for `satisfy (not . not . isDigit)` :p
2025-10-04 20:16:08 +0000 <sprout> this is weirdly satisfying
2025-10-04 20:16:42 +0000 <bwe> tomsmeding: I clarify, single negation, so `satisfy (not . isDigit)` is what I need
2025-10-04 20:16:53 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-10-04 20:17:42 +0000 <bwe> is there some list of parser combinator tutorials you can recommend?
2025-10-04 20:18:01 +0000 <tomsmeding> megaparsec has an official tutorial, if I remember correctly
2025-10-04 20:18:15 +0000 <tomsmeding> I don't remember people saying it's bad, so it must be good, right?
2025-10-04 20:18:45 +0000 <bwe> the thing I am not grasping is the nesting, so using some parser combinators once I am in the parenthesis, for example
2025-10-04 20:19:59 +0000 <bwe> I need to give it another try -- the last time I tried it didn't work too well for me
2025-10-04 20:20:28 +0000 <zfnmxt> bwe: You mind find these notes a bit gentler and easier to understand (there are corresponding exercises and an assignment on the repo too): https://diku-dk.github.io/ap-notes/chapter_3.html
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2025-10-04 20:21:30 +0000 <tomsmeding> zfnmxt: thank you, please hang around more and share all your good stuffs
2025-10-04 20:22:08 +0000 <zfnmxt> bwe: Don't think the repo is directly linked there, but it's here: https://github.com/diku-dk/ap-e2025-pub (see week 3 and a3 in particular)
2025-10-04 20:22:48 +0000 <zfnmxt> tomsmeding: Most of that good stuff is written by Troels, not me. But will do.
2025-10-04 20:23:28 +0000 <tomsmeding> "your" as in, the good stuff that you know :p
2025-10-04 20:26:03 +0000 <bwe> zfnmxt: Exciting. I will start with that. It's indeed much more gentle and easier to digest/follow. Less frustration points to be expected.
2025-10-04 20:29:30 +0000 <zfnmxt> bwe: Have fun!
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2025-10-04 20:35:05 +0000 <[exa]> evenin'
2025-10-04 20:38:37 +0000 <[exa]> bwe: if I get it right, you might like the `notFollowedBy` from parsecs for solving this case; since this is PEGs getting parsed you can use the lookahead pretty well for doing good.
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2025-10-04 20:43:58 +0000 <bwe> [exa]: Yes, this would fit my case, too. Reminds me of regular expressions. But weren't parser combinators better for leaving regular expressions?
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2025-10-04 20:44:29 +0000 <[exa]> wait wait how's lookahead looking like regular expressions?
2025-10-04 20:44:43 +0000 <[exa]> (except for the cool new regular expressions that are actually not regular)
2025-10-04 20:44:46 +0000sprout🍿
2025-10-04 20:45:27 +0000dfg(~dfg@user/dfg) dfg
2025-10-04 20:46:09 +0000 <bwe> zfnmxt: I have the feeling that composing parsers is just the nesting use case I have on hand :) -- but will see when I walk through the article. Thanks again for sharing.
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2025-10-04 20:46:40 +0000 <monochrom> I feel that most beginner uses of lookahead are boolean blindness brought to parsing.
2025-10-04 20:47:32 +0000vanishingideal(~vanishing@user/vanishingideal) vanishingideal
2025-10-04 20:47:59 +0000 <monochrom> Suppose your requirement is "there are 2 cases for the next character. If it's X, parse for foo; if it's Y, parse for bar".
2025-10-04 20:48:28 +0000 <monochrom> You can easily code that up as simply "foo <|> bar" assuming that foo expects X at the beginning, similarly for Y.
2025-10-04 20:49:05 +0000 <bwe> monochrom: actually, parser combinators are like a tree that is branching, thanks for inspiring this.
2025-10-04 20:49:14 +0000 <monochrom> But no, beginners want to write "c <- lookahead; if c == 'X' then foo else if c == 'Y' then bar else error" because that's what they would write in C.
2025-10-04 20:49:39 +0000 <monochrom> (And they would write like that in C because boolean blindness.)
2025-10-04 20:50:22 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-10-04 20:51:52 +0000 <EvanR> this sort of parsing is well defined but can't be parallelized
2025-10-04 20:52:38 +0000 <bwe> [exa]: I've learned about them at a time I learned regular expressions. And I learned to avoid them (do I remember correctly that they were mostly bad for performance?). So, being burnt like that, I feel hesitant to use them in parser combinators (a reason / alternative for me not to use regexes).
2025-10-04 20:52:41 +0000 <EvanR> it seems like context free grammar could benefit from parallel
2025-10-04 20:52:51 +0000 <monochrom> (Sapir-Worf applies here. 1970s languages forces boolean blindness on you. I reckon that it is unfair to blame beginners.)
2025-10-04 20:53:39 +0000tremon(~tremon@83.80.159.219) tremon
2025-10-04 20:53:48 +0000 <EvanR> actual regular expression based parsers can be very fast
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2025-10-04 20:53:52 +0000 <monochrom> Deeply recursive CFG may overwhelm your computer if you parallelize it :)
2025-10-04 20:53:59 +0000 <[exa]> monochrom: well that use is a programming issue, they lookahead and then have to move manually :]
2025-10-04 20:54:49 +0000 <monochrom> E.g., remember last time telling cabal-install to do unlimited parallel builds caused a lot of trouble (in the form of thrashing)?
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2025-10-04 20:55:28 +0000 <EvanR> first law of parallel programming, if you just do the task N times in parallel it probably hurts
2025-10-04 20:55:59 +0000 <[exa]> bwe: yeah for regex the lookaheads are detrimental because they destroy the usual (fast) DFA/NFA-style processing. For general PEGs the lookaheads are the determining property that you can do quite easily that is not really allowed in actual context-free grammars. There are pretty fast PEG parsers where lookaheads are "essentially free"
2025-10-04 20:56:12 +0000 <[exa]> (the packrat/pika parser family)
2025-10-04 20:57:27 +0000 <monochrom> parsec and megaparsec are actually pretty good for PEG. Although independently conceived, both minimized backtracking, that's why.
2025-10-04 20:57:50 +0000 <[exa]> kinda wondering how they implement the lookaheads
2025-10-04 20:57:57 +0000[exa]dives
2025-10-04 20:58:09 +0000 <monochrom> (In the case of PEG, completely banned. In the case of *parsec, backtracking is opt-in, non-default.)
2025-10-04 21:05:50 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
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2025-10-04 21:06:37 +0000 <monochrom> "returned from deep recursion" :)
2025-10-04 21:07:34 +0000 <[exa]> ok megaparsec just backtracks, not as good as I hoped for but in the above case I guess it's valid (the lookahead ends quickly and prevents extra logic elsewhere)
2025-10-04 21:08:20 +0000 <monochrom> Whenever I teach CFG, I show this comic to students: https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/language
2025-10-04 21:10:16 +0000 <monochrom> I haven't checked, but I guess that if your lookahead is bounded-length, then you still enjoy LL(k) efficiency.
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2025-10-04 21:11:52 +0000 <monochrom> Another way to say it is you have bounded backtracking or trial-and-error so it doesn't count as the bad kind of backtracking :)
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2025-10-04 21:15:19 +0000 <[exa]> yeah but do you want to compile LL(k) manually to the state tables? :D
2025-10-04 21:15:39 +0000 <[exa]> anyway yeah the lookahead here is very bounded
2025-10-04 21:17:40 +0000 <monochrom> Yeah *parsec will do fine.
2025-10-04 21:18:40 +0000 <[exa]> I'm bookmarking that comic for lisp reasons
2025-10-04 21:18:49 +0000 <monochrom> haha
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