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2025-08-12 08:18:12 +0000 <kuribas> What's the deal with elixir, and why couldn't you do the same in haskell?
2025-08-12 08:18:26 +0000 <kuribas> I understand it is basically about having green threads, and recovering from exceptions.
2025-08-12 08:18:31 +0000 <kuribas> Also pure message passing.
2025-08-12 08:18:38 +0000 <kuribas> All these things are easy in haskell.
2025-08-12 08:18:50 +0000 <kuribas> Except for automatic recovering, but that could be in a library.
2025-08-12 08:19:47 +0000 <kuribas> I know of cloud haskell, but that seems rather complicated and limited (one binary).
2025-08-12 08:19:52 +0000rvalue(~rvalue@about/hackers/rvalue) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
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2025-08-12 08:22:54 +0000 <kuribas> I also distrust the concept of "self healing", in elixir, or microservices.
2025-08-12 08:23:06 +0000 <kuribas> It just looks like, trying again and hoping it succeeds next time.
2025-08-12 08:23:28 +0000tomboy64(~tomboy64@user/tomboy64) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2025-08-12 08:23:36 +0000 <kuribas> Which I suppose sometimes works, because some external problem like network congestion, but it will never solve a bug in the program.
2025-08-12 08:26:24 +0000tomboy64(~tomboy64@user/tomboy64) tomboy64
2025-08-12 08:27:00 +0000 <Lycurgus> unlike hs, its due to some guy, which could be a plus, runs on the Erlang vm and maybe isn static
2025-08-12 08:28:02 +0000 <Lycurgus> prolly there's a hs hater community by now
2025-08-12 08:29:01 +0000 <kuribas> I heared many positive things about erlang vm.
2025-08-12 08:29:02 +0000 <Lycurgus> (assuming 'elixir' is the lang)
2025-08-12 08:31:24 +0000 <kuribas> There are lots of haskell haters. Clojurists are the worst.
2025-08-12 08:31:48 +0000 <kuribas> Weirdly, there displeasure seems to stem from using java, but then they take it out on haskell.
2025-08-12 08:32:02 +0000 <Lycurgus> i was a clojure hater but i've accepted it as a lisp
2025-08-12 08:32:38 +0000 <kuribas> I like the ideas behind clojure, but I hate writing in it.
2025-08-12 08:32:50 +0000 <kuribas> It's so easy to hide bugs.
2025-08-12 08:32:55 +0000 <Lycurgus> hs ppl normally hate java
2025-08-12 08:33:56 +0000 <kuribas> Yeah, and the criticism seems to amount to having so much boilerplate, due to the explosion of classes, but with ADTs you don't have this.
2025-08-12 08:35:29 +0000 <kuribas> My beef is that you still end up with types in clojure, in the form of malli schemas.
2025-08-12 08:35:32 +0000 <Lycurgus> java is the COBOL of this time
2025-08-12 08:36:07 +0000 <kuribas> Java isn't bad IMO. It's better than python or nodejs for backend applications.
2025-08-12 08:36:24 +0000 <kuribas> If you avoid "no code" BS.
2025-08-12 08:37:28 +0000merijn(~merijn@77.242.116.146) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2025-08-12 08:39:41 +0000 <kuribas> And if I can code in a "functional core, imperative shell" way.
2025-08-12 08:39:46 +0000fp1(~Thunderbi@wireless-86-50-140-217.open.aalto.fi) fp
2025-08-12 08:41:26 +0000 <kuribas> And functions can mutate internally, but should be pure outwardly.
2025-08-12 08:44:04 +0000 <kuribas> Java is boilerplatey and boring, but that isn't necessarily bad in a industry setting.
2025-08-12 08:45:04 +0000 <kuribas> I think python is a huge mistake for anything that isn't a quick script, or a research project.
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2025-08-12 18:24:36 +0000SlackCoder(~SlackCode@64-94-63-8.ip.weststar.net.ky) (Client Quit)
2025-08-12 18:31:14 +0000jmcantrell(~weechat@user/jmcantrell) jmcantrell
2025-08-12 18:32:19 +0000machinedgod(~machinedg@d75-159-126-101.abhsia.telus.net) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2025-08-12 18:46:24 +0000jmcantrell(~weechat@user/jmcantrell) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-08-12 18:46:45 +0000michalz(~michalz@185.246.207.217) (Remote host closed the connection)
2025-08-12 18:48:36 +0000jmcantrell(~weechat@user/jmcantrell) jmcantrell
2025-08-12 19:00:02 +0000caconym747(~caconym@user/caconym) (Quit: bye)
2025-08-12 19:00:04 +0000ft(~ft@p508db82b.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2025-08-12 19:00:43 +0000caconym747(~caconym@user/caconym) caconym
2025-08-12 19:01:20 +0000ft(~ft@p4fc2aa9f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) ft
2025-08-12 19:06:55 +0000tccq(~user@user/tccq) tccq
2025-08-12 19:07:03 +0000jespada_(~jespada@2800:a4:2276:cf00:b488:502d:af3f:426d) jespada
2025-08-12 19:08:10 +0000tromp(~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:ad02:3d09:c5b5:9908)
2025-08-12 19:08:35 +0000tccq(~user@user/tccq) (Client Quit)
2025-08-12 19:09:16 +0000jespada(~jespada@2800:a4:2276:cf00:f556:c198:b7ff:e1b2) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2025-08-12 19:19:03 +0000Unicorn_Princess(~Unicorn_P@user/Unicorn-Princess/x-3540542) (Remote host closed the connection)
2025-08-12 19:21:57 +0000olivial(~benjaminl@user/benjaminl) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2025-08-12 19:23:33 +0000acidjnk(~acidjnk@p200300d6e7171996546b19bac1316c06.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2025-08-12 19:27:49 +0000pavonia(~user@user/siracusa) siracusa
2025-08-12 19:28:09 +0000sord937(~sord937@gateway/tor-sasl/sord937) (Quit: sord937)
2025-08-12 19:30:56 +0000olivial(~benjaminl@user/benjaminl) benjaminl
2025-08-12 19:46:10 +0000trickard(~trickard@cpe-51-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-08-12 19:46:24 +0000trickard_(~trickard@cpe-51-98-47-163.wireline.com.au)
2025-08-12 19:48:57 +0000bitdex(~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2025-08-12 19:53:03 +0000acidjnk(~acidjnk@p200300d6e7171939f113a737e8163cf1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) acidjnk
2025-08-12 20:00:13 +0000ttybitnik(~ttybitnik@user/wolper) (Remote host closed the connection)
2025-08-12 20:00:58 +0000Square(~Square4@user/square) Square
2025-08-12 20:02:20 +0000internatetional(~nate@119.2.52.184) internatetional
2025-08-12 20:04:31 +0000Square2(~Square@user/square) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2025-08-12 20:13:29 +0000bitdex(~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex) bitdex
2025-08-12 20:14:05 +0000target_i(~target_i@user/target-i/x-6023099) target_i
2025-08-12 20:14:17 +0000takuan(~takuan@d8D86B9E9.access.telenet.be) (Remote host closed the connection)
2025-08-12 20:45:04 +0000karenw_(~karenw@user/karenw) karenw
2025-08-12 20:47:03 +0000lbseale(~quassel@user/ep1ctetus) ep1ctetus
2025-08-12 20:57:20 +0000tromp(~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:ad02:3d09:c5b5:9908) (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
2025-08-12 20:57:49 +0000tessier(~tessier@ec2-184-72-149-67.compute-1.amazonaws.com) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2025-08-12 20:58:46 +0000tessier(~tessier@ec2-184-72-149-67.compute-1.amazonaws.com) tessier
2025-08-12 21:01:41 +0000tromp(~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:ad02:3d09:c5b5:9908)
2025-08-12 21:10:13 +0000jackdk(uid373013@cssa/life/jackdk) jackdk
2025-08-12 21:11:50 +0000tromp(~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:ad02:3d09:c5b5:9908) (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
2025-08-12 21:18:33 +0000bsima1(9d7e39c8ad@2a03:6000:1812:100::dd) (Server closed connection)
2025-08-12 21:18:39 +0000bsima1(9d7e39c8ad@2a03:6000:1812:100::dd)
2025-08-12 21:37:33 +0000hiredman(~hiredman@frontier1.downey.family) (Quit: leaving)
2025-08-12 21:37:56 +0000target_i(~target_i@user/target-i/x-6023099) (Quit: leaving)
2025-08-12 21:42:10 +0000trickard_(~trickard@cpe-51-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-08-12 21:42:24 +0000trickard_(~trickard@cpe-51-98-47-163.wireline.com.au)
2025-08-12 21:43:34 +0000gmg(~user@user/gehmehgeh) (Quit: Leaving)
2025-08-12 21:51:51 +0000trickard_trickard
2025-08-12 21:53:42 +0000ttybitnik(~ttybitnik@user/wolper) ttybitnik
2025-08-12 21:56:31 +0000hsw(~hsw@112-104-9-97.adsl.dynamic.seed.net.tw) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-08-12 21:56:51 +0000hsw(~hsw@112-104-9-97.adsl.dynamic.seed.net.tw) hsw
2025-08-12 22:03:32 +0000dhil(~dhil@5.151.29.137) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2025-08-12 22:09:04 +0000hiredman(~hiredman@frontier1.downey.family) hiredman
2025-08-12 22:15:42 +0000internatetional(~nate@119.2.52.184) (Remote host closed the connection)
2025-08-12 22:19:49 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-08-12 22:24:31 +0000euphores(~SASL_euph@user/euphores) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2025-08-12 22:24:32 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2025-08-12 22:26:30 +0000hiredman(~hiredman@frontier1.downey.family) (Remote host closed the connection)
2025-08-12 22:27:13 +0000hiredman(~hiredman@frontier1.downey.family) hiredman
2025-08-12 22:35:18 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-08-12 22:39:49 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2025-08-12 22:44:56 +0000Leary(~Leary@user/Leary/x-0910699) (Remote host closed the connection)
2025-08-12 22:48:41 +0000Leary(~Leary@user/Leary/x-0910699) Leary
2025-08-12 22:50:12 +0000trickard(~trickard@cpe-51-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2025-08-12 22:50:33 +0000trickard_(~trickard@cpe-51-98-47-163.wireline.com.au)
2025-08-12 22:50:40 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-08-12 22:55:27 +0000trickard_(~trickard@cpe-51-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-08-12 22:55:28 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2025-08-12 23:01:07 +0000machinedgod(~machinedg@d75-159-126-101.abhsia.telus.net) machinedgod
2025-08-12 23:01:26 +0000trickard_(~trickard@cpe-51-98-47-163.wireline.com.au)
2025-08-12 23:03:22 +0000javran(~javran@c-24-6-38-24.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
2025-08-12 23:06:04 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-08-12 23:10:24 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-08-12 23:18:47 +0000davidlbowman(~dlb@user/davidlbowman) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2025-08-12 23:21:27 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-08-12 23:26:41 +0000rvalue(~rvalue@about/hackers/rvalue) (Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in)
2025-08-12 23:28:25 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2025-08-12 23:31:02 +0000Sgeo(~Sgeo@user/sgeo) Sgeo
2025-08-12 23:36:34 +0000acidjnk(~acidjnk@p200300d6e7171939f113a737e8163cf1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2025-08-12 23:37:17 +0000sprotte24(~sprotte24@p200300d16f335500ddf4214cf32ee9c4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Quit: Leaving)
2025-08-12 23:38:35 +0000fgarcia_(~lei@user/fgarcia) fgarcia
2025-08-12 23:39:17 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-08-12 23:40:06 +0000fgarcia(~lei@user/fgarcia) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-08-12 23:43:52 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2025-08-12 23:45:03 +0000rvalue(~rvalue@about/hackers/rvalue) rvalue
2025-08-12 23:47:08 +0000trickard_(~trickard@cpe-51-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-08-12 23:47:22 +0000trickard_(~trickard@cpe-51-98-47-163.wireline.com.au)
2025-08-12 23:49:38 +0000Tuplanolla(~Tuplanoll@91-159-69-59.elisa-laajakaista.fi) Tuplanolla
2025-08-12 23:54:46 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn