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2025-07-07 01:17:46 +0000 <JayKobe6k> Hello everyone. Is there a name for a traverse type that constrains the kind of the f result to Monad instead of just Applicative?
2025-07-07 01:19:52 +0000 <EvanR> traverse specialized to Monad will not work for you?
2025-07-07 01:20:04 +0000 <EvanR> since any Monad is an applicative
2025-07-07 01:21:15 +0000 <JayKobe6k> No, because in order to define a traverse instance it has to work for all applicative
2025-07-07 01:21:49 +0000 <JayKobe6k> I have a scenario where I have a structure that has (what I think is) a valid traverse instance, but only when you have a Monad
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2025-07-07 01:25:40 +0000 <Axman6> Want to share the code?
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2025-07-07 01:27:03 +0000 <Axman6> traverse doesn't need anything Monad offers, so I'd be surprised if it can't be written using just Applicative
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2025-07-07 01:30:31 +0000 <JayKobe6k> Give me a minute to convert it in to haskell.. I'm working in scala (technical constraints... what I'm making has to run on the jvm)
2025-07-07 01:30:58 +0000 <geekosaur> something to consider is that before `traverse` there was `mapM`
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2025-07-07 01:32:12 +0000 <JayKobe6k> I'm trying to write a scripting language using recursion schemes and need to model while loops and conditionals. And to do so the traversal needs to behave differently depending on the result of a predicate expression, which to me implies that it needs monad
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2025-07-07 01:43:37 +0000 <JayKobe6k> https://gist.github.com/Jacoby6000/c9b6dedd7043933e5b5ca1199857b61b There's also an issue where I need to somehow get to a bool from the `a` on the predicates. I was planning on doing some dirty java code to work around that.
2025-07-07 01:44:39 +0000 <JayKobe6k> This is very much a work in progress. Little things are still being worked on, like invocations will be modeled as App a a eventually. Just slowly working up to that. My current hand-rolled interpreter wouldn't support it
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2025-07-07 01:47:24 +0000 <JayKobe6k> Lines 26 and 27 are the ones in question in that gist
2025-07-07 01:47:41 +0000 <JayKobe6k> With a monad I can use ifM and whileM
2025-07-07 01:48:09 +0000 <JayKobe6k> Kind of thinking I'll just have to write my own specialized recursion stuff for this
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2025-07-07 01:53:02 +0000 <JayKobe6k> I think I need selective functors https://simonmar.github.io/slides/Selective%20Applicative%20Functors%20%28Copenhagen%20April%20201…
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2025-07-07 01:54:43 +0000 <geekosaur> https://hackage.haskell.org/package/selective
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2025-07-07 02:18:08 +0000 <Leary> JayKobe6k: Whether you're using `Applicative`, `Selective` or `Monad`, that's not going to work out---you need to `f` /all/ of your `a`s equally or you won't have the `b`s to rebuild the data. Your language's control logic really shouldn't have any bearing on the `Traversable` instance anyway, put that in a fold or `hylo` or whatever.
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2025-07-07 02:20:45 +0000 <JayKobe6k> How would I write that in to a fold? I'm not super familiar with the unfold side of things, but afaiu there's no way to do conditional branching in a fold because the subtrees are all evaluated by the time I get to choose which branch I want
2025-07-07 02:21:58 +0000 <Leary> I assume scala supports some form of opt-in laziness.
2025-07-07 02:22:11 +0000 <JayKobe6k> Ah I see
2025-07-07 02:22:11 +0000 <Leary> Like using `() -> a` instead of `a`.
2025-07-07 02:23:02 +0000 <JayKobe6k> The typeclass lib I'm using provides an Eval a to model laziness in a nice way. I'll probably use that. Thanks for the recommendation!
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2025-07-07 04:00:44 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2025-07-07 04:01:42 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-07-07 04:01:47 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37
2025-07-07 04:04:37 +0000dtman34(~dtman34@2601:447:d182:6512:c2f9:c3a:b83d:6490) (Client Quit)
2025-07-07 04:08:54 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2025-07-07 04:09:06 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-07-07 04:10:49 +0000Frostillicus(~Frostilli@pool-71-174-119-69.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2025-07-07 04:12:20 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37
2025-07-07 04:17:34 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-07-07 04:21:58 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37
2025-07-07 04:22:23 +0000machinedgod(~machinedg@d75-159-126-101.abhsia.telus.net) machinedgod
2025-07-07 04:23:19 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-07-07 04:24:20 +0000dtman34(~dtman34@c-73-242-68-179.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) dtman34
2025-07-07 04:27:51 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37
2025-07-07 04:31:12 +0000dtman34(~dtman34@c-73-242-68-179.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2+deb3.1+deb12u1 - https://znc.in)
2025-07-07 04:32:27 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-07-07 04:37:37 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37
2025-07-07 04:38:53 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-07-07 04:42:39 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37
2025-07-07 04:46:26 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-07-07 04:49:50 +0000dtman34(~dtman34@2601:447:d182:6512:c2f9:c3a:b83d:6490) dtman34
2025-07-07 04:51:42 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37
2025-07-07 04:52:37 +0000aaronv_(~aaronv@user/aaronv) aaronv
2025-07-07 04:53:15 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-07-07 04:55:57 +0000peterbecich(~Thunderbi@syn-047-229-123-186.res.spectrum.com) peterbecich
2025-07-07 04:57:59 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37
2025-07-07 04:59:31 +0000dtman34(~dtman34@2601:447:d182:6512:c2f9:c3a:b83d:6490) (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2+deb3.1+deb12u1 - https://znc.in)
2025-07-07 05:02:26 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-07-07 05:05:56 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37
2025-07-07 05:07:04 +0000weary-traveler(~user@user/user363627) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2025-07-07 05:08:13 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-07-07 05:13:51 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-07-07 05:15:54 +0000weary-traveler(~user@user/user363627) user363627
2025-07-07 05:17:13 +0000dtman34(~dtman34@2601:447:d182:6512:c2f9:c3a:b83d:6490) dtman34
2025-07-07 05:18:19 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2025-07-07 05:28:05 +0000prdak(~Thunderbi@user/prdak) prdak
2025-07-07 05:30:39 +0000aaronv__(~aaronv@user/aaronv) aaronv
2025-07-07 05:31:03 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37
2025-07-07 05:32:04 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-07-07 05:32:54 +0000prdak(~Thunderbi@user/prdak) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2025-07-07 05:33:37 +0000aaronv_(~aaronv@user/aaronv) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2025-07-07 05:35:25 +0000dtman34(~dtman34@2601:447:d182:6512:c2f9:c3a:b83d:6490) (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2+deb3.1+deb12u1 - https://znc.in)
2025-07-07 05:35:58 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-07-07 05:36:59 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2025-07-07 05:39:10 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37
2025-07-07 05:39:31 +0000caubert(~caubert@user/caubert) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-07-07 05:39:52 +0000peterbecich(~Thunderbi@syn-047-229-123-186.res.spectrum.com) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2025-07-07 05:45:56 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-07-07 05:48:23 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-07-07 05:52:49 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2025-07-07 05:53:00 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37
2025-07-07 05:55:22 +0000caubert(~caubert@user/caubert) caubert
2025-07-07 05:56:54 +0000takuan(~takuan@d8D86B9E9.access.telenet.be)
2025-07-07 05:59:35 +0000takuan_dozo(~takuan@d8D86B9E9.access.telenet.be)
2025-07-07 05:59:35 +0000takuan(~takuan@d8D86B9E9.access.telenet.be) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-07-07 06:00:50 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-07-07 06:02:01 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37
2025-07-07 06:02:02 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-07-07 06:03:27 +0000tzh(~tzh@c-76-115-131-146.hsd1.or.comcast.net) (Quit: zzz)
2025-07-07 06:04:10 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-07-07 06:05:23 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37
2025-07-07 06:08:31 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-07-07 06:08:44 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2025-07-07 06:12:31 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37
2025-07-07 06:12:34 +0000aaronv__(~aaronv@user/aaronv) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2025-07-07 06:13:09 +0000caubert(~caubert@user/caubert) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2025-07-07 06:14:50 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-07-07 06:17:47 +0000wootehfoot(~wootehfoo@user/wootehfoot) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-07-07 06:18:11 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-07-07 06:21:37 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
2025-07-07 06:23:04 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37
2025-07-07 06:26:03 +0000caubert(~caubert@user/caubert) caubert
2025-07-07 06:26:10 +0000humasect(~humasect@dyn-192-249-132-90.nexicom.net) humasect
2025-07-07 06:27:31 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-07-07 06:34:51 +0000aaronv__(~aaronv@user/aaronv) aaronv
2025-07-07 06:38:09 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37
2025-07-07 06:38:47 +0000tromp(~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:a424:5b9:4dc2:8889)
2025-07-07 06:42:18 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-07-07 06:43:34 +0000polux(~polux@51-15-169-172.rev.poneytelecom.eu) (Remote host closed the connection)
2025-07-07 06:44:52 +0000Digitteknohippie(~user@user/digit) Digit
2025-07-07 06:45:47 +0000Digit(~user@user/digit) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
2025-07-07 06:46:52 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-07-07 06:47:39 +0000polux(~polux@51-15-169-172.rev.poneytelecom.eu) polux
2025-07-07 06:48:24 +0000dtman34(~dtman34@c-73-242-68-179.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) dtman34
2025-07-07 06:49:32 +0000ft(~ft@p3e9bc89f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Quit: leaving)
2025-07-07 06:49:35 +0000img(~img@user/img) (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in)
2025-07-07 06:49:42 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-07-07 06:50:54 +0000img(~img@user/img) img
2025-07-07 06:51:47 +0000dtman34(~dtman34@c-73-242-68-179.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) (Client Quit)
2025-07-07 06:53:24 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37
2025-07-07 06:53:44 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-07-07 06:54:02 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37
2025-07-07 06:57:41 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-07-07 06:58:01 +0000prdak(~Thunderbi@user/prdak) prdak
2025-07-07 07:00:01 +0000caconym74(~caconym@user/caconym) (Quit: bye)
2025-07-07 07:00:42 +0000caconym74(~caconym@user/caconym) caconym
2025-07-07 07:00:42 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-07-07 07:02:15 +0000prdak(~Thunderbi@user/prdak) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-07-07 07:02:15 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-07-07 07:03:18 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37
2025-07-07 07:06:03 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-07-07 07:06:28 +0000prdak(~Thunderbi@user/prdak) prdak
2025-07-07 07:07:09 +0000prdak1(~Thunderbi@user/prdak) prdak
2025-07-07 07:07:34 +0000polux(~polux@51-15-169-172.rev.poneytelecom.eu) (Quit: The Lounge - https://thelounge.github.io)
2025-07-07 07:07:55 +0000polux(~polux@51-15-169-172.rev.poneytelecom.eu) polux
2025-07-07 07:09:10 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37
2025-07-07 07:10:34 +0000prdak(~Thunderbi@user/prdak) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2025-07-07 07:10:34 +0000prdak1prdak
2025-07-07 07:12:47 +0000DigitteknohippieDigigt
2025-07-07 07:12:53 +0000Sgeo(~Sgeo@user/sgeo) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-07-07 07:12:54 +0000DigigtDigit
2025-07-07 07:13:51 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-07-07 07:14:14 +0000dtman34(~dtman34@c-73-242-68-179.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) dtman34
2025-07-07 07:14:25 +0000caubert(~caubert@user/caubert) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2025-07-07 07:17:24 +0000prdak(~Thunderbi@user/prdak) (Quit: prdak)
2025-07-07 07:17:44 +0000prdak(~Thunderbi@user/prdak) prdak
2025-07-07 07:19:20 +0000dtman34(~dtman34@c-73-242-68-179.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2+deb3.1+deb12u1 - https://znc.in)
2025-07-07 07:19:29 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-07-07 07:20:25 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2025-07-07 07:21:05 +0000MaybeMonad(~MaybeMona@user/MaybeMonad) MaybeMonad
2025-07-07 07:22:12 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37
2025-07-07 07:25:53 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-07-07 07:25:54 +0000ljdarj(~Thunderbi@user/ljdarj) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
2025-07-07 07:26:15 +0000MaybeMonad(~MaybeMona@user/MaybeMonad) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2025-07-07 07:26:50 +0000aaronv__(~aaronv@user/aaronv) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2025-07-07 07:27:00 +0000acidjnk(~acidjnk@p200300d6e70b66173880acc259d889d5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) acidjnk
2025-07-07 07:27:43 +0000caubert(~caubert@user/caubert) caubert
2025-07-07 07:40:40 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37
2025-07-07 07:41:19 +0000lxsameer(~lxsameer@Serene/lxsameer) lxsameer
2025-07-07 07:43:04 +0000random-jellyfish(~developer@90.167.21.162)
2025-07-07 07:43:04 +0000random-jellyfish(~developer@90.167.21.162) (Changing host)
2025-07-07 07:43:04 +0000random-jellyfish(~developer@user/random-jellyfish) random-jellyfish
2025-07-07 07:44:43 +0000CiaoSen(~Jura@2a02:8071:64e1:da0:5a47:caff:fe78:33db) CiaoSen
2025-07-07 07:46:38 +0000emmanuelux(~emmanuelu@user/emmanuelux) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-07-07 07:47:02 +0000prdak1(~Thunderbi@user/prdak) prdak
2025-07-07 07:47:23 +0000aaronv__(~aaronv@user/aaronv) aaronv
2025-07-07 07:48:37 +0000prdak(~Thunderbi@user/prdak) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-07-07 07:48:38 +0000prdak1prdak
2025-07-07 07:49:17 +0000Unicorn_Princess(~Unicorn_P@user/Unicorn-Princess/x-3540542) Unicorn_Princess
2025-07-07 07:56:36 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-07-07 07:59:37 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37
2025-07-07 08:02:33 +0000d34db33f(~d34db33f@user/d34db33f) (Remote host closed the connection)
2025-07-07 08:04:59 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-07-07 08:10:13 +0000merijn(~merijn@77.242.116.146) merijn
2025-07-07 08:11:41 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37
2025-07-07 08:15:46 +0000dtman34(~dtman34@c-73-242-68-179.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) dtman34
2025-07-07 08:16:04 +0000[_________](~oos95GWG@user/oos95GWG) (Quit: [_________])
2025-07-07 08:17:31 +0000[_________](~oos95GWG@user/oos95GWG) oos95GWG
2025-07-07 08:21:23 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-07-07 08:22:17 +0000dtman34(~dtman34@c-73-242-68-179.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2+deb3.1+deb12u1 - https://znc.in)
2025-07-07 08:25:02 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37
2025-07-07 08:26:07 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-07-07 08:29:37 +0000trickard(~trickard@cpe-92-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-07-07 08:29:50 +0000trickard_(~trickard@cpe-92-98-47-163.wireline.com.au)
2025-07-07 08:31:36 +0000caubert(~caubert@user/caubert) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2025-07-07 08:31:58 +0000humasect(~humasect@dyn-192-249-132-90.nexicom.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
2025-07-07 08:35:30 +0000merijn(~merijn@77.242.116.146) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2025-07-07 08:35:54 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37
2025-07-07 08:40:28 +0000dtman34(~dtman34@2601:447:d182:6512:c2f9:c3a:b83d:6490) dtman34
2025-07-07 08:42:24 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-07-07 08:43:30 +0000Tuplanolla(~Tuplanoll@91-159-69-59.elisa-laajakaista.fi) Tuplanolla
2025-07-07 08:43:40 +0000caubert(~caubert@user/caubert) caubert
2025-07-07 08:45:11 +0000poscat(~poscat@user/poscat) (Remote host closed the connection)
2025-07-07 08:45:17 +0000merijn(~merijn@77.242.116.146) merijn
2025-07-07 08:45:39 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37
2025-07-07 08:46:47 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-07-07 08:48:36 +0000poscat(~poscat@user/poscat) poscat
2025-07-07 08:50:14 +0000poscat0x04(~poscat@user/poscat) poscat
2025-07-07 08:51:51 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37
2025-07-07 08:52:59 +0000aaronv__(~aaronv@user/aaronv) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2025-07-07 08:53:44 +0000poscat(~poscat@user/poscat) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2025-07-07 08:54:48 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-07-07 08:55:09 +0000dtman34(~dtman34@2601:447:d182:6512:c2f9:c3a:b83d:6490) (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2+deb3.1+deb12u1 - https://znc.in)
2025-07-07 08:57:09 +0000dtman34(~dtman34@2601:447:d182:6512:c2f9:c3a:b83d:6490) dtman34
2025-07-07 09:01:18 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37
2025-07-07 09:02:07 +0000prdak(~Thunderbi@user/prdak) (Remote host closed the connection)
2025-07-07 09:02:28 +0000prdak(~Thunderbi@user/prdak) prdak
2025-07-07 09:02:29 +0000humasect(~humasect@dyn-192-249-132-90.nexicom.net) humasect
2025-07-07 09:04:12 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-07-07 09:04:13 +0000__monty__(~toonn@user/toonn) toonn
2025-07-07 09:07:21 +0000humasect(~humasect@dyn-192-249-132-90.nexicom.net) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2025-07-07 09:08:55 +0000arahael(~arahael@user/arahael) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2025-07-07 09:10:57 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37
2025-07-07 09:12:58 +0000Frostillicus(~Frostilli@pool-71-174-119-69.bstnma.fios.verizon.net)
2025-07-07 09:13:37 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-07-07 09:16:24 +0000dtman34(~dtman34@2601:447:d182:6512:c2f9:c3a:b83d:6490) (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2+deb3.1+deb12u1 - https://znc.in)
2025-07-07 09:19:26 +0000kaskal(~kaskal@2a02:8388:15bf:c200:2968:f867:8a66:34b3) (Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in)
2025-07-07 09:19:46 +0000kaskal(~kaskal@84-115-231-2.cable.dynamic.surfer.at) kaskal
2025-07-07 09:21:21 +0000merijn(~merijn@77.242.116.146) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2025-07-07 09:21:25 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37
2025-07-07 09:22:47 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-07-07 09:26:34 +0000merijn(~merijn@77.242.116.146) merijn
2025-07-07 09:29:45 +0000j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37
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2025-07-07 10:09:12 +0000 <senoraraton> If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, but doesn't compose — it's not a real monad.
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2025-07-07 10:17:33 +0000 <__monty__> Aren't monads a bit notorious for not composing? Hence transformers and entire effect systems?
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2025-07-07 10:37:45 +0000Smiles(uid551636@id-551636.lymington.irccloud.com) Smiles
2025-07-07 10:42:56 +0000 <[exa]> __monty__: I guess there's difference between composing with other types vs composing with themselves
2025-07-07 10:43:28 +0000 <[exa]> like getting "compose int->int with string->string" and going "aaaaa functions don't compose" :D
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2025-07-07 10:53:26 +0000 <__monty__> Fair enough, though I haven't seen >>= called "monad composition."
2025-07-07 10:54:42 +0000 <[exa]> >=> ?
2025-07-07 10:55:08 +0000 <[exa]> anyway yeah this nomenclature for composition there is shaky
2025-07-07 10:56:24 +0000 <[exa]> hey btw I stumbled upon this recently, looks like a pretty good way to do websites (kinda refreshing after all these post-jekyll static site deployers): https://www.forester-notes.org/index/index.xml
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2025-07-07 10:57:15 +0000 <[exa]> kinda wondering if there would be a simpler one for haskell, with pandoc and stuff...so that I could tear out that weird markup they're using :D
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2025-07-07 10:59:53 +0000 <Leary> [exa]: That's quite a direct analogy there; a monad M on a category C corresponds to G . F for some adjunction F : C <-> D : G, and adjunctions /do/ compose like functions, giving rise to composition of monads. But a `C <-> D` wants to compose with a `D <-> _`, not another `C <-> _`---trying to compose monads on Hask is a "type error", unless the first is also /to/ Hask.
2025-07-07 11:01:23 +0000 <[exa]> oh cool
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2025-07-07 11:04:16 +0000 <__monty__> You lost me at "adjunction." o.o
2025-07-07 11:06:23 +0000 <__monty__> Forester looks similar to some Zettelkasten utilities I've seen. Not dissimilar to a Wiki with disciplined reference use.
2025-07-07 11:07:55 +0000 <dutchie> you can compose monads with distributive laws too: https://inv.alid.pw/posts/kleisli-lifting-distributive/
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2025-07-07 11:14:32 +0000 <[exa]> __monty__: it got me at the "graphy" views of stuff, certainly in a nice sweet spot between plain old wiki and wikidata or so
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2025-07-07 14:23:48 +0000 <probie> Is there a way to do something like `data L = L1 | L2` and `data Foo (xs :: [L]) where { T1 :: (In L1 xs) => Foo xs; T2 :: (In L2 xs) => Foo xs } in a way that GHC can make reasonable sense of it?
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2025-07-07 14:28:18 +0000jmcantrell(~weechat@user/jmcantrell) jmcantrell
2025-07-07 14:28:25 +0000 <Leary> probie: What issue does GHC have with that? It looks fine to me.
2025-07-07 14:29:34 +0000c0d3x(~c0d3x@user/c0d3x) c0d3x
2025-07-07 14:29:49 +0000 <probie> If I pattern match on a `Foo '[L1]` it doesn't know that `T2` isn't a possible constructor
2025-07-07 14:34:32 +0000 <ski> OWA ?
2025-07-07 14:35:48 +0000trickard_trickard
2025-07-07 14:38:14 +0000 <tomsmeding> probie: works for me https://play.haskell.org/saved/ogiXl7OC
2025-07-07 14:38:23 +0000 <tomsmeding> perhaps you've defined 'In' differently?
2025-07-07 14:40:05 +0000 <Leary> Yeah, I also just got done writing this, which works too: https://play.haskell.org/saved/Ytw9qxKB
2025-07-07 14:40:17 +0000 <tomsmeding> (also, ski: outlook web access?)
2025-07-07 14:40:40 +0000tomsmedingsuspects that probie expressed 'In' using a type class
2025-07-07 14:41:44 +0000 <ski> (Open-World Assumption)
2025-07-07 14:41:51 +0000 <tomsmeding> ah
2025-07-07 14:42:05 +0000caubert(~caubert@user/caubert) caubert
2025-07-07 14:42:32 +0000 <tomsmeding> the space of three-letter acrynoms is crowded :)
2025-07-07 14:42:39 +0000 <tomsmeding> *acronyms
2025-07-07 14:42:46 +0000 <tomsmeding> not sure what an acrynom would be
2025-07-07 14:43:16 +0000 <Leary> Eating while crying. :)
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2025-07-07 14:43:23 +0000 <tomsmeding> :D
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2025-07-07 15:17:55 +0000 <probie> tomsmeding: I'm out of practice doing fun things with types, so defaulted to what I would have done 15 years ago
2025-07-07 15:19:33 +0000 <tomsmeding> probie: type classes here have the downside that they're "open world": more instances could be added later, and the compiler wants to ensure that your code doesn't break when that happens
2025-07-07 15:19:37 +0000 <tomsmeding> hence it's very conservative
2025-07-07 15:20:09 +0000 <tomsmeding> Leary and I wrote a _closed_ type family (as opposed to an "open type family", which also exists); a closed type family is, naturally, closed-world, hence GHC does not have to be conservative
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2025-07-07 15:42:28 +0000 <ski> (in the logic/relational programming, and knowledge representation world, "OWA" and "CWA" (Closed-World Assumption), are rather common terms)
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2025-07-07 16:52:10 +0000 <yabobay> what's the best module for just getting the contents of a web page? i'm extremely unlikely to want to do anything more complicated or powerful
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2025-07-07 16:55:12 +0000 <EvanR> there's a library called req on hackage which uses http-client
2025-07-07 16:55:51 +0000 <EvanR> https://github.com/mrkkrp/req might be worth a shot
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2025-07-07 17:07:44 +0000 <drlkf> hi, is it possible to request hackage endorsements in here?
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2025-07-07 17:15:38 +0000 <tomsmeding> drlkf: if you know any haskellers personally, trying via them might be most effective
2025-07-07 17:16:59 +0000 <tomsmeding> oh it seems you can still go via trustees too, giving just name and package
2025-07-07 17:17:06 +0000 <tomsmeding> that's a low verification bar
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2025-07-07 17:17:49 +0000 <tomsmeding> drlkf: please link the package you intend to upload
2025-07-07 17:17:59 +0000tomsmedingis looking at the red box on https://hackage.haskell.org/users/register-request
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2025-07-07 17:18:16 +0000 <tomsmeding> also hackage username
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2025-07-07 18:03:57 +0000 <monochrom> Hot take: "acrynom" is Latin for "acronym" >:)
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2025-07-07 18:11:56 +0000 <yabobay> EvanR: i can't seem to be able to install splitmix which is a dependency of req
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2025-07-07 18:12:13 +0000 <yabobay> it complains that 'getentropy' is undefined in C code which is weird
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2025-07-07 18:15:09 +0000 <drlkf> tomsmeding: here is a small package i want to upload: https://github.com/drlkf/megaparsec-utils/ ; i also have a pending maintainer handoff here https://github.com/jgoerzen/configfile/issues/13, my hackage username is drlkf https://hackage.haskell.org/user/drlkf
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2025-07-07 18:26:21 +0000 <EvanR> yabobay, this is unfortunate
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2025-07-07 18:29:04 +0000 <monochrom> getentropy should be available as part of glibc on Linux. You may need to say more about your platform.
2025-07-07 18:29:28 +0000 <monochrom> I think the man page says OpenBSD too.
2025-07-07 18:30:30 +0000 <monochrom> Unfortunately cbits-unix/init.c insists on getentropy and doesn't have any alternative for any other Unix.
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2025-07-07 18:31:40 +0000 <EvanR> maybe this is why I haven't heard of anyone using req, it's openbsd only
2025-07-07 18:32:23 +0000 <monochrom> Naw I had no trouble building splitmix on Ubuntu.
2025-07-07 18:33:39 +0000harveypwca(~harveypwc@2601:246:d080:f6e0:27d6:8cc7:eca9:c46c) HarveyPwca
2025-07-07 18:34:19 +0000 <tomsmeding> even more, ghc itself barely supports anything other than linux and bsd
2025-07-07 18:34:27 +0000 <tomsmeding> (in the unix landscape)
2025-07-07 18:34:52 +0000 <tomsmeding> so yes, need more platform info
2025-07-07 18:35:38 +0000 <monochrom> I can believe maybe musl doesn't have it. (Too lazy to check.)
2025-07-07 18:37:28 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-07-07 18:38:07 +0000 <tomsmeding> I get results for getentropy in musl
2025-07-07 18:38:20 +0000 <monochrom> Nice.
2025-07-07 18:39:25 +0000 <tomsmeding> drlkf: thanks for the links! Feel free to send me a hackage endorsement link in a private message
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2025-07-07 20:37:01 +0000ski. o O ( "anagram" is an anagram of "anagram" )
2025-07-07 20:37:15 +0000humasect(~humasect@dyn-192-249-132-90.nexicom.net) humasect
2025-07-07 20:40:37 +0000 <darkling> .oO( An anagram of "banach-tarski" is "banach-tarski banach-tarski" ) ;)
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2025-07-07 21:00:18 +0000 <EvanR> lol.
2025-07-07 21:00:53 +0000 <mauke> to the tune of "Barbra Streisand"
2025-07-07 21:01:53 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-07-07 21:02:27 +0000 <ski> @quote tarski
2025-07-07 21:02:27 +0000 <lambdabot> cmccann says: fun fact: "Banach-Tarski" is an anagram for "Banach-Tarski Banach-Tarski"
2025-07-07 21:02:42 +0000machinedgod(~machinedg@d75-159-126-101.abhsia.telus.net) machinedgod
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2025-07-07 21:21:00 +0000yabobay(~pizza@ppp046103041035.access.hol.gr) yabobay
2025-07-07 21:22:12 +0000 <yabobay> EvanR: i don't know if the message sent earlier, cause i've been having some internet outages, but i said i did get req to install just fine on debian but not on termux and i don't know what libc that uses
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2025-07-07 21:25:21 +0000 <mauke> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bionic_(software) ?
2025-07-07 21:28:01 +0000 <mauke> but then https://android.googlesource.com/platform/bionic/+/2b67d7dee09852789d9ac7d8972ed6cdb2c18430%5E%21/
2025-07-07 21:29:13 +0000 <yabobay> yeah so that's probably not it
2025-07-07 21:29:32 +0000 <yabobay> so would the solution just kinda be submitting a patch to whatever bit of C code uses that function upstream?
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