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2025-06-05 02:42:34 +0000 <Tikosh> I am confusion. im attempting to build a function that takes a String -> Bool and outputs a String.
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2025-06-05 02:43:22 +0000 <Tikosh> https://bpa.st/VTEA here is what i got so far
2025-06-05 02:43:50 +0000 <Tikosh> the endGameQuestion function is hurting my brain
2025-06-05 02:44:02 +0000 <Tikosh> all i get are parse errors and i don't know what to do
2025-06-05 02:44:20 +0000 <EvanR> this kind of program would benefit from an interact higher order function like
2025-06-05 02:44:22 +0000 <EvanR> :t interact
2025-06-05 02:44:23 +0000 <lambdabot> (String -> String) -> IO ()
2025-06-05 02:44:45 +0000 <EvanR> or a variant that takes the game state
2025-06-05 02:45:31 +0000 <EvanR> the type of endGameQuestion you have is problematic because it supposedly says it works for pair of any two types whatsoever
2025-06-05 02:45:51 +0000 <EvanR> but it seems to expect specifically (String,Bool) only
2025-06-05 02:46:25 +0000 <monochrom> Yeah (a,b) is wrong, (String,Bool) is much better.
2025-06-05 02:47:21 +0000 <monochrom> But I wonder why it is so redundant. Why do I need to be told both "yes" and True?
2025-06-05 02:47:41 +0000 <Tikosh> sorry. im learning haskell
2025-06-05 02:47:49 +0000 <Tikosh> that is why its redundant.
2025-06-05 02:47:57 +0000 <Tikosh> beginner programmer here
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2025-06-05 02:48:18 +0000 <Tikosh> like, noob programmer
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2025-06-05 02:48:52 +0000 <EvanR> so maybe the original question should have been "build a function that takes a (String, Bool) and outputs a String"
2025-06-05 02:49:18 +0000 <Tikosh> yea!
2025-06-05 02:49:38 +0000 <Tikosh> im attempting to build like a 20 questions game
2025-06-05 02:50:12 +0000 <monochrom> OK I see the syntax error now. Write like this: endGameQuestion ("yes", True) = "Alright. Let's play!"
2025-06-05 02:50:19 +0000 <EvanR> if there's a set of 20 questions then, maybe you do need to pass the list of remaining questions to the next iteration of the game loop
2025-06-05 02:50:58 +0000 <monochrom> I am too lazy to write the 2nd line for the 2nd case, but you should be able to extrapolate.
2025-06-05 02:51:21 +0000 <EvanR> and the third line
2025-06-05 02:52:12 +0000 <EvanR> to cover all the possibilities
2025-06-05 02:52:17 +0000 <monochrom> Actually you wrote gameOne correctly, so just follow that template.
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2025-06-05 02:55:36 +0000 <potatoespotatoes> are there examples of an effect library with a multi-shot handler? I came across a note about resumable exceptions in effectful, and the fused-effects-resumable library depends on the older, pre-Algebra-typeclass design
2025-06-05 02:56:19 +0000 <potatoespotatoes> "note about resumable exceptions in effectful" -> /not/ supported in effectul
2025-06-05 02:56:49 +0000td_(~td@i53870924.versanet.de) td_
2025-06-05 02:57:25 +0000 <potatoespotatoes> (although I don't know if resumable exceptions are what I am looking for -- I just want to be able to call a handler twice with two different values and aggregate the result)
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2025-06-05 03:06:39 +0000 <EvanR> like liftA2 ?
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2025-06-05 03:16:44 +0000 <monochrom> If I understand correctly, that's just the non-determinism effect in algebraic effects.
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2025-06-05 03:54:29 +0000 <Tikosh> is it not recommended for a noob like I to learn haskell
2025-06-05 03:54:30 +0000 <Tikosh> ?
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2025-06-05 03:55:29 +0000 <Tikosh> i don't even konw how to end the game properly
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2025-06-05 03:59:08 +0000 <monochrom> With recursion, you do not look for a way to code up "leave this function". Instead:
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2025-06-05 04:00:05 +0000 <monochrom> It is when you want to repeat the function that you have to code up something, namely, a recursive call.
2025-06-05 04:00:19 +0000 <monochrom> If you don't code up a recursive code, then you are already leaving the function.
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2025-06-05 04:19:11 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> Tikosh it's recommended, but having the right learning resources and/or support will be important
2025-06-05 04:19:51 +0000 <Tikosh> alright
2025-06-05 04:19:57 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> also, if you struggle with it at first, it's not unusual; don't worry
2025-06-05 04:21:40 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> I made a similar guess the number game
2025-06-05 04:22:01 +0000mange(~mange@user/mange) mange
2025-06-05 04:22:39 +0000 <Tikosh> others say to learn python but for some reason i gravitate towards haskell.
2025-06-05 04:22:47 +0000 <Tikosh> its because of xmonad
2025-06-05 04:22:50 +0000 <Tikosh> i love xmonad
2025-06-05 04:23:21 +0000 <EvanR> learn both
2025-06-05 04:23:32 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> if it can be useful to your daily work, that's good for motivation
2025-06-05 04:23:36 +0000 <EvanR> just know python and haskell are very different
2025-06-05 04:23:52 +0000 <EvanR> it won't be as simple as learning different syntax
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2025-06-05 04:24:19 +0000 <Tikosh> yea. im a noob at programming in general. all i did to configure xmonad was follow a tutorial
2025-06-05 04:24:26 +0000 <Tikosh> on the xmonad website
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2025-06-05 04:24:36 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> excellent!
2025-06-05 04:25:02 +0000 <Tikosh> this learning haskell thing so far took me 10 years of my life
2025-06-05 04:25:18 +0000 <Tikosh> i don't know if its pride or something
2025-06-05 04:25:50 +0000 <Tikosh> immutability just sounds attractive for some reason
2025-06-05 04:25:51 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> 10 years since you started ? or 10 years to get started ?
2025-06-05 04:26:01 +0000 <Tikosh> 10 years since i started
2025-06-05 04:26:31 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> nice. What happened in the first 10 years ?
2025-06-05 04:27:00 +0000 <Tikosh> I attempted to put an original xmonad config without copying other configs
2025-06-05 04:27:09 +0000 <Tikosh> with no copy, pasting.
2025-06-05 04:27:16 +0000 <Tikosh> i wanted to understand what goes on in it
2025-06-05 04:28:03 +0000 <EvanR> immutability is great, is means you're off the hook for all those programming tasks to carefully rewrite fields
2025-06-05 04:28:27 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> what learning resources have you liked ?
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2025-06-05 04:30:02 +0000 <Tikosh> so far. I liked the one book called the craft of functional programming. its yellow and teaches haskell
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2025-06-05 04:30:30 +0000 <Tikosh> i bought that book for fun. not because i go to university
2025-06-05 04:31:07 +0000 <Tikosh> here is an example of my xmonad config https://bpa.st/BKPQ
2025-06-05 04:31:38 +0000 <Tikosh> some of the code was inspired from the xmonad website, derek taylor, and other sources
2025-06-05 04:31:51 +0000 <Tikosh> i guess the majority of code
2025-06-05 04:31:56 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> I really like https://exercism.org/tracks/haskell . If you get stuck on one exercise for a while, you can just work on some others. And there's a lot of help.
2025-06-05 04:33:00 +0000tccq(~user@user/tccq) tccq
2025-06-05 04:34:06 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> the config looks great! But probably now you are stretching into writing a different kinds of program. This game looks much smaller but it has more complex logic, and input/output issues
2025-06-05 04:35:11 +0000 <Tikosh> yea. Im gonna try exercism, again.
2025-06-05 04:35:44 +0000 <Tikosh> last time i did it, i couldn't get passed the Lucian's lasagna
2025-06-05 04:35:56 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> I learned the basics with project euler, another exercise site.
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2025-06-05 04:38:19 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> but y'all were discussing the guessing game. Games are fun.
2025-06-05 04:39:22 +0000 <Tikosh> yea. i was attempting to make was a bit too complex for me to understand, yet.
2025-06-05 04:39:53 +0000 <Tikosh> haskell broke my english. lol
2025-06-05 04:40:35 +0000 <Tikosh> what  i was attempting to make was too complex
2025-06-05 04:40:58 +0000 <Tikosh> its like, idk. like...
2025-06-05 04:41:11 +0000 <Tikosh> learning to walk when one never walked
2025-06-05 04:41:44 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> that happens all of us. Look for ways to simplify it, or just take a break, to make progress
2025-06-05 04:42:13 +0000 <Tikosh> alright. i start with something basic
2025-06-05 04:42:14 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> you can also read more examples like what you're making, but some people prefer to figure it out
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2025-06-05 04:48:55 +0000 <Tikosh> this is my latest game that works https://bpa.st/ADKA
2025-06-05 04:49:20 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> 🚀
2025-06-05 04:49:30 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> working code is good code!
2025-06-05 04:50:13 +0000 <Tikosh> absolutely!
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2025-06-05 04:52:09 +0000 <Tikosh> should I learn c and haskell? my goal is to learn some low-level stuff, too.
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2025-06-05 04:52:43 +0000 <Tikosh> what you guys thing of the game i made? the new one that works
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2025-06-05 04:53:21 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> it's a lot to learn multiple languages at the same time. But switching back and forth is refreshing sometimes
2025-06-05 04:53:41 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> the game is great, but short :)
2025-06-05 04:53:53 +0000 <Tikosh> yea. lol
2025-06-05 04:54:09 +0000 <Tikosh> thats how far i can go, for now
2025-06-05 04:54:17 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> https://hub.darcs.net/simon/guess-the-number/browse/guess-the-number.hs is similar, but adds a simple loop (and a few more tricks)
2025-06-05 04:56:23 +0000 <Tikosh> haskell left me like allen iverson. left me with more questions than answers hahahahahhaah
2025-06-05 04:56:40 +0000 <Tikosh> allen iverson is a basketball player
2025-06-05 04:56:48 +0000 <Tikosh> who had shoes called questions and answers
2025-06-05 04:56:56 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> ha!
2025-06-05 04:57:47 +0000 <Tikosh> welp. i gotta head out. thank you for the help!
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2025-06-05 04:58:16 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> see you
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2025-06-05 14:33:45 +0000 <jteppinette> Does anyone have recommendations on getting proper indenting in [neo/]vim?
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2025-06-05 15:18:00 +0000 <yin> jteppinette: /join #[neo/]vim
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2025-06-05 15:50:22 +0000Putonlalla(~Putonlall@it-cyan.it.jyu.fi) Tuplanolla
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2025-06-05 16:31:26 +0000 <__monty__> I have a project that is just a single Shakefile.hs, how does that fit best in a Cabal file? It's closest to an executable component but I'm not actually interested in building it, I just want to be able to run it with Shake.
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2025-06-05 16:34:52 +0000 <m_a_r_k> jteppinette are you using treesitter?
2025-06-05 16:36:13 +0000 <m_a_r_k> I just use the default hls LSP with neovim's built in treesitter
2025-06-05 16:36:23 +0000 <m_a_r_k> :q
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2025-06-05 17:02:31 +0000 <EvanR_> __monty__, there are a few ways to "just run a haskell file"
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2025-06-05 17:03:00 +0000 <EvanR> if you don't need any external packages you can use runghc
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2025-06-05 17:06:18 +0000 <EvanR> if you do, e.g. vector, then you might get away with putting a cabal script at the beginning of the file and then cabal run the file
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2025-06-05 17:15:14 +0000 <__monty__> I do want a cabal file for integration with things.
2025-06-05 17:15:43 +0000 <EvanR> a separate file would violate the "single file" premise
2025-06-05 17:16:21 +0000 <EvanR> but yeah a whole project would also work
2025-06-05 17:17:10 +0000 <__monty__> I'm not looking to have a single file. It's just that the code is currently only in a single Shakefile.hs, the operative part there being that it's executed by Shake, so no need to compile it.
2025-06-05 17:17:31 +0000 <__monty__> But dependencies do need to be available.
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2025-06-05 17:18:03 +0000 <EvanR> oh looks like runhaskell was the program I was thinking of
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2025-06-05 17:19:00 +0000 <EvanR> you probably want to compile it somehow so that subsequent executions don't have a noticable spin up delay
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2025-06-05 17:21:43 +0000 <EvanR> in the faq it says >Most users will write their own Haskell file and compile it to produce an executable that is their build tool.
2025-06-05 17:22:15 +0000 <__monty__> Yeah but I have a pretty simple Shakefile.
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2025-06-05 17:49:59 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> make it a cabal script or stack script, those will handle dependencies
2025-06-05 17:50:17 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> like https://github.com/simonmichael/hledger/blob/master/Shake.hs
2025-06-05 17:52:03 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> this auto-compiles when needed
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2025-06-05 18:03:00 +0000 <__monty__> But that doesn't integrate with my tooling (Nix).
2025-06-05 18:03:30 +0000 <__monty__> I want a Cabal file. I just don't really want `cabal build` to build an executable.
2025-06-05 18:04:09 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> are you sure ? stack --nix-help shows some stuff
2025-06-05 18:05:06 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> this stuff: https://termbin.com/jv27
2025-06-05 18:06:10 +0000 <__monty__> Yes, I'm sure.
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2025-06-05 18:08:49 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> Ok, so you want to run a shake file as a script, without compiling it, ensuring that any required haskell packages are present, and integrating with your nix setup, in some way that stack --nix* doesn't do.
2025-06-05 18:09:08 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> Isn't there some kind of native nix script, that you could do runghc in ?
2025-06-05 18:09:44 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> using nix to ensure the haskell packages are there ?
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2025-06-05 18:15:24 +0000 <__monty__> Nix needn't really figure into this. It's just what happens to set up my package database. I want a Cabal file that allows installing all the dependencies for my Shakefile to be then run using Shake, ideally also installed by the Cabal file.
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2025-06-05 19:07:48 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> you brought it up :)
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2025-06-05 19:08:22 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> I think we covered it, one way or another ? or is there still something missing ?
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2025-06-05 20:20:01 +0000 <__monty__> Well, neither a stack script nor a cabal script works for me. Those were the only suggestions I picked up on.
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2025-06-05 20:26:36 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> I'm not sure why not exactly
2025-06-05 20:27:02 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> the other option was a nix script that runs runghc
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2025-06-05 20:38:13 +0000 <__monty__> But that's another option that doesn't achieve what I want. I don't want a single-file project. The code for the project happens to be in a single file but it needn't be. It's just that "non-compiled script with dependencies" doesn't seem to fit my understanding of the Cabal model.
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2025-06-05 20:39:04 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> I guess I'm unclear what you want
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2025-06-05 20:39:57 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> your original question _seemed_ clear... :)
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2025-06-05 20:40:30 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> anyway I don't want to annoy you. I think Shake scripts are awesome
2025-06-05 20:41:00 +0000 <__monty__> I'm not annoyed. I suspect there's no better fit than an executable component.
2025-06-05 20:41:55 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> you currently have a single Shakefile.hs. But you want to make it a cabal project ?
2025-06-05 20:42:05 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> why ?
2025-06-05 20:42:11 +0000 <EvanR> what's the problem with an executable
2025-06-05 20:42:22 +0000 <__monty__> I think "Make Shake available" isn't a great fit for a Cabal file either. There's build-tool depends or something but it's not really a build tool.
2025-06-05 20:42:30 +0000 <geekosaur> no, I think they want an interpreted cabal script, which currently doesn't exist
2025-06-05 20:43:00 +0000 <__monty__> I'm really quite certain I don't want a shebang at all in my Shakefile.
2025-06-05 20:43:13 +0000 <__monty__> Not Cabal nor Stack nor Nix.
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2025-06-05 20:43:46 +0000 <sclv> why
2025-06-05 20:43:46 +0000 <geekosaur> then you want a kernel module to recognize Shakefiles??? how exactly do you think this is supposed to work?
2025-06-05 20:43:49 +0000 <__monty__> The problem with an executable component is just that `cabal build` does too much. I don't need the Shakefile to be compiled.
2025-06-05 20:44:17 +0000 <sclv> the hard part isn’t compiling its making deps available. after that compiling is just an efficiency optimization
2025-06-05 20:44:27 +0000 <sclv> there’s no downside to how cabal does scripts
2025-06-05 20:44:35 +0000 <__monty__> I don't know why everyone's assuming I want to execute the Shakefile as if it's an executable? I just want to invoke `shake myShakefile.hs`.
2025-06-05 20:44:37 +0000 <EvanR> compiling vs interpreting is subjective
2025-06-05 20:44:41 +0000 <sclv> it used to interpret then people fixed it
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2025-06-05 20:46:01 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> sclv, geekosaur: do cabal scripts _always_ compile now ?
2025-06-05 20:46:10 +0000 <geekosaur> yes
2025-06-05 20:46:16 +0000 <EvanR> it gets the same results in the end which is why I was curious what difference it makes
2025-06-05 20:46:25 +0000 <geekosaur> well, no, if they don't need to be rebuilt they don't
2025-06-05 20:46:51 +0000 <sclv> a shakefile is literally an executable script. thats how it works. compiling vs interpreting is simply a matter of efficiency and optimization.
2025-06-05 20:46:54 +0000 <geekosaur> so what you really want is for shake tpo understand build dependencies?
2025-06-05 20:47:20 +0000 <geekosaur> or are you asking shake to do what it doesn't?
2025-06-05 20:47:34 +0000 <__monty__> No, my tooling sets up the dependencies but that tooling does so by interpreting a Cabal file.
2025-06-05 20:47:35 +0000 <sclv> this is what a shakefile looks like. it has a main function and everything: https://shakebuild.com/manual#running
2025-06-05 20:47:35 +0000 <sclv> its a haskell program.
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2025-06-05 20:48:51 +0000 <geekosaur> okay, that's more or less what I expected, so where does this "shake" executable come in?
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2025-06-05 20:51:19 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> good question, it seems underdocumented
2025-06-05 20:53:20 +0000 <__monty__> It's required to run the Shakefile, that's all. I'm just hoping there's a nice way to specify it in a Cabal file to be made available. Is a hypothetical script component with "run-depends: base, aeson, shake" really so outrageous?
2025-06-05 20:53:55 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> "shake" certainly isn't required to run a shakefile. Here's the main, it seems to try to run ninja: https://github.com/ndmitchell/shake/blob/master/src/Run.hs
2025-06-05 20:54:19 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> or it runs the shakefile with runhaskell
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2025-06-05 20:54:44 +0000 <sclv> if you do want an executable in place during some other portion of a cabal build, adding that executable in build-tool-depends _should_ work. however as sm says, i don't believe the shake executable is necessary to run a shakefile.
2025-06-05 20:54:59 +0000 <__monty__> I know it's not. It's just how I like to run it, parallels the make + Makefile workflow nicely.
2025-06-05 20:55:15 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> fair enough
2025-06-05 20:55:34 +0000 <sclv> then to have it in place, using nix, just add it to your nix environment. that's what nix is for
2025-06-05 20:56:00 +0000 <EvanR> I'm confused about how shake + cabal can exist in the same project, they're both build tools
2025-06-05 20:56:11 +0000 <EvanR> who is in charge of building
2025-06-05 20:56:14 +0000prdak(~Thunderbi@user/prdak) prdak
2025-06-05 20:56:15 +0000 <__monty__> I'd prefer the specification to be complete regardless of whether someone else wants to use Nix.
2025-06-05 20:56:57 +0000 <sclv> i'm so confused.
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2025-06-05 20:57:31 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> welcome to the thread sclv :)
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2025-06-05 20:59:18 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> __monty__ if you are attached to running the shakefile via "shake", that can't ensure dependencies, you'll have to do that yourself as a separate step. That's the reason people make it a cabal/stack script.
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2025-06-05 21:00:19 +0000 <sclv> ah -- i see. its "we want to build with shake instead of cabal, but we want a package environment that has all the packages we need to build." you totally _can_ do that with cabal, by installing the packages into a package environment.
2025-06-05 21:01:12 +0000jespada(~jespada@r179-25-40-226.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) jespada
2025-06-05 21:02:49 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> that comment raises interesting new ambiguities
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2025-06-05 21:04:47 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> I think (?) the packages needed are for the shakefile itself, not for a haskell app being built
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2025-06-05 21:07:23 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> and I assumed shake is being used as a "make" replacement, not a "cabal build" replacement here
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2025-06-05 22:23:04 +0000 <__monty__> Yep, the dependencies are of the Shakefile.
2025-06-05 22:23:52 +0000 <__monty__> I'm using Shake as a build tool but not to build a Haskell project.
2025-06-05 22:25:02 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-06-05 22:26:47 +0000 <EvanR> need a build tool for the build tool
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2025-06-05 22:30:49 +0000 <__monty__> Yeah, that's kind of the fundamental problem with Shake.
2025-06-05 22:31:45 +0000 <__monty__> Maybe sleeping on it will make things clear up in my mind.
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