| 2025-05-18 00:02:19 +0200 | sabathan2 | (~sabathan@amarseille-159-1-12-107.w86-203.abo.wanadoo.fr) (Remote host closed the connection) |
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| 2025-05-18 00:05:50 +0200 | machinedgod | (~machinedg@d108-173-18-100.abhsia.telus.net) machinedgod |
| 2025-05-18 00:06:37 +0200 | <kaol> | cabal v2 sucks. I want to edit one file and I can't figure how to do an incremental compile. It always worked just fine with v1. I seem to be stuck in a hell of waiting for 150 modules to build every time instead. |
| 2025-05-18 00:08:02 +0200 | <monochrom> | I never experieinced that. |
| 2025-05-18 00:08:20 +0200 | <kaol> | "cabal build > Up to date" no it isn't you idiot program. |
| 2025-05-18 00:12:53 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) |
| 2025-05-18 00:16:36 +0200 | <kaol> | Okay, I switched from bumping the project version number in cabal to just twiddling with build-depends instead. That avoids doing the full compile at least. Now I just change base's upper bound every time to trigger the check to see that one module that's changed. |
| 2025-05-18 00:16:51 +0200 | peterbecich | (~Thunderbi@syn-047-229-123-186.res.spectrum.com) (Quit: peterbecich) |
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| 2025-05-18 00:18:12 +0200 | jmcantrell | (~weechat@user/jmcantrell) jmcantrell |
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| 2025-05-18 00:25:30 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
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| 2025-05-18 00:26:20 +0200 | <hololeap> | I've seen doctests change some obscure thing and cause a bunch of modules to get rebuilt |
| 2025-05-18 00:28:42 +0200 | machinedgod | (~machinedg@d108-173-18-100.abhsia.telus.net) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) |
| 2025-05-18 00:28:51 +0200 | <kaol> | And even that build-dependency trick is not quite clean. It triggers dependency checks for all of my executables and libraries, not just the one I'm editing. Those take time. |
| 2025-05-18 00:29:58 +0200 | <kaol> | And all I'm really doing is just cabal build. This is the kind of usability issues that make me think that cabal developers never use the program themselves. |
| 2025-05-18 00:30:33 +0200 | <EvanR> | you're changing the version numbers on base but don't want it to recompile everything? |
| 2025-05-18 00:30:53 +0200 | <kaol> | I'm only doing it to have it notice a change to one module file. |
| 2025-05-18 00:31:04 +0200 | tromp | (~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:ace7:b293:8f4:7479) (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) |
| 2025-05-18 00:31:10 +0200 | <kaol> | The upper bound. I'm not obviously changing ghc in between. |
| 2025-05-18 00:31:21 +0200 | <EvanR> | changing 1 module file shouldn't trigger a full rebuild, unless it's something everything depends on |
| 2025-05-18 00:31:40 +0200 | sabathan2 | (~sabathan@amarseille-159-1-12-107.w86-203.abo.wanadoo.fr) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2025-05-18 00:31:46 +0200 | <kaol> | Changing 1 module file gets completely ignored. That's the problem. |
| 2025-05-18 00:31:55 +0200 | <EvanR> | o_O |
| 2025-05-18 00:31:59 +0200 | <kaol> | I'm manipulating my cabal file just to make cabal build catch that. |
| 2025-05-18 00:32:03 +0200 | sabathan2 | (~sabathan@amarseille-159-1-12-107.w86-203.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 2025-05-18 00:32:28 +0200 | <EvanR> | are you sure that file is listed in the cabal other modules |
| 2025-05-18 00:32:30 +0200 | notzmv | (~daniel@user/notzmv) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) |
| 2025-05-18 00:34:39 +0200 | <Clint> | as opposed to exposed-modules? |
| 2025-05-18 00:34:41 +0200 | <kaol> | It makes no difference whether I have it in other-modules or not. |
| 2025-05-18 00:34:55 +0200 | <kaol> | v1 never cared about that. |
| 2025-05-18 00:35:41 +0200 | <monochrom> | I guess with 150 modules, one is not inclined to list them anywhere. |
| 2025-05-18 00:36:19 +0200 | <kaol> | I just want the behavior that cabal build does if I have a compile error in one module. It works as expected as long as I don't have it compile successfully. |
| 2025-05-18 00:36:38 +0200 | <kaol> | As long as it is in that state I can change any module and it sees the change. |
| 2025-05-18 00:36:53 +0200 | <kaol> | But once it compiles once, it never checks any files for changes again. |
| 2025-05-18 00:36:58 +0200 | <kaol> | Unless I edit my cabal file. |
| 2025-05-18 00:37:19 +0200 | <kaol> | Which triggers all sorts of dependency checks as well which is slow. |
| 2025-05-18 00:38:32 +0200 | <kaol> | If cabal build is not the supposed way to use cabal then what is? |
| 2025-05-18 00:38:41 +0200 | sabathan2 | (~sabathan@amarseille-159-1-12-107.w86-203.abo.wanadoo.fr) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2025-05-18 00:38:45 +0200 | <kaol> | If I can't even build my project anymore after it succeeds once? |
| 2025-05-18 00:39:05 +0200 | sabathan2 | (~sabathan@amarseille-159-1-12-107.w86-203.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 2025-05-18 00:40:14 +0200 | Frostillicus | (~Frostilli@pool-71-174-119-56.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2025-05-18 00:46:07 +0200 | <sm> | kaol, that's not working as intended. It'll take some work, but maybe you can minimise it to identify the cause, or share the repo |
| 2025-05-18 00:46:25 +0200 | __monty__ | (~toonn@user/toonn) (Quit: leaving) |
| 2025-05-18 00:47:31 +0200 | <sm> | there's also the #hackage channel where cabal developers are |
| 2025-05-18 00:49:09 +0200 | notzmv | (~daniel@user/notzmv) notzmv |
| 2025-05-18 00:49:47 +0200 | <sm> | also mention your cabal --version |
| 2025-05-18 00:50:30 +0200 | Guest11 | (~Guest11@syn-024-165-041-231.res.spectrum.com) |
| 2025-05-18 00:52:13 +0200 | <kaol> | https://gitlab.com/piperka/piperka and cabal-install version 3.10.3.0 |
| 2025-05-18 00:55:55 +0200 | Frostillicus | (~Frostilli@pool-71-174-119-56.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 2025-05-18 00:56:25 +0200 | <sm> | kaol, this project doesn't build easily, I wonder which ghc --version you have |
| 2025-05-18 00:56:46 +0200 | <sm> | 9.6 I guess |
| 2025-05-18 00:58:07 +0200 | <sm> | no good.. I would try to reproduce your issue, but I can't resolve your dependencies |
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| 2025-05-18 00:59:08 +0200 | <kaol> | I'm using 9.6.6 currently. |
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| 2025-05-18 01:10:12 +0200 | <sm> | --allow-newer gets farther, but I failed to make cabal build text-icu on mac. But try simplifying your project until it works. Changing a .hs file should definitely trigger recompilation |
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| 2025-05-18 01:21:00 +0200 | Lord_of_Life_ | (~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915) Lord_of_Life |
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| 2025-05-18 01:22:22 +0200 | Lord_of_Life_ | Lord_of_Life |
| 2025-05-18 01:22:59 +0200 | <kaol> | "cabal install --only-dependencies --force-reinstalls --overwrite-policy=always" works as well to clear whatever's blocking the module file change check. |
| 2025-05-18 01:23:44 +0200 | bitdex | (~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex) bitdex |
| 2025-05-18 01:25:04 +0200 | <kaol> | No wait, that didn't. I still needed to edit my cabal file. |
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| 2025-05-18 01:36:36 +0200 | <Leary> | kaol: Your `hs-source-dirs` are overlapping between components. This can cause problems due to the way GHC searches for modules; try separating them. |
| 2025-05-18 01:38:45 +0200 | <sm> | 🚀 |
| 2025-05-18 01:39:42 +0200 | <Leary> | (I'm not claiming this is the solution, but it's the thing that looks most wrong in the .cabal file) |
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| 2025-05-18 02:55:37 +0200 | Square2 | (~Square@user/square) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2025-05-18 02:59:48 +0200 | <sm> | watch = ["util", "exec", "--", "sh", "-c", """ |
| 2025-05-18 02:59:49 +0200 | <sm> | watchexec --wrap-process=session --no-vcs-ignore --ignore .jj/working_copy/working_copy.lock -c clear --bell "date; echo; jj --no-pager $@" |
| 2025-05-18 02:59:49 +0200 | <sm> | """, ""] |
| 2025-05-18 03:01:49 +0200 | end | (~end@user/end/x-0094621) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
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| 2025-05-18 03:05:41 +0200 | <sm> | I forgot a `--watch .jj` in there, more efficient |
| 2025-05-18 03:06:05 +0200 | <sm> | now I can have an updating log, op log etc like in Martin's video |
| 2025-05-18 03:09:59 +0200 | <sm> | and I can keep an eye on what other jj tools (like VJJ) are doing |
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| 2025-05-18 04:16:14 +0200 | <ski> | oh .. sorry, for some reason i missed the paste, Leary |
| 2025-05-18 04:19:19 +0200 | <Leary> | No worries. |
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| 2025-05-18 04:29:14 +0200 | <ski> | i was reminded of `IVar's, but it doesn't look like what you're doing is that similar to that (except `Identified', slightly) |
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| 2025-05-18 06:25:32 +0200 | <geekosaur> | network back, IP address changed so matrix-side may be a little flaky until the new one propagates |
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| 2025-05-18 06:48:59 +0200 | <sm> | hurrah! |
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| 2025-05-18 07:07:43 +0200 | robobub | (uid248673@id-248673.uxbridge.irccloud.com) robobub |
| 2025-05-18 07:14:40 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> i seem to recall some people hosted these temporary file sharing services and those would work, they all skipped my mind though just now |
| 2025-05-18 07:14:42 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> matrix ? |
| 2025-05-18 07:14:42 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> or https://pub.microbin.eu ? |
| 2025-05-18 07:14:42 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> https://pub.microbin.eu/upload/zebra-eagle this works |
| 2025-05-18 07:14:42 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> excellent pastebin |
| 2025-05-18 07:14:42 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> dmjio i was talking about the photo thing right, so that is how it looks now |
| 2025-05-18 07:14:42 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> you can tag photos, rename them, javascript free |
| 2025-05-18 07:14:44 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> and its stored in git+git-annex |
| 2025-05-18 07:14:45 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> https://paste.tomsmeding.com/fxesVbzl like that |
| 2025-05-18 07:14:47 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> the database is just a cache for the toml files and can be evicted at any point |
| 2025-05-18 07:14:48 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> test |
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| 2025-05-18 10:00:25 +0200 | sus0 | (zero@user/zeromomentum) zeromomentum |
| 2025-05-18 10:02:29 +0200 | Tuplanolla | (~Tuplanoll@91-159-69-59.elisa-laajakaista.fi) Tuplanolla |
| 2025-05-18 10:03:59 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> what's Haskell's killer domain, for https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44018922 ? |
| 2025-05-18 10:05:40 +0200 | Digit | (~user@user/digit) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2025-05-18 10:05:58 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> "high-assurance computing and prototyping/research" |
| 2025-05-18 10:06:28 +0200 | <Rembane> | Also parsers and compilers |
| 2025-05-18 10:06:32 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <hellwolf> ecosystem of PL nerds |
| 2025-05-18 10:06:57 +0200 | <Rembane> | And research in lazily evaluated programming languages |
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| 2025-05-18 10:18:17 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <maerwald> High assurance computing? |
| 2025-05-18 10:18:41 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <maerwald> GHC and its RTS are underspecified black boxes |
| 2025-05-18 10:19:39 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> better: "High assurance applications and prototyping/research" |
| 2025-05-18 10:20:33 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> this is in context of the above article, where each language gets 4-6 words for a general audience |
| 2025-05-18 10:21:37 +0200 | tromp | (~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:ace7:b293:8f4:7479) (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) |
| 2025-05-18 10:21:42 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> * 1-6 |
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| 2025-05-18 11:40:19 +0200 | lxsameer | (~lxsameer@Serene/lxsameer) lxsameer |
| 2025-05-18 11:44:11 +0200 | <lxsameer> | hey folks, how do you model a data type with one constructor, in such a way that every value of that type is a distinct value, so no two value are equal? the constructor does not take any input. it's literally `data X = X` |
| 2025-05-18 11:45:38 +0200 | <lxsameer> | for example, in an implementation of this type in an imperative lang, they just left it to the memory manager to choose a distinct address for each new value |
| 2025-05-18 11:45:50 +0200 | <lxsameer> | and compare elements of this type based on their address |
| 2025-05-18 11:47:00 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | lxsameer: give it an Int field, don't export the constructor, and expose a smart constructor that increments a global IORef? |
| 2025-05-18 11:47:14 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | obligatory warning: use atomicModifyIORef', and put NOINLINE on functions with unsafePerformIO |
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| 2025-05-18 11:47:47 +0200 | <lxsameer> | tomsmeding: thank you |
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| 2025-05-18 11:50:37 +0200 | <mauke> | instance Eq X where _ == _ = False |
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| 2025-05-18 12:02:30 +0200 | <lxsameer> | mauke: a value is still equal to itself |
| 2025-05-18 12:04:11 +0200 | <mauke> | equal in what sense? |
| 2025-05-18 12:04:34 +0200 | <lxsameer> | sameness |
| 2025-05-18 12:09:22 +0200 | <mauke> | what does that mean |
| 2025-05-18 12:10:01 +0200 | <lxsameer> | a = X; b = X; c = a; a /= b; a == c |
| 2025-05-18 12:10:04 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-05-18 12:13:27 +0200 | <mauke> | oh, you *want* it to be equal |
| 2025-05-18 12:13:43 +0200 | <mauke> | yeah, that's not a thing |
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| 2025-05-18 12:35:23 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | the fact that you need ugliness like unsafePerformIO in my suggestion shows what you're asking for :p |
| 2025-05-18 12:35:39 +0200 | <lxsameer> | ah haskell has a Unique type too |
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| 2025-05-18 12:36:13 +0200 | <lxsameer> | essentially it seems like the same thing that tomsmeding suggested |
| 2025-05-18 12:36:28 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | yes, but you still need to write the unsafePerformIO yourself |
| 2025-05-18 12:36:51 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | well here is indeed precisely what I suggested, lol https://hackage.haskell.org/package/ghc-internal-9.1201.0/docs/src/GHC.Internal.Data.Unique.html#U… |
| 2025-05-18 12:37:04 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | except you probably need another unsafePerformIO around newUnique |
| 2025-05-18 12:38:18 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | the comments below newUnique are interesting to read: apparently it was an MVar before, then it became STM, and then it became an IORef |
| 2025-05-18 12:38:55 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | given current state of things in GHC Haskell, I would never even consider using something else than an IORef, but because these things harken from >12 years ago, perhaps the runtime behaved differently |
| 2025-05-18 12:40:12 +0200 | wootehfoot | (~wootehfoo@user/wootehfoot) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) |
| 2025-05-18 12:40:45 +0200 | <Rembane> | So things became less and less safe and faster and faster over time? |
| 2025-05-18 12:40:56 +0200 | euleritian | (~euleritia@ip4d17f864.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
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| 2025-05-18 12:44:18 +0200 | <lxsameer> | hmmmm but i think it's better to rethink the approach |
| 2025-05-18 12:44:31 +0200 | wootehfoot | (~wootehfoo@user/wootehfoot) wootehfoot |
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| 2025-05-18 12:48:43 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | Rembane: why less safe? |
| 2025-05-18 12:49:27 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | the move from MVar to STM lost fairness; I would not call that "safety", but it's perhaps close enough. But STM -> IORef doesn't lose anything |
| 2025-05-18 12:49:38 +0200 | <Rembane> | tomsmeding: Maybe I have misunderstood everything but I thought MVar was more safe than STM that was more safe than IORef, but I don't know why. So it might just be something I got wrong. |
| 2025-05-18 12:49:41 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | (in this particular application) |
| 2025-05-18 12:49:47 +0200 | <Rembane> | Got it! |
| 2025-05-18 12:49:53 +0200 | <lxsameer> | tomsmeding: no, I'm trying to port a legacy code (which is in very old scheme) to haskell, what is happening there is not necessarily the right way to implement it in haskell |
| 2025-05-18 12:50:08 +0200 | <lxsameer> | ah sorry, it wasn't for me |
| 2025-05-18 12:50:41 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | Rembane: MVar is a mutable variable with guaranteed FIFO queueing; STM is optimistic concurrency that has various sources of overhead but avoids locking in the happy path of no contention |
| 2025-05-18 12:50:43 +0200 | LainIwakura | (~LainIwaku@user/LainIwakura) LainIwakura |
| 2025-05-18 12:50:58 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | STM doesn't give any concurrency guarantees, just the observation that in practice it works really well |
| 2025-05-18 12:51:07 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | IORef is just... a mutable thing |
| 2025-05-18 12:51:22 +0200 | <Rembane> | tomsmeding: Maybe that's the point. Hm... because I've learned them in the context of concurrency. |
| 2025-05-18 12:51:24 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | it seems to me that "obviously" atomicModifyIORef' is the fastest |
| 2025-05-18 12:51:37 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | it does just an atomic update, whereas MVar and STM do a whole lot more |
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| 2025-05-18 12:52:20 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | lxsameer: I'm not saying you're doing the wrong thing, just indicating that what you're doing isn't very haskell-like, and the language complains by making you do ugly things. :) |
| 2025-05-18 12:52:54 +0200 | tomsmeding | works almost daily with programs that use this particular ID generation trick, so I'm tainted too |
| 2025-05-18 12:52:55 +0200 | <lxsameer> | tomsmeding: that's a good summary of it |
| 2025-05-18 12:54:14 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | Rembane: I learned them in the context of concurrency too! Specifically, in the context of having to teach concurrency to bachelor students in a course that uses haskell :p |
| 2025-05-18 12:54:26 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | (I knew them decently well before that, but more in detail now) |
| 2025-05-18 12:54:43 +0200 | fp1 | (~Thunderbi@hof1.kyla.fi) fp |
| 2025-05-18 12:55:01 +0200 | <Rembane> | tomsmeding: That's a really good trick to learn something! :D |
| 2025-05-18 12:55:07 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | it is :) |
| 2025-05-18 12:55:14 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | just a bit hard to pull off, sometimes |
| 2025-05-18 12:55:34 +0200 | <Rembane> | Totally. "Hi there friends, of course you want to learn this complicated thing..." |
| 2025-05-18 12:56:50 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | Rembane: in some senses, STM is safer than MVar: you get actual transactions that act like transactions, in that they're atomic; with MVars, you have to do the work yourself so that you don't get into deadlocks |
| 2025-05-18 12:57:14 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | you can do the classical thing of having two MVars, A and B, and have thread 1 lock A and then B, and have thread 2 lock B and then A |
| 2025-05-18 12:57:18 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | voilĂ , deadlock |
| 2025-05-18 12:57:20 +0200 | <Rembane> | \Ĺ“/ |
| 2025-05-18 12:57:43 +0200 | <Rembane> | tomsmeding: It just struck me that it's such a luxury to have proper transactions outside of a database. |
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| 2025-05-18 12:58:21 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | on the other hand, MVar gives you fairness, whereas with STM, if you have very long transactions and multiple of those are trying to run concurrently, they can restart and restart and restart and never actually finish |
| 2025-05-18 12:58:45 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | there is always a probability of one finishing and getting out of the livelock, but it can take a while in the absolute worst case |
| 2025-05-18 12:59:10 +0200 | troydm | (~troydm@user/troydm) (Quit: What is Hope? That all of your wishes and all of your dreams come true? To turn back time because things were not supposed to happen like that (C) Rau Le Creuset) |
| 2025-05-18 12:59:23 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | Rembane: it is absolutely a luxury, and it's almost impossible to do it with a sensible API in a non-pure langugae |
| 2025-05-18 12:59:28 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | so haskell is blessed :) |
| 2025-05-18 12:59:44 +0200 | <Rembane> | tomsmeding: It's so good. :D |
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| 2025-05-18 16:34:06 +0200 | <sajenim> | #join #kernel |
| 2025-05-18 16:34:11 +0200 | <sajenim> | sorry |
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| 2025-05-18 18:50:22 +0200 | euouae | (~euouae@user/euouae) euouae |
| 2025-05-18 18:51:03 +0200 | <euouae> | Hello I have a project where I read stuff from a "stream" (I call it that) and then I either: 1) output or 2) prepend to "stream" for subsequent reads. |
| 2025-05-18 18:51:28 +0200 | <euouae> | What I want to ask is if Haskell has something that I can use that does this already, a sort of byte deque. |
| 2025-05-18 18:52:03 +0200 | <euouae> | What I thought about doing is using a list of strings and a lens to treat them as one string |
| 2025-05-18 18:54:55 +0200 | Frostillicus | (~Frostilli@pool-71-174-119-69.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 2025-05-18 18:57:08 +0200 | <euouae> | Nevermind I guess that's what I'll do :) |
| 2025-05-18 18:57:08 +0200 | euouae | (~euouae@user/euouae) () |
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| 2025-05-18 19:26:17 +0200 | ystael | (~ystael@user/ystael) ystael |
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| 2025-05-18 19:36:07 +0200 | j1n37- | (~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37 |
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| 2025-05-18 19:41:57 +0200 | peterbecich | (~Thunderbi@syn-047-229-123-186.res.spectrum.com) peterbecich |
| 2025-05-18 19:44:44 +0200 | <__monty__> | @tell euouae Consider looking at Data.Sequence for double-ended operations. |
| 2025-05-18 19:44:44 +0200 | <lambdabot> | Consider it noted. |
| 2025-05-18 19:45:26 +0200 | tzh | (~tzh@c-76-115-131-146.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 2025-05-18 19:46:21 +0200 | Sgeo | (~Sgeo@user/sgeo) Sgeo |
| 2025-05-18 19:47:54 +0200 | <monochrom> | Although, it is not very fast. |
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| 2025-05-18 20:42:42 +0200 | sprotte24 | (~sprotte24@p200300d16f0fc00010c55f6c38487736.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
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| 2025-05-18 20:53:28 +0200 | bitmapper | (uid464869@id-464869.lymington.irccloud.com) bitmapper |
| 2025-05-18 20:53:28 +0200 | GdeVolpiano | (~GdeVolpia@user/GdeVolpiano) GdeVolpiano |
| 2025-05-18 20:55:33 +0200 | <__monty__> | Neither is `[String]` for operations on both ends though. |
| 2025-05-18 20:55:41 +0200 | <__monty__> | It's plenty fast for AoC : ) |
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| 2025-05-18 21:38:25 +0200 | <[exa]> | is there any technical difference between packages OpenGLRaw and gl ? The FFI code looks kinda confusingly same to me, I expected I'd be able to see at least something that's different |
| 2025-05-18 21:39:54 +0200 | pavonia | (~user@user/siracusa) siracusa |
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| 2025-05-18 21:44:41 +0200 | infinity0 | (~infinity0@pwned.gg) infinity0 |
| 2025-05-18 21:46:26 +0200 | <EvanR> | both OpenGLRaw and gl are supposed to be a direct reflection of the C api |
| 2025-05-18 21:46:42 +0200 | <EvanR> | so I expect no difference if they both achieved |
| 2025-05-18 21:47:05 +0200 | <EvanR> | why do we need two, not sure, but OpenGLRaw originally didn't exist |
| 2025-05-18 21:47:31 +0200 | <EvanR> | I mean we don't need two, but why did OpenGLRaw happen I don't know |
| 2025-05-18 21:47:40 +0200 | <[exa]> | like, gl seems a lil more organized |
| 2025-05-18 21:47:50 +0200 | <[exa]> | but that's it |
| 2025-05-18 21:48:05 +0200 | <[exa]> | I expected e.g. some radically different way to get the gl function pointers or so |
| 2025-05-18 21:48:14 +0200 | <EvanR> | that would be OpenGL not-Raw |
| 2025-05-18 21:48:19 +0200 | <EvanR> | it's radically different |
| 2025-05-18 21:49:05 +0200 | Pozyomka | (~pyon@user/pyon) pyon |
| 2025-05-18 21:49:45 +0200 | <[exa]> | nah the OpenGL is very wrapped |
| 2025-05-18 21:51:19 +0200 | <[exa]> | ok anyway I just wanted to change the way the ffi is done a very little and see if it explodes |