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2025-05-11 00:15:42 +0000 <EvanR> by changing it to fmap (Food . Raw) (unfix p) it even type checks
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2025-05-11 00:21:46 +0000 <EvanR> add Burned constructor for when things aren't going good in the kitchen
2025-05-11 00:32:14 +0000 <monochrom> "hledger: How to Cook The Books in Haskell" >:)
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2025-05-11 00:36:16 +0000 <hellwolf> class Typeable (a :: k) where typeRep# :: TypeRep a
2025-05-11 00:36:27 +0000 <hellwolf> what is this "typeRep#" that I can't access?
2025-05-11 00:38:21 +0000 <monochrom> GHC wants you to use "deriving Typeable" for consistency and uniqueness, and not write your own instances.
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2025-05-11 01:01:46 +0000 <geekosaur> it doesn't even want that any more
2025-05-11 01:02:00 +0000 <geekosaur> ghc derives Typeable implicitly for all types
2025-05-11 01:03:19 +0000 <geekosaur> well, maybe it wants to see an explicit `deriving Typeable`, but the extension has been removed (will get a warning with -Wall) and is always on in effect
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2025-05-11 01:13:05 +0000 <EvanR> Typeable forall
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2025-05-11 02:13:51 +0000 <EvanR> https://paste.tomsmeding.com/G9csUJBE
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2025-05-11 21:46:11 +0000 <EvanR> in the paper I'm a number not a name, it wraps and unwraps programs by converting between free variables (names) and debruijn indices. If you always unwrap a binder and substitute the names that were originally erased by wrapping and binding, no conflict occurs. But now I'm wondering what the point was
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2025-05-11 22:41:16 +0000 <EvanR> must be for inevitable alpha conversion
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2025-05-11 23:50:39 +0000 <monochrom> Too lazy to read that paper, but here is a common mistake ("variable capture") when using names: ((\x y -> x + y) y) z = (\y -> y + y) z = z + z instead of y + z. De Bruijn numbering (or other numbering schemes) are not vulnerable to this mistake, the two "y"s have different IDs.
2025-05-11 23:53:25 +0000 <monochrom> Lisp macros, at least for old Lisp, are also vulnerable. When the Scheme people say "hygienic macros" they mean that macro expansion takes care not to make that mistake again.
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2025-05-11 23:55:41 +0000 <monochrom> Template Haskell gives you two functions for creating names, so that you can choose whether you want variable capture or not per variable. (There are legit use cases when you want it.)