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2025-04-02 07:47:28 +0000 <[exa]> Liamzee: oh wow the linear-base fix is in
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2025-04-02 07:51:37 +0000 <tomsmeding> teamwork :)
2025-04-02 07:53:02 +0000lisbeths(uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com) lisbeths
2025-04-02 07:57:55 +0000machinedgod(~machinedg@d108-173-18-100.abhsia.telus.net) machinedgod
2025-04-02 08:02:08 +0000 <Digit> TIL the programming language we're using is called "God Helmet". ("Haskell" Norse name meaning.) :)
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2025-04-02 08:14:05 +0000 <haskellbridge> <thirdofmay18081814goya> does anyone know how to get "hint" to interpret source files that contain imports?
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2025-04-02 08:18:56 +0000 <haskellbridge> <thirdofmay18081814goya> oh nvm just build with the option to export an env file
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2025-04-02 08:31:21 +0000Digitteknohippie(~user@user/digit) Digit
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2025-04-02 12:04:03 +0000 <haskellbridge> <thirdofmay18081814goya> does anyone know what's the analogue to "readFile" as a yampa "SF" function?
2025-04-02 12:13:52 +0000 <haskellbridge> <thirdofmay18081814goya> ah nvm, it's not supposed to be an "SF" function but an input function for "reactimate" (i think)
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2025-04-02 16:55:04 +0000 <EvanR> in haskell and elixir the value of pi is displayed by default as 3.141592653589793
2025-04-02 16:55:48 +0000 <EvanR> but if you use the float.h DBL_DECIMAL_DIG to choose number of significant digits to printf M_PI
2025-04-02 16:56:39 +0000 <EvanR> you get 3.1415926535897931
2025-04-02 16:57:14 +0000 <EvanR> is C the odd man out here on acceptable round tripping of floats
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2025-04-02 16:57:29 +0000ft(~ft@p508db463.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) ft
2025-04-02 16:58:20 +0000 <int-e> > read (show pi) == pi
2025-04-02 16:58:21 +0000 <lambdabot> True
2025-04-02 16:59:33 +0000 <EvanR> it (sometimes?) seems that DBL_DECIMAL_DIG with %g shows one more digit than necessary
2025-04-02 16:59:51 +0000 <int-e> > read "3.1415926535897931" == pi
2025-04-02 16:59:53 +0000 <lambdabot> True
2025-04-02 16:59:59 +0000 <int-e> > read "3.1415926535897930" == pi
2025-04-02 17:00:01 +0000 <lambdabot> True
2025-04-02 17:00:20 +0000 <EvanR> > printf "%.17g" pi :: String
2025-04-02 17:00:21 +0000 <lambdabot> "3.14159265358979300"
2025-04-02 17:00:28 +0000 <int-e> > (length (show (2*sqrt 2)), length (show pi))
2025-04-02 17:00:30 +0000 <lambdabot> (18,17)
2025-04-02 17:00:56 +0000 <EvanR> haskell printf is playing a different game
2025-04-02 17:00:59 +0000 <int-e> printf is built on top of `show`, isn't it
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2025-04-02 17:03:02 +0000 <EvanR> ruby is agreeing with elixir and haskell
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2025-04-02 17:03:51 +0000 <EvanR> and python
2025-04-02 17:06:24 +0000 <int-e> well it should arguable produce a truncated and properly rounded approximation of 3.141592653589793115997963468544185161590576171875 = toRational pi
2025-04-02 17:06:50 +0000 <int-e> so 3.1415926535897931 is better in that sense than 3.1415926535897930
2025-04-02 17:08:15 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-04-02 17:10:11 +0000 <EvanR> yes but all these other languages are using a "better" (shorter) approximation that still works
2025-04-02 17:10:25 +0000 <int-e> % GHC.Internal.Float.floatToDigits 10 pi
2025-04-02 17:10:25 +0000 <yahb2> ([3,1,4,1,5,9,2,6,5,3,5,8,9,7,9,3],1)
2025-04-02 17:11:01 +0000 <int-e> That's all the digits you'll get from GHC's implementation of `show` and `Numeric`
2025-04-02 17:13:16 +0000peterbecich(~Thunderbi@syn-047-229-123-186.res.spectrum.com) peterbecich
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2025-04-02 17:25:51 +0000 <EvanR> looking for a float which haskell prints out with 17 sigfigs instead of 16, to see if DBL_DECIMAL_DIG is not full of shit xD
2025-04-02 17:26:16 +0000 <int-e> > show (sqrt 8)
2025-04-02 17:26:17 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-04-02 17:26:17 +0000 <lambdabot> "2.8284271247461903"
2025-04-02 17:26:38 +0000 <int-e> > show (sqrt 8)
2025-04-02 17:26:40 +0000 <lambdabot> "2.8284271247461903"
2025-04-02 17:26:49 +0000 <int-e> > show (pi / 2)
2025-04-02 17:26:51 +0000 <lambdabot> "1.5707963267948966"
2025-04-02 17:27:24 +0000 <int-e> (it's less likely to use 16 digits between 1 and 2 than between 2 and 4)
2025-04-02 17:27:31 +0000 <int-e> (well, I think)
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2025-04-02 17:29:09 +0000 <int-e> > show (pi-2) -- checking that theory
2025-04-02 17:29:11 +0000 <lambdabot> "1.1415926535897931"
2025-04-02 17:30:54 +0000 <EvanR> > show pi
2025-04-02 17:30:54 +0000peterbecich(~Thunderbi@syn-047-229-123-186.res.spectrum.com) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-04-02 17:30:55 +0000 <lambdabot> "3.141592653589793"
2025-04-02 17:31:01 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2025-04-02 17:31:08 +0000 <EvanR> lol, pi is like the only one which is short xD
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2025-04-02 17:31:25 +0000 <EvanR> note to self not a great "random irrational"
2025-04-02 17:31:45 +0000 <c_wraith> technically, its operating constraint is that it produces the shortest decimal that parses back to the same bit pattern.
2025-04-02 17:31:54 +0000 <EvanR> > read "1.1415926535897931" :: Double
2025-04-02 17:31:55 +0000 <lambdabot> 1.1415926535897931
2025-04-02 17:32:01 +0000 <EvanR> > read "1.1415926535897930" :: Double
2025-04-02 17:32:03 +0000 <lambdabot> 1.141592653589793
2025-04-02 17:32:14 +0000 <EvanR> c_wraith, right, it seems many languages do this
2025-04-02 17:32:28 +0000 <int-e> > read "1.1415926535897929" :: Double
2025-04-02 17:32:29 +0000 <lambdabot> 1.141592653589793
2025-04-02 17:32:53 +0000 <EvanR> I guess C is so old they "never thought of it"
2025-04-02 17:33:16 +0000 <EvanR> though %g does produce a shorter version if it would end in zeros
2025-04-02 17:33:28 +0000 <EvanR> it doesn't produce "shortest representation that would parse back to the original value"
2025-04-02 17:33:50 +0000 <c_wraith> yeah, it's actually hard to get that behavior from C
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2025-04-02 17:34:47 +0000 <int-e> > show (19/12)
2025-04-02 17:34:49 +0000 <lambdabot> "1.5833333333333333"
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2025-04-02 17:38:04 +0000 <int-e> EvanR: evidence for "this is more likely between 2 and 4 than it is between 1 and 2": https://paste.tomsmeding.com/N7G3UvE3
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2025-04-02 17:38:47 +0000 <EvanR> I would think floats is more or less isomorphic between those two intervals. But I guess the relation between decimal and float is not
2025-04-02 17:39:21 +0000 <c_wraith> yeah.. You can get up to 3 bits in the first digit
2025-04-02 17:39:32 +0000 <c_wraith> If the number starts with 8 or 9
2025-04-02 17:39:44 +0000 <int-e> but the least significant bit has 2x more weight between 2 and 4 than between 1 and 2, so there are cases where you can round more.
2025-04-02 17:40:17 +0000 <c_wraith> Uh. I suppose I actually mean > 8, < 10
2025-04-02 17:41:02 +0000 <EvanR> I feel like you're probably saying something that makes sense
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2025-04-02 17:41:20 +0000 <EvanR> dunno what though xD
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2025-04-02 17:43:02 +0000 <EvanR> there is a lot going on in int-e's post
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2025-04-02 18:43:35 +0000 <monochrom> IIRC there was a paper linked here about an algorithm for the shortest decimal form that still gets you the floating point value you want.
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2025-04-02 18:50:29 +0000 <EvanR> https://www.cs.tufts.edu/~nr/cs257/archive/florian-loitsch/printf.pdf ?
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2025-04-02 19:02:48 +0000 <EvanR> it's funny that parsing the float is relatively easy (?)
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2025-04-02 21:51:58 +0000 <EvanR> https://www.ryanjuckett.com/printing-floating-point-numbers/ the first part of the first post in this blog series has some summary of the history and references (but not to Clinger 90s paper)
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2025-04-02 22:01:48 +0000AlexZenon(~alzenon@178.34.150.194)
2025-04-02 22:03:09 +0000 <EvanR> dragon algorithm (Steele90) prints out a float in decimal and bellerophon undoes it (Clinger90)
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2025-04-02 22:07:51 +0000 <EvanR> Steele and White's paper bases the description of the printing problem (the shortest decimal representation which could be read back in to get the original correct value) on a hypothetical algorithm that would read in a string and get the closest float approximation
2025-04-02 22:08:29 +0000 <EvanR> but people working on an IEEE standard for scheme were wondering if any such algorithm existed
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2025-04-02 22:10:23 +0000 <EvanR> Clinger worked on it and in a first draft, supposed that Steel and White's algorithm existed, and possibly use it as a fallback in case the efficient part of his algorithm failed (guess and check)
2025-04-02 22:10:38 +0000 <EvanR> until somebody mentioned that that's probably problematic
2025-04-02 22:12:45 +0000 <EvanR> (e.g. if you have a float that is known to be close to the closest approximation of the decimal number, then you can try to print out a few floats around it to see if they work better)
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2025-04-02 22:17:22 +0000 <EvanR> Theorem 5 of Clinger: For n >= 5, no finite automaton computes the significand of the best n-bit binary floating approximation to f x 10^e where f and e are presented in base 10
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