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| 2025-03-02 02:18:45 +0000 | Inst | (~Inst@user/Inst) Inst |
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| 2025-03-02 02:19:03 +0000 | <Inst> | if it makes you happy, Rust's ergonomics is, at least at first glance, nightmarish |
| 2025-03-02 02:19:10 +0000 | k_hachig_ | (~k_hachig@2607:fea8:351d:ef0:35c6:9be8:bd26:143) k_hachig |
| 2025-03-02 02:19:11 +0000 | j1n37 | (~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37 |
| 2025-03-02 02:20:15 +0000 | <Inst> | the match is objectively worse than Haskell's because types don't have capitalization requirements, so if you remove a variant without prefixing the namespace, it just turns into a catchall on the pattern match |
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| 2025-03-02 02:25:16 +0000 | yegorc | (~yegorc@user/yegorc) yegorc |
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| 2025-03-02 02:28:53 +0000 | Inst | (~Inst@user/Inst) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2025-03-02 02:35:16 +0000 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> not to worry, someone just released an emacs package to hide all the annoying parts of rust syntax :) |
| 2025-03-02 02:37:30 +0000 | harveypwca | (~harveypwc@2601:246:d080:f6e0:34b5:bbb2:c6c:1ef6) HarveyPwca |
| 2025-03-02 02:40:50 +0000 | xff0x | (~xff0x@2405:6580:b080:900:decf:3f06:84d:1232) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2025-03-02 02:42:45 +0000 | xff0x | (~xff0x@2405:6580:b080:900:d598:ae0d:2d4c:9e23) |
| 2025-03-02 02:47:37 +0000 | mange | (~user@user/mange) mange |
| 2025-03-02 02:51:39 +0000 | <yin> | kaol: I recently worked on a project which used both Graphics.Gloss.Data.Color and Data.Colour. Fun times |
| 2025-03-02 02:54:56 +0000 | alfiee | (~alfiee@user/alfiee) alfiee |
| 2025-03-02 02:55:40 +0000 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> oh, check this out: an as-yet-unexplained mystery about less supporting only --use-colour https://github.com/simonmichael/hledger/issues/2335 |
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| 2025-03-02 03:02:51 +0000 | <vicfred> | what is this haskellbridge bridging to? |
| 2025-03-02 03:03:33 +0000 | <mauke> | matrix |
| 2025-03-02 03:04:03 +0000 | <mauke> | more specifically, #haskell-irc:matrix.org |
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| 2025-03-02 03:26:54 +0000 | vicfred | (~vicfred@user/vicfred) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2025-03-02 03:33:32 +0000 | <spew> | I thought matrix bridges got banned |
| 2025-03-02 03:34:31 +0000 | k_hachig_ | (~k_hachig@2607:fea8:351d:ef0:35c6:9be8:bd26:143) k_hachig |
| 2025-03-02 03:36:07 +0000 | <dmoerner> | only imperative ones |
| 2025-03-02 03:38:48 +0000 | k_hachig_ | (~k_hachig@2607:fea8:351d:ef0:35c6:9be8:bd26:143) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
| 2025-03-02 03:40:03 +0000 | <geekosaur> | the big mother bridge got banned, smaller ones are okay |
| 2025-03-02 03:41:26 +0000 | <mauke> | https://libera.chat/guides/matrix#can-i-still-connect-with-matrix |
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| 2025-03-02 09:23:20 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | int-e: somehow, while reloading and shadowing in ghci, finalizers of the earlier values _do_ get called. So apparently yesterday's conclusion of shadowing not making ghci forget the previous value may be incorrect |
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| 2025-03-02 10:25:51 +0000 | fp | (~Thunderbi@87-92-155-24.rev.dnainternet.fi) fp |
| 2025-03-02 10:42:20 +0000 | alfiee | (~alfiee@user/alfiee) alfiee |
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| 2025-03-02 10:51:41 +0000 | sprotte24 | (~sprotte24@p200300d16f0b610055520ee12b1b427b.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 2025-03-02 10:54:12 +0000 | <int-e> | tomsmeding: hmm maybe you got thwarted by `it` then? see https://paste.tomsmeding.com/pgn6a561 |
| 2025-03-02 10:54:34 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | int-e: I made sude to evaluate something else in between |
| 2025-03-02 10:54:51 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | in fact, the act of shadowing requires it ;) |
| 2025-03-02 11:01:57 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | ah, `:r` seems to destroy bound variables |
| 2025-03-02 11:02:02 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | so that's what did the trick, I think |
| 2025-03-02 11:04:24 +0000 | <int-e> | Hah from the way you phrased the question the other day I thought you knew that. |
| 2025-03-02 11:07:22 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | I may have known it at some point :p |
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| 2025-03-02 15:24:39 +0000 | monochrm | monochrom |
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| 2025-03-02 15:31:47 +0000 | machinedgod | (~machinedg@d108-173-18-100.abhsia.telus.net) machinedgod |
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| 2025-03-02 15:48:33 +0000 | messewix | (~jmc@c-73-204-219-232.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 2025-03-02 15:48:33 +0000 | messewix | (~jmc@c-73-204-219-232.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) (Changing host) |
| 2025-03-02 15:48:33 +0000 | messewix | (~jmc@user/messewix) messewix |
| 2025-03-02 15:53:12 +0000 | Smiles | (uid551636@id-551636.lymington.irccloud.com) Smiles |
| 2025-03-02 15:56:48 +0000 | ljdarj | (~Thunderbi@user/ljdarj) ljdarj |
| 2025-03-02 16:02:29 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | does any of the old-timers here know how long ircbrowse actually ran under Chris Done |
| 2025-03-02 16:03:30 +0000 | j1n37- | (~j1n37@user/j1n37) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2025-03-02 16:04:09 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | the current instance has almost 4 years' worth of libera.chat logs, and the database is falling over |
| 2025-03-02 16:04:27 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | the batch import is O(n) in the total number of _existing_ events in a room |
| 2025-03-02 16:04:43 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | I was too lazy to fix things so far but imports are starting to take MINUTES |
| 2025-03-02 16:04:54 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | and everything is slowly breaking down |
| 2025-03-02 16:06:46 +0000 | j1n37 | (~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37 |
| 2025-03-02 16:09:12 +0000 | vanishingideal | (~vanishing@user/vanishingideal) vanishingideal |
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| 2025-03-02 17:03:44 +0000 | vanishingideal | (~vanishing@user/vanishingideal) (Remote host closed the connection) |
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| 2025-03-02 17:16:16 +0000 | k_hachig_ | (~k_hachig@2607:fea8:351d:ef0:35c6:9be8:bd26:143) k_hachig |
| 2025-03-02 17:19:32 +0000 | Square | (~Square@user/square) Square |
| 2025-03-02 17:27:00 +0000 | vanishingideal | (~vanishing@user/vanishingideal) vanishingideal |
| 2025-03-02 17:29:04 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | ah it's not quite so bad as it seemed, it's mostly taking long because someone is spamming ircbrowse with requests |
| 2025-03-02 17:29:22 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | welcome to the AI age, server administrator edition |
| 2025-03-02 17:34:05 +0000 | weary-traveler | (~user@user/user363627) user363627 |
| 2025-03-02 17:36:45 +0000 | <yushyin> | My servers also get ddos attacked by these stupid ai scrapping bots constantly ... |
| 2025-03-02 17:37:21 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | mostly I care little, but ircbrowse generates HTML in haskell and does database queries for everything, so some spam actually has an impact on performance |
| 2025-03-02 17:37:38 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | a big impact |
| 2025-03-02 17:38:35 +0000 | weary-traveler | (~user@user/user363627) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2025-03-02 17:39:08 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | it's off-and-on: sometimes there's a spam of incoming requests, other times it's completely quiet; this strongly suggests web-enabled generative AI |
| 2025-03-02 17:39:35 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | but then the requests are coming from a large set of IPs and with varying user agents |
| 2025-03-02 17:40:08 +0000 | weary-traveler | (~user@user/user363627) user363627 |
| 2025-03-02 17:41:34 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | geoip points them to all over the place, too |
| 2025-03-02 17:43:20 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | I'd like to not have to put this behind cloudflare |
| 2025-03-02 17:43:36 +0000 | jmcantrell | (~weechat@user/jmcantrell) jmcantrell |
| 2025-03-02 17:43:57 +0000 | alfiee | (~alfiee@user/alfiee) alfiee |
| 2025-03-02 17:44:45 +0000 | Digitteknohippie | Digit |
| 2025-03-02 17:47:52 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | this is what that looks like https://tomsmeding.com/ss/get/tomsmeding/PezWN1 |
| 2025-03-02 17:48:11 +0000 | alfiee | (~alfiee@user/alfiee) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2025-03-02 17:48:42 +0000 | ash3en | (~Thunderbi@2a03:7846:b6eb:101:93ac:a90a:da67:f207) ash3en |
| 2025-03-02 17:48:54 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | I guess the conclusion is: apologies all if ircbrowse is slow or non-responsive, I'm being DOS'ed |
| 2025-03-02 17:51:55 +0000 | <yushyin> | Yes, pretty much the same deal for my services |
| 2025-03-02 17:59:19 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | I'm even getting blasts of "too many open files" on http accept |
| 2025-03-02 17:59:40 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | are these people actually so incompetent |
| 2025-03-02 18:02:42 +0000 | ash3en | (~Thunderbi@2a03:7846:b6eb:101:93ac:a90a:da67:f207) (Quit: ash3en) |
| 2025-03-02 18:12:15 +0000 | Smiles | (uid551636@id-551636.lymington.irccloud.com) (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) |
| 2025-03-02 18:18:09 +0000 | xstill_ | (xstill@fimu/xstill) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2025-03-02 18:18:24 +0000 | xstill_ | (xstill@fimu/xstill) xstill |
| 2025-03-02 18:27:52 +0000 | <monochrom> | This is wishful thinking but it makes me happy to believe: Yes bad people are dumb. >:) |
| 2025-03-02 18:28:34 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | monochrom: it almost seems so, doesn't it? Surely that's wishful thinking |
| 2025-03-02 18:28:56 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | I'm not even sure these are bad people per se, though they're certainly dumb |
| 2025-03-02 18:30:35 +0000 | <monochrom> | The next sentence has data support but clearly has a non-survival bias: In all caught cases of homework/exam cheating, the student acted dumbly. :D |
| 2025-03-02 18:30:55 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | that observation applies also to spam email |
| 2025-03-02 18:31:00 +0000 | <monochrom> | "proved by data and logic" |
| 2025-03-02 18:31:11 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | and it always makes me uncomfortable precisely because of that non-surivership bias |
| 2025-03-02 18:31:41 +0000 | alfiee | (~alfiee@user/alfiee) alfiee |
| 2025-03-02 18:32:23 +0000 | <monochrom> | Oh spam-and-scam emails is different. The experts say that they look dumb to us because we are not vulnerable, but they look true and convincing to vulnerable people. |
| 2025-03-02 18:33:40 +0000 | <monochrom> | Or in other words, the phrasings that triggers us to think "this is sus" is precisely what triggers the victims to think "this is true". |
| 2025-03-02 18:34:11 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | it's not just phrasings, it's strange spelling mistakes, unicode lookalike letter substitutes (that are not actually particularly lookalike) |
| 2025-03-02 18:34:33 +0000 | <monochrom> | I think those are just for evading bayesian spam filters. |
| 2025-03-02 18:34:42 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | if that is to avoid spam filters then they are dumb because it's absolutely trivial to detect precisely this |
| 2025-03-02 18:36:05 +0000 | alfiee | (~alfiee@user/alfiee) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2025-03-02 18:39:10 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | somehow these dumb people also have access to a shit ton of IPs; do they run a botnet? |
| 2025-03-02 18:40:26 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | here's a plot of the number of requests per minute for the past ~4 days to this VPS: https://tomsmeding.com/vang/niwHys/plot.png (it also runs one other service besides ircbrowse, but the majority is ircbrowse traffic) |
| 2025-03-02 18:41:18 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | those huge spikes are ircbrowse spam traffic; if I collect all IPs that appear in the minutes with >500 requests in this dataset, then I get 112249 events with 105293 unique IPs |
| 2025-03-02 18:42:01 +0000 | <monochrom> | On the bright side, we know that Haskell is mainstream when bad actors care about Haskell websites. >:) |
| 2025-03-02 18:42:15 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | of which only 124 are IPv6, so they have roughly 100000 unique IPv4??? |
| 2025-03-02 18:42:52 +0000 | <monochrom> | They commandeer normal people's Windows PCs so yeah 100000 is peanuts. |
| 2025-03-02 18:42:53 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | monochrom: I'm not sure if "care" is the right word :p |
| 2025-03-02 18:43:14 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | right, a botnet is what that's called |
| 2025-03-02 18:43:59 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | but then I don't understand it any more; is this AI training or inference, and if so, why are they using a botnet? Would be interesting if that gets out into the public |
| 2025-03-02 18:44:22 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | and if it _isn't_ training an AI model, then what on Earth do they want with ircbrowse logs |
| 2025-03-02 18:44:29 +0000 | <monochrom> | This is why I am upset at normal people's "I have nothing of value on my PC so I won't patch I don't care". Dude, you are being a bad citizen, you are like anti-vaxxers. |
| 2025-03-02 18:45:41 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | you can counter that argument even more easily by saying "perhaps not on your PC, but surely you have at least one other LAN-connected device with stuff of value on it?" |
| 2025-03-02 18:46:01 +0000 | <monochrom> | Oh then conspiracy theory: China/Iran/Russia thinks that Haskell can help the US become great again so they target Haskell websites to slow us down. >:D |
| 2025-03-02 18:46:10 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | lol |
| 2025-03-02 18:46:29 +0000 | <yin> | i have surrendered to cloudflare a long time ago |
| 2025-03-02 18:48:36 +0000 | ash3en | (~Thunderbi@2a03:7846:b6eb:101:93ac:a90a:da67:f207) ash3en |
| 2025-03-02 18:52:02 +0000 | <yin> | monochrom: MAHA theory is entertaining but Haskell is one of the least american programming languages in prominence |
| 2025-03-02 19:03:34 +0000 | misterfish | (~misterfis@84.53.85.146) misterfish |
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| 2025-03-02 19:19:05 +0000 | alfiee | (~alfiee@user/alfiee) alfiee |
| 2025-03-02 19:23:31 +0000 | alfiee | (~alfiee@user/alfiee) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
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| 2025-03-02 19:28:11 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | reverse-engineering haskeline has taught me that to include ANSI escapes in the prompt, you have to terminate them by \STX: only then will haskeline recognise them as zero-width. Is this documented anywhere? |
| 2025-03-02 19:29:57 +0000 | <monochrom> | > ('\STX', '\STX' == '\]') |
| 2025-03-02 19:29:59 +0000 | <lambdabot> | <hint>:1:22: error: |
| 2025-03-02 19:29:59 +0000 | <lambdabot> | lexical error in string/character literal at character ']' |
| 2025-03-02 19:30:08 +0000 | ljdarj | (~Thunderbi@user/ljdarj) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2025-03-02 19:30:16 +0000 | <monochrom> | > ('\STX') |
| 2025-03-02 19:30:17 +0000 | <lambdabot> | '\STX' |
| 2025-03-02 19:30:22 +0000 | <monochrom> | :( |
| 2025-03-02 19:30:28 +0000 | <monochrom> | > ord ('\STX') |
| 2025-03-02 19:30:29 +0000 | <lambdabot> | 2 |
| 2025-03-02 19:30:35 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | do you mean ctrl-] ? |
| 2025-03-02 19:30:52 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | my terminal passes 0x1d on ctrl-] |
| 2025-03-02 19:30:53 +0000 | <geekosaur> | I believe that's actually from readline |
| 2025-03-02 19:31:07 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | iirc readline considers anything between \[ ... \] to be zero-width |
| 2025-03-02 19:31:24 +0000 | <geekosaur> | cf. https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/734343/ansi-escape-sequences-in-ps1-cause-incorrect-lengt… |
| 2025-03-02 19:32:01 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | that's zsh, which has its own magic |
| 2025-03-02 19:32:49 +0000 | notdabs | (~Owner@2600:6c40:4300:950:2d43:42a2:e2d9:67c9) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2025-03-02 19:32:54 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | https://superuser.com/a/301355 "The bash-specific \[ and \] are in fact translated to \001 and \002 at y.tab.c:7640." |
| 2025-03-02 19:32:54 +0000 | ash3en | (~Thunderbi@2a03:7846:b6eb:101:93ac:a90a:da67:f207) (Quit: ash3en) |
| 2025-03-02 19:33:11 +0000 | notdabs | (~Owner@2600:6c40:4300:950:2d43:42a2:e2d9:67c9) |
| 2025-03-02 19:33:56 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | so perhaps bash accepts the same bytes, but the \[ \] parsing _is_ bash-specific? |
| 2025-03-02 19:34:42 +0000 | <monochrom> | Oh interesting. |
| 2025-03-02 19:35:33 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | perhaps this? https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/bash.git/tree/y.tab.c#n8330 |
| 2025-03-02 19:36:14 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | I would consider all this together insufficient documentation for haskeline to accept \STX :p |
| 2025-03-02 19:36:15 +0000 | michalz | (~michalz@185.246.207.203) |
| 2025-03-02 19:38:43 +0000 | <int-e> | there's https://github.com/haskell/haskeline/wiki/ControlSequencesInPrompt |
| 2025-03-02 19:39:14 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | it would be nice if that's also in the haddocks. :) |
| 2025-03-02 19:39:39 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | I'll make a small PR |
| 2025-03-02 19:39:39 +0000 | <int-e> | Which I found because https://github.com/haskell/haskeline/issues/72 mentions a wiki :P |
| 2025-03-02 19:40:08 +0000 | <int-e> | So yeah I'd consider this hard to discover. |
| 2025-03-02 19:40:48 +0000 | Everything | (~Everythin@195.138.86.118) Everything |
| 2025-03-02 19:41:20 +0000 | <int-e> | Well, I guess the README points there too. |
| 2025-03-02 19:41:53 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | the readme which is not shown on hackage :p |
| 2025-03-02 19:42:06 +0000 | <int-e> | Still... nobody uses github wikis. It's not a thing. |
| 2025-03-02 19:42:27 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | I'm completely fine with github wikis; ace.js, the editor that the playground uses, has a whole bunch of info on a github wiki |
| 2025-03-02 19:42:55 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | but point there! If the entry point to your software is a git repository, I might look around there, but if it's a haskell library, I expect to be pointed to stuff from hackage :) |
| 2025-03-02 19:43:25 +0000 | <int-e> | https://github.com/haskell/haskeline/blob/master/haskeline.cabal#L37 ...oh no README.md there |
| 2025-03-02 19:44:24 +0000 | pavonia | (~user@user/siracusa) siracusa |
| 2025-03-02 19:44:47 +0000 | <int-e> | (If README.md was included, would hackage pick it up?) |
| 2025-03-02 19:50:06 +0000 | <monochrom> | I think yes. |
| 2025-03-02 19:52:41 +0000 | cheater_ | (~Username@user/cheater) cheater |
| 2025-03-02 19:55:04 +0000 | cheater | (~Username@user/cheater) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2025-03-02 19:55:08 +0000 | cheater_ | cheater |
| 2025-03-02 19:55:29 +0000 | Jonno_FTW | (~come@user/jonno-ftw/x-0835346) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2025-03-02 19:56:46 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | > However, the prompt string must indicate the end of each escape sequence, since there's no way for Haskeline to detect it automatically. |
| 2025-03-02 19:56:59 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | yes, there is, ANSI sequences have a well-defined set of terminator characters |
| 2025-03-02 19:57:19 +0000 | Jonno_FTW | (~come@user/jonno-ftw/x-0835346) Jonno_FTW |
| 2025-03-02 19:57:49 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | https://github.com/haskell/haskeline/pull/197 |
| 2025-03-02 19:59:52 +0000 | ljdarj | (~Thunderbi@user/ljdarj) ljdarj |
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| 2025-03-02 20:05:58 +0000 | <monochrom> | Perhaps s/no way to detect/no way I add extra logic to detect/ :) |
| 2025-03-02 20:06:19 +0000 | <tomsmeding> | likely :) |
| 2025-03-02 20:07:08 +0000 | alfiee | (~alfiee@user/alfiee) alfiee |
| 2025-03-02 20:07:51 +0000 | <geekosaur> | sadly I think there's still stuff like emacs terminal that doesn't use ANSI |
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| 2025-03-02 20:13:54 +0000 | <geekosaur> | (if you can use ANSI I've even detected them in simple shell scripts. ANSI standardization was a boon, once most older terminals died out) |
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| 2025-03-02 22:31:11 +0000 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> Is there a tool to generate version bounds from a stack package set? |
| 2025-03-02 22:31:30 +0000 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> Cabal gen-bounds generates something wayy too conservative |
| 2025-03-02 22:33:28 +0000 | alfiee | (~alfiee@user/alfiee) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2025-03-02 22:33:34 +0000 | <monochrom> | I thought stack package set were even more conservative. |
| 2025-03-02 22:33:53 +0000 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> I think we're thinking of conservative in different directions (= |
| 2025-03-02 22:34:30 +0000 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> I mean that cabal generates bounds with versions that are more recent than the ones in the latest package set for that ghc |
| 2025-03-02 22:34:39 +0000 | <monochrom> | No? stack is effectively like "base ======= 4.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0" whereas cabal is merely "base >= 4.0.0.0 && < 4.1" |
| 2025-03-02 22:35:14 +0000 | <monochrom> | OK sure but "base ======== 3.9.9.9.9.9.9.9.9" is not "less conservative". |
| 2025-03-02 22:35:57 +0000 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> Yeah, and cabal looks "which version of 'vector' can this base work with" and picks the latest possible, when in reality you can relax it and pick an older one |
| 2025-03-02 22:36:58 +0000 | <monochrom> | There is a program that can perform multiple build tests and relax bounds for you. I forgot its name. |
| 2025-03-02 22:37:37 +0000 | <monochrom> | (of course, relax bounds only when the build test succeeds) |
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| 2025-03-02 22:39:08 +0000 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> Ok, I'll try to google this |
| 2025-03-02 22:39:32 +0000 | <haskellbridge> | <Morj> For now, since I don't have many deps, I ctrl-f-ed by hand from the stackage webpage |
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| 2025-03-02 23:59:17 +0000 | <jackdk> | I just use `cabal gen-bounds` and raise the upper bounds if the newer versions work (often pushing metadata revisions). |
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