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2025-02-05 03:14:24 +0000 <cuteguest> learning abt Dicts from Data.Constraint.. my brain is being opened
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2025-02-05 04:22:08 +0000 <haskellbridge> <thirdofmay18081814goya> what are some good theory-heavy readings on optics/lenses?
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2025-02-05 06:08:05 +0000 <albet70> how to store computed value in iteration compute?
2025-02-05 06:08:57 +0000 <jackdk> thirdofmay18081814goya: I don't know the literature but you might want to try looking at categorical presentations of profunctor optics
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2025-02-05 06:22:46 +0000 <albet70> https://paste.tomsmeding.com/lzecPvyN
2025-02-05 06:23:00 +0000 <albet70> why this accum is empty in above code
2025-02-05 06:23:32 +0000 <albet70> I want accum store the previous computed values and return with k
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2025-02-05 06:28:27 +0000 <haskellbridge> <thirdofmay18081814goya> jackdk: lots of material on this, thanks a lot for the reference!
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2025-02-05 06:41:16 +0000 <Axman6> albet70: I would recommend walking through evaluating it yourself by hand. start with rec [1,2,3,0,4] [] id, expand it to (\ls -> \accum -> \k -> ...) [1,2,3,0,4] [] id, substitute in the arguments, then iterate your definition of mapK
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2025-02-05 06:47:16 +0000 <albet70> > traverse (\x -> if x ==0 then Nothing else Just (1/x)) [1,2,3,0,4]
2025-02-05 06:47:18 +0000 <lambdabot> Nothing
2025-02-05 06:47:49 +0000 <albet70> I want [1,0.5,0.333,0] not Nothing
2025-02-05 06:47:55 +0000 <int-e> :t map recip . filter (/= 0)
2025-02-05 06:47:55 +0000 <lambdabot> (Fractional b, Eq b) => [b] -> [b]
2025-02-05 06:48:10 +0000 <albet70> early return with accumulated value
2025-02-05 06:48:42 +0000 <int-e> the accumulated value might just as well not exist; `mapK` never uses it.
2025-02-05 06:49:10 +0000 <int-e> :t map recip . takeWhile (/= 0)
2025-02-05 06:49:11 +0000 <lambdabot> (Fractional b, Eq b) => [b] -> [b]
2025-02-05 06:49:35 +0000 <albet70> how to fix that code?
2025-02-05 06:49:58 +0000 <int-e> To what end? It's just horribly confusing, throw it out.
2025-02-05 06:50:54 +0000ephilalethes(~noumenon@2404:c0:2020::55a:6e53) noumenon
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2025-02-05 06:53:51 +0000 <albet70> like in traverse (\x -> if x ==0 then Nothing else Just (1/x)) [1,2,3,0,4], I want the sunccess part result
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2025-02-05 07:00:23 +0000 <int-e> well I'm not going to help you write code that you don't understand
2025-02-05 07:00:25 +0000int-eshrugs
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2025-02-05 07:09:18 +0000 <int-e> :t Data.Bool.bool
2025-02-05 07:09:19 +0000 <lambdabot> a -> a -> Bool -> a
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2025-02-05 07:59:46 +0000 <monochrom> Hell, I don't even understand the question. One may say "I am not going to write code for a question I don't understand" :)
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2025-02-05 08:03:42 +0000 <int-e> But I did understand the question (though some pieces come from the subsequent discussion) :P
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2025-02-05 08:08:52 +0000 <albet70> the question is simple, how to do early return with the previous computed result, like I want "traverse (\x -> if x ==0 then Nothing else Just (1/x)) [1,2,3,0,4]" return [0,0.5,0.333] not Nothing
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2025-02-05 08:09:51 +0000 <monochrom> Clearly, traverse+Nothing is the wrong tool then.
2025-02-05 08:09:53 +0000 <int-e> > map recip . takeWhile (/= 0) $ [1,2,3,0,4]
2025-02-05 08:09:54 +0000 <lambdabot> [1.0,0.5,0.3333333333333333]
2025-02-05 08:10:45 +0000 <monochrom> I would go for takeWhile too, then a vanilla map will nicely finish the rest.
2025-02-05 08:11:28 +0000 <albet70> what if you don't know what value will produce Nothing, then how you takeWhile?
2025-02-05 08:12:06 +0000alfiee(~alfiee@user/alfiee) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-02-05 08:12:11 +0000 <albet70> what if that lambda inside traverse is passing by outside somewhere, you don't know 0 will produce Nothing
2025-02-05 08:12:24 +0000 <monochrom> What Nothing? Just don't use Nothing.
2025-02-05 08:12:39 +0000 <int-e> :t catMaybes . takeWhile isJust
2025-02-05 08:12:40 +0000 <lambdabot> [Maybe a] -> [a]
2025-02-05 08:12:44 +0000 <albet70> then how you do early return
2025-02-05 08:12:51 +0000 <monochrom> takeWhile
2025-02-05 08:13:15 +0000 <int-e> You have laziness, why are you so obsessed with early returns?
2025-02-05 08:13:34 +0000 <int-e> It makes no sense, you're only producing overcomplicated code.
2025-02-05 08:13:42 +0000 <int-e> That doesn't work.
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2025-02-05 08:14:23 +0000Cylian(~Cylian@42.105.142.200)
2025-02-05 08:14:44 +0000 <albet70> what if that traverse f , and that f is IO stuff
2025-02-05 08:14:53 +0000ljdarj(~Thunderbi@user/ljdarj) ljdarj
2025-02-05 08:15:04 +0000 <albet70> how you takeWhile on IO a
2025-02-05 08:15:08 +0000 <monochrom> Then you pose the real question.
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2025-02-05 08:15:40 +0000 <[exa]> :t takeWhileM
2025-02-05 08:15:40 +0000 <lambdabot> error:
2025-02-05 08:15:40 +0000 <lambdabot> • Variable not in scope: takeWhileM
2025-02-05 08:15:40 +0000 <lambdabot> • Perhaps you meant one of these:
2025-02-05 08:15:44 +0000 <[exa]> :(
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2025-02-05 08:17:31 +0000 <monochrom> PM nickserv. You can get starters by PM'ing it "help"
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2025-02-05 13:49:33 +0000 <dminuoso> In conduit, I would like to connect two sinks to a conduit. Is that somehow possible?
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2025-02-05 13:54:56 +0000 <dminuoso> Though the more I keep thinking about this, the more headaches I get about exceptions and resource management.
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2025-02-05 14:51:04 +0000 <dminuoso> That said, https://hackage.haskell.org/package/conduit-1.3.6/docs/Data-Conduit.html#v:sequenceSinks seems to work.
2025-02-05 14:51:15 +0000 <dminuoso> (Or just ZipSink)
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2025-02-05 20:04:46 +0000 <lisbeths> is there anyone here who knows john tromp's binary lambda calculus?
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2025-02-05 20:13:36 +0000 <geekosaur> he used to hang out here but apparently hasn't joined since late january
2025-02-05 20:13:55 +0000 <geekosaur> (at least I think that was him)
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2025-02-05 20:25:17 +0000 <tomsmeding> isn't the BLC just a compact notation for the regular untyped lambda calculus?
2025-02-05 20:25:33 +0000 <tomsmeding> with some `interact`-style IO mechanism
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2025-02-05 21:08:07 +0000 <haskellbridge> <Bowuigi> It is, just checked the article
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2025-02-05 21:25:02 +0000 <misterfish> Hi, anyone know an up-to-date regex library which 1) works on Text 2) supports Perl regexes and 3) doesn't depend on a C lib?
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2025-02-05 21:59:16 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> misterfish: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/regex is pretty good, I don't know if it meets all of those
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2025-02-05 21:59:50 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> I don't think anything supports perl regexes except perl, but PCRE support is there. That might always require a C lib, not sure
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2025-02-05 22:01:47 +0000 <geekosaur> last I checked it did
2025-02-05 22:01:57 +0000 <geekosaur> nobody tries to replicate PCRE in Haskell
2025-02-05 22:01:59 +0000spacenautx(~spacenaut@user/spacenautx) spacenautx
2025-02-05 22:03:50 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> https://hackage.haskell.org/package/regex-tdfa is another pretty good lib that's pure haskell
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2025-02-05 22:08:40 +0000 <mauke> when you say "supports Perl regexes", you need to consider cases like /x(?{ print "hello\n"; })/
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2025-02-05 22:09:15 +0000 <dminuoso> Out of curiosity, why is not depending on a C library a requirement?
2025-02-05 22:09:52 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-02-05 22:10:26 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> easy install on windows, perhaps
2025-02-05 22:10:41 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> or running in the web browser ?
2025-02-05 22:13:49 +0000LainExperiments(~LainExper@user/LainExperiments) LainExperiments
2025-02-05 22:14:06 +0000 <misterfish> haskellbridge: thanks, I'll check it. I mean PCRE, not Perl.
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2025-02-05 22:16:00 +0000 <misterfish> dminuoso: in order to be able to install using only cabal and not also requiring the user to install a dependency, and also, to not have to use IO everywhere in order to do regex matches.
2025-02-05 22:16:22 +0000 <misterfish> and running in the browser is another example indeed
2025-02-05 22:17:29 +0000 <mauke> using a C library is orthogonal to using IO in the interface
2025-02-05 22:17:50 +0000Smiles(uid551636@id-551636.lymington.irccloud.com) Smiles
2025-02-05 22:17:52 +0000 <dminuoso> For what its worth, not depending on C libraries can be tricky given how much stuff pulls zlib in.
2025-02-05 22:18:03 +0000 <dminuoso> And what mauke said.
2025-02-05 22:18:51 +0000 <dminuoso> But I understand the motivation.
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2025-02-05 22:21:37 +0000 <misterfish> mauke: true. As a specific case, see text-icu, which uses IO.
2025-02-05 22:22:08 +0000 <misterfish> https://hackage.haskell.org/package/regex looks really good, gonna try it out.
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2025-02-05 22:29:08 +0000 <dminuoso> misterfish: Keep in mind it appears to have died out, no commits for 3 years.
2025-02-05 22:29:39 +0000 <dminuoso> Also not a fan of packages of open upper bounds.
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2025-02-05 22:59:30 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> yes sorry to see no recent updates, but it was well maintained before, so hopefully it's still good
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2025-02-05 23:01:50 +0000 <dminuoso> Or you just carry on the torch.
2025-02-05 23:02:32 +0000 <dminuoso> misterfish: Seems it never has been. Are you sure you arent suddenly using something that requires this shared object now?
2025-02-05 23:02:58 +0000 <dminuoso> Or maybe something in PA changed that induced vesktop to load that shared object.
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2025-02-05 23:05:16 +0000 <dminuoso> misterfish: Hah, its an electron app.
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