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2025-01-25 00:01:08 +0000 <hellwolf> I actually found it
2025-01-25 00:01:57 +0000 <hellwolf> just need to use TH.tupleT
2025-01-25 00:02:03 +0000 <hellwolf> which kinda makes sense.
2025-01-25 00:02:27 +0000 <hellwolf> although the TH.instanceD uses a list, which looked easier.
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2025-01-25 00:07:28 +0000 <hellwolf> that makes me want to rewrite some of my instances' TH to use quotation form... looks much nicer
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2025-01-25 00:31:09 +0000 <hellwolf> well, another haskell trvia: the maximum TupleN that has a Show instance is N=15 ... per https://hackage.haskell.org/package/ghc-internal-9.1201.0/docs/src/GHC.Internal.Show.html#line-328
2025-01-25 00:31:52 +0000 <hellwolf> I just found out. Since I have been supporting TupleN up to 64
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2025-01-25 00:31:55 +0000bitdex(~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex) bitdex
2025-01-25 00:31:58 +0000 <c_wraith> yeah, the spec doesn't require instances very far. GHC exceeds the requirements. The spec requires that 63-tuples exist, but not that they have instances
2025-01-25 00:32:18 +0000 <hellwolf> what is the "spec" do you mean?
2025-01-25 00:32:29 +0000 <c_wraith> Haskell 2010
2025-01-25 00:32:35 +0000 <hellwolf> interesting
2025-01-25 00:32:59 +0000 <hellwolf> people really don't like TH, I guess.
2025-01-25 00:33:13 +0000 <hellwolf> but TH is noticeably slow indeed.
2025-01-25 00:33:16 +0000 <geekosaur> tbh anything beyond 2 or possibly 3 (term level) is generally a bad idea
2025-01-25 00:34:43 +0000 <hellwolf> I am tempted to agree.
2025-01-25 00:35:18 +0000 <geekosaur> you almost always want a named record for anything bigger, just to keep things straight
2025-01-25 00:35:40 +0000 <hellwolf> but typing a :* b :* c :* Nil is more awkward then (a,b,c). And I wish tuple typed as NP is more native.
2025-01-25 00:36:13 +0000 <hellwolf> I don't disagree. I am just pushing envelopes here and see what happens.
2025-01-25 00:37:14 +0000 <hellwolf> if it's typed as NP, there is no reason for Tuple to exist as a type. Am I missing something?
2025-01-25 00:37:48 +0000 <hellwolf> I am supporting TupleN simply for human's sake
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2025-01-25 03:20:54 +0000 <haskellbridge> <thirdofmay18081814goya> any good readings on async, maybe how it can be interpreted monadically?
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2025-01-25 03:23:50 +0000 <haskellbridge> <thirdofmay18081814goya> i guess it can be interpreted in a state monad that accounts for whether a value has returned at each tick (tick being defined however it might be meaningful in a given context)
2025-01-25 03:24:33 +0000 <geekosaur> @where parconc
2025-01-25 03:24:33 +0000 <lambdabot> https://www.safaribooksonline.com/library/view/parallel-and-concurrent/9781449335939/
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2025-01-25 03:27:11 +0000 <haskellbridge> <thirdofmay18081814goya> ah will give that a read, ty (also state monad is not a good idea because we don't do update)
2025-01-25 03:27:48 +0000 <haskellbridge> <thirdofmay18081814goya> the real world does so we're in IO somewhere
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2025-01-25 03:40:40 +0000 <geekosaur> if we're talking about the same async, (a) it has to be in IO to start threads (b) it does keep "state" (thread status)
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2025-01-25 03:43:43 +0000 <haskellbridge> <thirdofmay18081814goya> hm right
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2025-01-25 12:03:13 +0000 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> @irc_libera.chat_sinbad:kf8nh.com: don't statically link crypto libs into your program
2025-01-25 12:06:30 +0000 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> undefined references in such cases usually come from the fact that your static lib also depends on another lib... and you didn't tell the linker to include that one too
2025-01-25 12:07:35 +0000 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> Compare "pkg-config --libs gtk+-3.0" with "pkg-config --libs --static gtk+-3.0"
2025-01-25 12:08:47 +0000merijn(~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn
2025-01-25 12:10:30 +0000 <haskellbridge> <loonycyborg> It's because static libs are just plain archive files containing objects
2025-01-25 12:10:47 +0000 <haskellbridge> <loonycyborg> while shared lib is real binary that has own dependencies
2025-01-25 12:11:00 +0000 <haskellbridge> <loonycyborg> thus they can be resolved recursively
2025-01-25 12:11:14 +0000 <haskellbridge> <loonycyborg> that probably varies on some oses though
2025-01-25 12:11:21 +0000 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> gpgme depends on libassuan
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2025-01-25 12:14:08 +0000 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> So maybe: "Extra-Libraries: libgpgme libassuan"
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2025-01-25 17:38:42 +0000 <ash3en> what haskell libs/tools come to mind when you hear: model to model transformation, meta modelling
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2025-01-25 17:51:14 +0000 <homo> wow, what a surprise https://issues.guix.gnu.org/75745#6
2025-01-25 17:51:30 +0000aaronv(~aaronv@user/aaronv) aaronv
2025-01-25 17:53:39 +0000aaronv_(~aaronv@user/aaronv) aaronv
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2025-01-25 18:02:22 +0000 <geekosaur> unless he's planning to add type level stuff that'll trip over TTG
2025-01-25 18:02:51 +0000alexherbo2(~alexherbo@2a02-8440-3502-da5c-7078-24ff-4ebd-f385.rev.sfr.net) alexherbo2
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2025-01-25 18:07:04 +0000 <homo> like he said anything that is not too crazy, so for anyone wanting to try to bootstrap ghc with microhs, you have reliable ally, but I already have what I want, so good luck to anyone who wants bootstrapped ghc
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2025-01-25 19:35:59 +0000 <haskellbridge> <thirdofmay18081814goya> does anyone know of a repo that implements algebraic effects?
2025-01-25 19:36:04 +0000 <haskellbridge> <thirdofmay18081814goya> i.e. that makes use of them
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2025-01-25 19:46:53 +0000 <monochrom> I don't know, but there is a reverse dep website, you may get something from asking "who depends on my favourite effect lib?".
2025-01-25 19:47:15 +0000 <monochrom> https://packdeps.haskellers.com/reverse
2025-01-25 19:47:30 +0000 <monochrom> Oh, also https://hackage.haskell.org/packages/reverse
2025-01-25 19:47:54 +0000merijn(~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn
2025-01-25 19:48:02 +0000 <c_wraith> the front page of every package description on hackage has a "Reverse Dependencies" section now
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2025-01-25 19:49:30 +0000 <haskellbridge> <thirdofmay18081814goya> oh neat, thanks!
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2025-01-25 20:00:29 +0000 <geekosaur> wasn't that shut down in favor of hackage?
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2025-01-25 20:00:44 +0000 <geekosaur> huh, no, guess they brought it back
2025-01-25 20:01:07 +0000 <geekosaur> last time I visited it it was just a static pacge saying "hackage does this now"
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2025-01-25 21:28:29 +0000 <monochrom> Dependency killed the cat. Resolution brought it back!
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2025-01-25 21:30:24 +0000 <c_wraith> I finally tracked down that priority search queue bug I ran into during the advent of code. I was using a library that provided a priority search queue using a binary search tree for the "search" part. The rebalancing logic was buggy in a way that made it not balance trees with keys inserted monotonically. You know, the case where it needs it most.
2025-01-25 21:30:55 +0000 <geekosaur> lol
2025-01-25 21:31:20 +0000 <geekosaur> good thing I didn't use that one
2025-01-25 21:31:34 +0000 <c_wraith> Two libraries have that same bug.
2025-01-25 21:31:50 +0000 <monochrom> :(
2025-01-25 21:32:02 +0000 <c_wraith> (one of them is closely based on the other)
2025-01-25 21:32:06 +0000 <c_wraith> ((too closely))
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2025-01-25 21:34:39 +0000 <monochrom> But yeah most people just code up Stephen Adams's thesis, but ironically it has never been proved to guarantee balance.
2025-01-25 21:35:15 +0000 <c_wraith> is that the weight-balanced trees?
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2025-01-25 21:35:38 +0000 <c_wraith> That's what these are both using, except they just fail to balance if one subtree is empty.
2025-01-25 21:35:45 +0000 <c_wraith> That's not a bug in the thesis.
2025-01-25 21:35:46 +0000 <monochrom> No, size-balanced. Subtle difference but big impact on what can be proved.
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2025-01-25 21:35:58 +0000 <monochrom> Ah OK different bug.
2025-01-25 21:36:08 +0000 <monochrom> weight = size+1
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2025-01-25 21:36:37 +0000 <c_wraith> Ah. So it's the same thesis, but the bug isn't in the thesis.
2025-01-25 21:36:50 +0000 <c_wraith> or at least this bug isn't
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2025-01-25 23:30:54 +0000 <fp1> How do you compose parsers together with megaparsec? I'm presently trying to, within my own parser, get a string out of the stream and then parse that and return the result. But I can't apply a parser directly to a string, like =string "foo" theStringIJustMade=, so I don't really know how to proceed
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2025-01-25 23:31:44 +0000 <c_wraith> you use Functor, Applicative, Alternative, and Monad
2025-01-25 23:33:07 +0000 <c_wraith> (do note, though, that if you need a fixed-length string to match the parser, megaparsec doesn't support that nicely)
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2025-01-25 23:42:34 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> you can run megaparsec recursively, optionally with the current position preserved so your error messages are still good
2025-01-25 23:42:42 +0000sawilagar(~sawilagar@user/sawilagar) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2025-01-25 23:42:58 +0000 <c_wraith> You can, but you usually don't need to.
2025-01-25 23:43:28 +0000 <c_wraith> You should start by figuring out why the compositional interfaces don't work first. Matching a fixed-length string is one case where they don't.
2025-01-25 23:43:30 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> if you can avoid it, it's better
2025-01-25 23:45:08 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> what do you mean by matching a fixed length string c_wraith ?
2025-01-25 23:45:21 +0000 <fp1> So it seems that Applicative might be what I want, but I can't seem to understand how to use it. I tried =parse ((string "foo") <$ (string "foobar")) "" "text foobar"=, but that's a compile error, seemingly upset by the type of "foo" not being Tokens s0, which doesn't make much sense to me
2025-01-25 23:45:54 +0000 <c_wraith> sm: like if you have length-delimited fields in a data structure. you see the number 50, the next 50 bytes have to match a sub-structure.
2025-01-25 23:46:25 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> fp1: you can use ` (backtick, not equals), to quote literal text here
2025-01-25 23:46:35 +0000merijn(~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2025-01-25 23:46:36 +0000 <fp1> kk
2025-01-25 23:48:15 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> fp1: tell us again what the higher goal is maybe ?
2025-01-25 23:49:20 +0000hueso(~root@user/hueso) (Quit: hueso)
2025-01-25 23:49:26 +0000 <c_wraith> fp1: I don't think <$ is the operation you want
2025-01-25 23:49:38 +0000 <c_wraith> :t (<$)
2025-01-25 23:49:38 +0000 <lambdabot> Functor f => a -> f b -> f a
2025-01-25 23:49:56 +0000 <c_wraith> Note that its first argument *isn't* of type `f a`. It's just `a`
2025-01-25 23:50:03 +0000 <fp1> So the goal is to parse scheme character literals, which is <characterLiteral> ::= "#\\" ("space" | "newline" | any non-whitespace character) Lookahead<delimiter>
2025-01-25 23:50:49 +0000 <juri_> ok, i now have an attention mechanism, written in haskell.
2025-01-25 23:50:56 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> I would write it out the long way first, in a do block. That's usually easier
2025-01-25 23:51:17 +0000 <c_wraith> fp1: consider: parse (do { foo <- string "foo" ; bar <- string "bar" ; pure (foo ++ bar) }) "" "foobar"
2025-01-25 23:51:46 +0000 <c_wraith> And then consider what happens if you change the last line of the do block
2025-01-25 23:55:16 +0000merijn(~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn
2025-01-25 23:56:55 +0000 <fp1> Yes, I've been writing everything in a do block. The trouble I have is I have something like `do { string <- someTill (satisfy (not . isSpace)) (lookAhead delimiter); { parse string to get the character out or error } }`. The trouble I have is, how do I run parsers on `string`? I have the parsers I would run, but not the context to run them
2025-01-25 23:57:27 +0000 <c_wraith> you don't need to lookahead
2025-01-25 23:57:33 +0000 <c_wraith> You can just match on an alternation
2025-01-25 23:57:45 +0000 <fp1> what does that mean
2025-01-25 23:57:46 +0000 <c_wraith> like (string "foo" <|> string "bar")
2025-01-25 23:58:13 +0000 <fp1> but wouldn't that consume the delimiter?
2025-01-25 23:58:24 +0000 <c_wraith> so... store it
2025-01-25 23:58:27 +0000aaronv(~aaronv@user/aaronv) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-01-25 23:59:21 +0000 <fp1> But that just solves a problem that I don't have with a lookahead
2025-01-25 23:59:55 +0000 <c_wraith> But it also solves the problem of not being able to parse the result of it