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2025-01-02 03:39:25 +0000 <remexre> does anyone know what the statement of the orphan rule for multi-parameter typeclasses would be?
2025-01-02 03:39:57 +0000 <remexre> the "at least one mentioned type is defined locally" condition wouldn't catch instance Foo Bar a and instance Foo a Baz, for instance
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2025-01-02 04:16:47 +0000 <remexre> oh, the answer is "it doesn't guarantee that the instances are globally unique, just that non-globally-unique ones can be detected locally"...
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2025-01-02 11:25:19 +0000 <GdeVolpiano> Good time of the day and happy new Gregorian year, gentlepeople.
2025-01-02 11:25:53 +0000 <GdeVolpiano> As you can guess from my difficult, but finally successful, attempt at upgrading cabal-fmt, I'm in "updating my IDE" mood these days.
2025-01-02 11:26:02 +0000mari11261(~mari-este@user/mari-estel) mari-estel
2025-01-02 11:26:05 +0000 <GdeVolpiano> So I had a question: what is the status with formoulu?
2025-01-02 11:26:14 +0000 <GdeVolpiano> From the package.mask file, it is masked because
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2025-01-02 11:28:39 +0000 <GdeVolpiano> 1 - it depends on text>=2, but if I read correctly, text-2.0.2 is available for ghc-9.4 and ghc-9.6
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2025-01-02 11:31:20 +0000 <GdeVolpiano> 2 - old versions used to depend on <ghc-lib-parser-9.6, but we now have fourmolu-0.14.0.0 in the repo, which is >=ghc-lib-parser-9.6.
2025-01-02 11:32:21 +0000 <GdeVolpiano> Is there any blocking point left?
2025-01-02 11:35:23 +0000target_i(~target_i@user/target-i/x-6023099) target_i
2025-01-02 11:36:55 +0000 <GdeVolpiano> At least for ghc-9.6 and over (it depends on >=cabal-syntax-3.10 for 0.14.0.0, >=cabal-syntax-3.12 for 0.16.0.0)
2025-01-02 11:37:21 +0000 <GdeVolpiano> Happy to work on updating the ebuild if needed
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2025-01-02 17:52:55 +0000 <bwe> is there something like on the fly type aliases? https://play.haskell.org/saved/WxMkIOjh
2025-01-02 17:53:11 +0000prasad(~Thunderbi@c-73-75-25-251.hsd1.in.comcast.net)
2025-01-02 17:54:36 +0000 <mauke> you want to declare a type in the middle of another type?
2025-01-02 17:55:16 +0000merijn(~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn
2025-01-02 17:55:18 +0000 <bwe> maybe that or in any way a more convenient way than explicitly defining synonyms.
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2025-01-02 17:56:48 +0000 <bwe> I mean the pattern I have is using Text as type but not having the type properly named.
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2025-01-02 18:23:43 +0000 <rockingcool> Beginner here: What's the best way to 'link' with a package when compiling using `ghc`? I tried installing the 'random' package (https://hackage.haskell.org/package/random-1.1) using cabal, and got this scary message:
2025-01-02 18:23:46 +0000 <rockingcool> WARNING: Installation might not be completed as desired!
2025-01-02 18:24:45 +0000 <geekosaur> right, cabal and stack manage their own installations that are not directly visible
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2025-01-02 18:25:18 +0000 <geekosaur> you don't "cabal install" or "stack install" a library, you write a package description that depends on the library and cabal or stack will install an appropriate version automatically
2025-01-02 18:25:38 +0000 <rockingcool> I see
2025-01-02 18:25:47 +0000 <geekosaur> if you absolutely must, there's "cabal install --lib" but this has the potential to make big messes
2025-01-02 18:26:00 +0000 <geekosaur> and is best used with --package-env
2025-01-02 18:26:03 +0000merijn(~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn
2025-01-02 18:26:27 +0000 <rockingcool> are virtual envs a thing? like in python
2025-01-02 18:27:27 +0000 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> Sandboxes, before they were prematurely ripped out of cabal
2025-01-02 18:28:00 +0000 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> Now you have to know 3-4 underdocumented cabal shenanigans to emulate the same thing
2025-01-02 18:28:15 +0000 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> Cabal was never good at UX
2025-01-02 18:28:20 +0000 <rockingcool> got it
2025-01-02 18:28:33 +0000 <rockingcool> yeah, I cam tell
2025-01-02 18:28:47 +0000 <rockingcool> Loving haskell so far, but that's definitely a pain point
2025-01-02 18:28:48 +0000 <geekosaur> https://cabal.readthedocs.io/en/3.12/cabal-commands.html#adding-libraries-to-ghc-package-environme…
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2025-01-02 18:29:23 +0000Lord_of_Life_(~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915) Lord_of_Life
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2025-01-02 18:31:32 +0000 <rockingcool> would you recommend the '--lib' approach for toy programs?
2025-01-02 18:32:45 +0000 <geekosaur> with --package-env=., it's okay
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2025-01-02 18:33:27 +0000 <rockingcool> sounds good, thanks
2025-01-02 18:33:38 +0000 <geekosaur> you really don't want to add them to the default global environment, different versdions will conflict with each other and you'll ultimately end up with horrible tangles
2025-01-02 18:33:57 +0000 <geekosaur> (at least you can cure them by removing the environment file, which ghc will tell you it's using)
2025-01-02 18:34:27 +0000 <rockingcool> right
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2025-01-02 18:35:33 +0000 <rockingcool> are there any common 'first projects' that people usually do in haskell?
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2025-01-02 18:35:50 +0000 <rockingcool> been thinking about a parser, since that seems like Haskell's strength
2025-01-02 18:36:50 +0000 <__monty__> Parser combinators are great but I honestly wouldn't be able to recommend them as first exposure to Haskell. Depending on previous functional programming experience of course.
2025-01-02 18:37:46 +0000 <__monty__> I think the data61 FP-course is a good practical introduction to Haskell, albeit with a bit of a steep curve if you don't have guidance or prior experience.
2025-01-02 18:38:47 +0000 <glguy> rockingcool: depends on what you think is fun. I like making text games, IRC clients, and solving puzzles, so I use Haskell for those. It's generally suitable for what first project is something you're interested in
2025-01-02 18:39:39 +0000 <rockingcool> my only previous exposure to FP is python, which probably doesn't even count
2025-01-02 18:41:07 +0000 <rockingcool> glguy: Thanks for the ideas, an irc client sounds fun
2025-01-02 18:41:36 +0000 <glguy> A bot requires less UI so that can be a good starting point on that path
2025-01-02 18:42:19 +0000 <rockingcool> sounds good
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2025-01-02 22:04:06 +0000 <orangeFlu> so i'm trying to play around with par and pseq in the ghci, but it seems no matter what i do, the ghci complains Control.Parallel doesn't exist as a package. Whats going on?
2025-01-02 22:05:42 +0000 <__monty__> Sounds like a module, not a package.
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2025-01-02 22:06:33 +0000 <orangeFlu> yeah, module, sorry
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2025-01-02 22:09:14 +0000 <__monty__> Did you install the parallel package?
2025-01-02 22:09:18 +0000 <geekosaur> you need to get the "parallel" package loaded
2025-01-02 22:09:45 +0000 <orangeFlu> how do i install it?
2025-01-02 22:09:58 +0000 <orangeFlu> like cabal install?
2025-01-02 22:10:24 +0000 <geekosaur> cabal repl -b parallel
2025-01-02 22:11:42 +0000 <orangeFlu> it works!
2025-01-02 22:11:44 +0000 <orangeFlu> thanks
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