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| 2024-10-28 00:36:45 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
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| 2024-10-28 00:45:56 +0100 | synchromesh | (~john@139.180.95.1) (Quit: WeeChat 4.0.5) |
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| 2024-10-28 00:47:11 +0100 | Natch | (~natch@c-9e07225c.038-60-73746f7.bbcust.telenor.se) (Remote host closed the connection) |
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| 2024-10-28 05:55:50 +0100 | euphores | (~SASL_euph@user/euphores) (Quit: Leaving.) |
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| 2024-10-28 06:30:04 +0100 | Sgeo | (~Sgeo@user/sgeo) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2024-10-28 06:30:45 +0100 | rosco | (~rosco@60.53.5.183) (Quit: Lost terminal) |
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| 2024-10-28 07:04:56 +0100 | euleritian | (~euleritia@ip4d16fc38.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) |
| 2024-10-28 07:07:01 +0100 | floyza | (~gavin@h69-11-148-150.kndrid.broadband.dynamic.tds.net) (Remote host closed the connection) |
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| 2024-10-28 07:17:34 +0100 | euleritian | (~euleritia@ip4d16fc38.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2024-10-28 07:19:38 +0100 | euleritian | (~euleritia@ip4d16fc38.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) |
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| 2024-10-28 07:21:37 +0100 | rvalue- | (~rvalue@user/rvalue) rvalue |
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| 2024-10-28 07:32:46 +0100 | Natch | (~natch@c-92-34-7-158.bbcust.telenor.se) Natch |
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| 2024-10-28 08:00:03 +0100 | caconym | (~caconym@user/caconym) (Quit: bye) |
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| 2024-10-28 08:22:13 +0100 | euleritian | (~euleritia@dynamic-176-006-147-100.176.6.pool.telefonica.de) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
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| 2024-10-28 08:37:49 +0100 | Square2 | (~Square4@user/square) Square |
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| 2024-10-28 08:40:16 +0100 | acidjnk_new | (~acidjnk@p200300d6e72cfb16704d6a71e163a8ef.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) acidjnk |
| 2024-10-28 08:42:44 +0100 | Lord_of_Life_ | (~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915) Lord_of_Life |
| 2024-10-28 08:42:46 +0100 | CrunchyFlakes | (~CrunchyFl@ip1f13e94e.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
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| 2024-10-28 08:44:57 +0100 | CrunchyFlakes | (~CrunchyFl@ip1f13e94e.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) |
| 2024-10-28 08:49:27 +0100 | ft | (~ft@p4fc2a216.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Quit: leaving) |
| 2024-10-28 08:56:15 +0100 | machinedgod | (~machinedg@d108-173-18-100.abhsia.telus.net) machinedgod |
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| 2024-10-28 09:10:08 +0100 | euleritian | (~euleritia@ip4d16fc38.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) |
| 2024-10-28 09:11:28 +0100 | jespada | (~jespada@222.203-67-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) jespada |
| 2024-10-28 09:15:01 +0100 | <mari-estel> | >> :t \f g a -> f a >>= g |
| 2024-10-28 09:15:09 +0100 | <mari-estel> | > :t \f g a -> f a >>= g |
| 2024-10-28 09:15:10 +0100 | <lambdabot> | <hint>:1:1: error: parse error on input ‘:’ |
| 2024-10-28 09:16:45 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@77.242.116.146) merijn |
| 2024-10-28 09:16:46 +0100 | <jackdk> | I think you have to use yahb to use :t , maybe? |
| 2024-10-28 09:16:54 +0100 | <jackdk> | % :t \f g a -> f a >>= g |
| 2024-10-28 09:16:54 +0100 | <yahb2> | \f g a -> f a >>= g ; :: Monad m => (t -> m a) -> (a -> m b) -> t -> m b |
| 2024-10-28 09:17:04 +0100 | <jackdk> | mari-estel: ^ |
| 2024-10-28 09:17:13 +0100 | <mari-estel> | > 9 |
| 2024-10-28 09:17:15 +0100 | <lambdabot> | 9 |
| 2024-10-28 09:17:21 +0100 | <mari-estel> | lame |
| 2024-10-28 09:17:47 +0100 | <Leary> | :t \f g a -> f a >>= g |
| 2024-10-28 09:17:48 +0100 | <lambdabot> | Monad m => (t -> m a) -> (a -> m b) -> t -> m b |
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| 2024-10-28 09:23:16 +0100 | ubert | (~Thunderbi@77.119.173.172.wireless.dyn.drei.com) ubert |
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| 2024-10-28 09:26:28 +0100 | <mari-estel> | it does not make life easier to newcomers to have to guess the interpreter here |
| 2024-10-28 09:28:46 +0100 | <dminuoso> | monochrom: Oh books can be so incohesive.. |
| 2024-10-28 09:29:10 +0100 | euleritian | (~euleritia@dynamic-176-003-073-168.176.3.pool.telefonica.de) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2024-10-28 09:29:28 +0100 | euleritian | (~euleritia@ip4d16fc38.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) |
| 2024-10-28 09:29:34 +0100 | briandaed | (~root@185.234.210.211.r.toneticgroup.pl) |
| 2024-10-28 09:29:56 +0100 | <dminuoso> | So I would `s/are/can be/` |
| 2024-10-28 09:30:23 +0100 | <jackdk> | mari-estel: You may prefer to use ghcup (https://www.haskell.org/ghcup/ ) to install the Glasgow Haskell Compiler locally, or try the https://play.haskell.org sandbox |
| 2024-10-28 09:30:52 +0100 | <mari-estel> | yeah. Afterwards, tell me also something i don't know |
| 2024-10-28 09:30:53 +0100 | <dminuoso> | Also, you can use yahb2 and lambdabot in a query/pm/direct message if you prefer. |
| 2024-10-28 09:31:47 +0100 | <dminuoso> | mari-estel: Okay do you have a better suggestion for how to make the interpreter guesseable (whatever that means for you)? |
| 2024-10-28 09:32:39 +0100 | <mari-estel> | thanks dminuoso. For instance, i did not know my english was so unintelligible |
| 2024-10-28 09:38:10 +0100 | euleritian | (~euleritia@ip4d16fc38.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2024-10-28 09:39:05 +0100 | euleritian | (~euleritia@ip4d16fc38.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) |
| 2024-10-28 09:39:23 +0100 | sord937 | (~sord937@gateway/tor-sasl/sord937) sord937 |
| 2024-10-28 09:49:44 +0100 | <mauke> | :t (<=<) |
| 2024-10-28 09:49:45 +0100 | <lambdabot> | Monad m => (b -> m c) -> (a -> m b) -> a -> m c |
| 2024-10-28 09:50:07 +0100 | <mauke> | :t (>=>) |
| 2024-10-28 09:50:09 +0100 | <lambdabot> | Monad m => (a -> m b) -> (b -> m c) -> a -> m c |
| 2024-10-28 09:50:29 +0100 | <mari-estel> | "planet earth is blue, and there's nothing i can do" |
| 2024-10-28 09:51:36 +0100 | <mauke> | it's not the english, it's the ellipsis |
| 2024-10-28 09:56:11 +0100 | <kaol> | I wish Monad type class used >=> instead of >>=. |
| 2024-10-28 09:56:34 +0100 | <Franciman> | today i'm in the mood for some post rock |
| 2024-10-28 09:56:36 +0100 | <mari-estel> | oh nonononoh, that's frowned upon! |
| 2024-10-28 09:56:38 +0100 | <Franciman> | ops sorry |
| 2024-10-28 09:57:07 +0100 | <mari-estel> | no worries, it's the >=> to be frowned upon really. Rock is just our task |
| 2024-10-28 10:00:24 +0100 | mari-estel | (~mari-este@user/mari-estel) (Quit: on the move) |
| 2024-10-28 10:01:11 +0100 | <kaol> | Kleisli is so aesthetically symmetric and it looks like regular function composition with some extra sprinkles added on it. |
| 2024-10-28 10:03:29 +0100 | tzh | (~tzh@c-76-115-131-146.hsd1.or.comcast.net) (Quit: zzz) |
| 2024-10-28 10:04:38 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@77.242.116.146) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2024-10-28 10:11:01 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@77.242.116.146) merijn |
| 2024-10-28 10:14:16 +0100 | alp | (~alp@2001:861:e3d6:8f80:fb17:c519:ba02:ac60) |
| 2024-10-28 10:18:56 +0100 | chele | (~chele@user/chele) chele |
| 2024-10-28 10:21:47 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | also the monad laws get |
| 2024-10-28 10:21:54 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | *much nicer (sorry for the newline) |
| 2024-10-28 10:23:02 +0100 | <kaol> | For sure. One look and you go "oh that's just a monoid". Not going to happen with the bind formulation. |
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| 2024-10-28 10:26:18 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@77.242.116.146) merijn |
| 2024-10-28 10:29:10 +0100 | <Leary> | f is a Monad iff `a b :-> a -> f b` is a Category; f is an Applicative iff `a b :-> f (a -> b)` is a Category. The standard formulation of their laws is abysmal, and should be eradicated from the documentation. |
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| 2024-10-28 11:07:03 +0100 | <dminuoso> | Leary: What does `a b :-> a -> f b` denote? |
| 2024-10-28 11:08:50 +0100 | Unicorn_Princess | (~Unicorn_P@user/Unicorn-Princess/x-3540542) Unicorn_Princess |
| 2024-10-28 11:09:29 +0100 | <ncf> | a function with type Type → Type → Type |
| 2024-10-28 11:09:32 +0100 | <Leary> | :-> is \mapsTo, it's a mathematician's equivalent of lambda syntax. The closest Haskell equivalent of that type level function being `Kleisli`, and the other being `Tannen`. |
| 2024-10-28 11:12:33 +0100 | <dminuoso> | Leary: Is the expression: "`a b :-> ...` is a category" something category theorists normally say? |
| 2024-10-28 11:12:50 +0100 | <dminuoso> | I'm just surprised because I have not seen it before. |
| 2024-10-28 11:13:48 +0100 | <Leary> | Note that I specifically wrote Category, not category. |
| 2024-10-28 11:15:15 +0100 | <Leary> | (I wasn't able to study CT in university, and haven't gotten around to studying it since, so I don't really know what they say) |
| 2024-10-28 11:15:26 +0100 | <dminuoso> | Then I'm slightly more confused. |
| 2024-10-28 11:15:34 +0100 | <dminuoso> | What is the difference between Category and category? |
| 2024-10-28 11:16:53 +0100 | habib | (~habib@146.70.119.186) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2024-10-28 11:20:13 +0100 | <ncf> | Haskell's Category is a typeclass for defining a category whose type of objects is Type |
| 2024-10-28 11:20:59 +0100 | <ncf> | hm i guess that's not true any more, the argument to Category can have kind k → k → Type |
| 2024-10-28 11:21:00 +0100 | euleritian | (~euleritia@ip4d16fc38.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2024-10-28 11:21:19 +0100 | <dminuoso> | So :-> is meant as an actual type constructor? |
| 2024-10-28 11:21:23 +0100 | Nixkernal | (~Nixkernal@52.131.63.188.dynamic.cust.swisscom.net) Nixkernal |
| 2024-10-28 11:21:50 +0100 | <ncf> | but anyway k is the type of objects there, so when you say (λ a b → a → f b) is a Category you mean the type of objects of that category is Type and the morphisms between a and b are functions a → f b |
| 2024-10-28 11:22:00 +0100 | <ncf> | dminuoso: no, that's just ↦ |
| 2024-10-28 11:22:07 +0100 | <ncf> | lambda abstraction |
| 2024-10-28 11:22:18 +0100 | <dminuoso> | I dont understand what that original statement by Leary means exactly. |
| 2024-10-28 11:22:40 +0100 | <ncf> | (a b ↦ a → f b) is Kleisli f |
| 2024-10-28 11:22:46 +0100 | <dminuoso> | How can "some abstract mathematical notation" "be a" (instance of?) Category? |
| 2024-10-28 11:22:56 +0100 | <ncf> | Monad f ⇔ Category (Kleisli f) |
| 2024-10-28 11:22:58 +0100 | euleritian | (~euleritia@ip4d16fc38.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) |
| 2024-10-28 11:23:43 +0100 | mceresa | (~mceresa@user/mceresa) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 2024-10-28 11:24:08 +0100 | <ncf> | well, we're talking about what the notation denotes, not the notation itself |
| 2024-10-28 11:25:06 +0100 | <Leary> | You can mentally replace the type-function expressions with `Kleisli f` and `Tannen f (->)`, I just didn't want to confuse my meta-notation with language constructs. They /are/ Categories in the same sense that many types /are/ Functor: their instance exists and is unique. |
| 2024-10-28 11:25:53 +0100 | <dminuoso> | Instead I was confused by the mixture of language and non-language constructs. :-) |
| 2024-10-28 11:26:08 +0100 | ubert | (~Thunderbi@178.165.189.55.wireless.dyn.drei.com) ubert |
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| 2024-10-28 11:48:02 +0100 | alphazone | (~alphazone@2.219.56.221) |
| 2024-10-28 11:53:20 +0100 | <xelxebar> | I think there's a typo in https://wiki.haskell.org/Catamorphisms#Laws |
| 2024-10-28 11:53:21 +0100 | morb | (~morb@pool-108-41-100-120.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) |
| 2024-10-28 11:54:15 +0100 | <xelxebar> | cata-fusion as stated on the wiki only applies to an algebra endomorphism. |
| 2024-10-28 11:54:32 +0100 | <xelxebar> | However, it should really apply to any algebra homomorphism. |
| 2024-10-28 11:55:17 +0100 | <xelxebar> | Just for thoroughness, I tracked down the original paper where this was stated, and it indeed refers to a general algebra homomorphism. |
| 2024-10-28 11:55:54 +0100 | acidjnk_new | (~acidjnk@p200300d6e72cfb165c062c18fa4bedb4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) acidjnk |
| 2024-10-28 11:56:21 +0100 | <xelxebar> | Should say that `f . phi = psi . fmap f` implies `f . cata phi = cata psi`. |
| 2024-10-28 11:57:36 +0100 | morb | (~morb@pool-108-41-100-120.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
| 2024-10-28 11:58:25 +0100 | <xelxebar> | Looks like the wiki is copying the error from E. Kmett reference, which is a defunct URL and needs to be viewed from archive.org. |
| 2024-10-28 11:58:50 +0100 | <ncf> | xelxebar: what's the original paper? |
| 2024-10-28 11:59:46 +0100 | xff0x | (~xff0x@2405:6580:b080:900:b00a:f648:5747:c396) |
| 2024-10-28 12:00:47 +0100 | <xelxebar> | ncf: Varmo Vene, Categorical Programming with Inductive and Coinductive Types. 2000. |
| 2024-10-28 12:01:52 +0100 | kuribas | (~user@ptr-17d51epnnpcnu3v8qjj.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be) kuribas |
| 2024-10-28 12:02:54 +0100 | <xelxebar> | Well, I'm not actually sure that's the earliest original, but it's what I could track down. |
| 2024-10-28 12:05:32 +0100 | <xelxebar> | And, well, the more general cata-fusion law itself follows directly from the definition of algebra homomorphism and cata as being initial. |
| 2024-10-28 12:06:10 +0100 | <ncf> | xelxebar: ok, fixed it and added that reference |
| 2024-10-28 12:06:19 +0100 | <xelxebar> | Cheers! |
| 2024-10-28 12:17:43 +0100 | sawilagar | (~sawilagar@user/sawilagar) sawilagar |
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| 2024-10-28 13:12:07 +0100 | sinbad | (~sinbad@user/sinbad) Sinbad |
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| 2024-10-28 13:16:15 +0100 | <sinbad> | Let's say I have two different implementations of the function foo with two different sets of dependencies. Is it possible to switch between the too foo-s using only cabal's flags but not CPP in the source files? |
| 2024-10-28 13:17:54 +0100 | Smiles | (uid551636@id-551636.lymington.irccloud.com) Smiles |
| 2024-10-28 13:18:19 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> I think so? By selecting different deps and source files in the cabal file |
| 2024-10-28 13:18:22 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | sinbad: based on cabal flags you can expose or not expose certain modules |
| 2024-10-28 13:18:37 +0100 | wootehfoot | (~wootehfoo@user/wootehfoot) wootehfoot |
| 2024-10-28 13:19:07 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | the same way you switch between dependency sets (with the `if` syntax in a .cabal file), you can also put exposed-modules: (and, indeed, other-modules:) in such an `if` |
| 2024-10-28 13:19:09 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> will it add complexity and hassles for packaging/building ? Probably |
| 2024-10-28 13:19:13 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | yes |
| 2024-10-28 13:19:28 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | better test all configurations of your package :) |
| 2024-10-28 13:20:54 +0100 | YoungFrog | (~youngfrog@2a02:a03f:c9db:fc00:7868:ed54:6992:80f4) (Quit: ZNC 1.7.x-git-3-96481995 - https://znc.in) |
| 2024-10-28 13:21:17 +0100 | YoungFrog | (~youngfrog@39.129-180-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) youngfrog |
| 2024-10-28 13:21:42 +0100 | Nixkernal | (~Nixkernal@52.131.63.188.dynamic.cust.swisscom.net) Nixkernal |
| 2024-10-28 13:23:51 +0100 | <sinbad> | tomsmeding: I know how to use cabal's flag. If the module name change I need CPP in the source. I want to do the switch without using CPP. |
| 2024-10-28 13:24:35 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | sinbad: good point. Put the two module versions in two separate source directories, and switch an additional hs-source-dirs: option instead? |
| 2024-10-28 13:24:44 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | alternatively, backpack can rename modules, I think |
| 2024-10-28 13:25:12 +0100 | <sinbad> | That is not changing the module name. To put in a different way, is there a strict mapping of source file names and module names? |
| 2024-10-28 13:26:23 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | what I mean is, assuming your module is called Foo: * Put version 1 in src1/Foo.hs; * Put version 2 in src2/Foo.hs; * In your-lib.cabal, switch between `hs-source-dirs: src1` and `hs-source-dirs: src2` based on the flag |
| 2024-10-28 13:26:36 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | then src1/Foo.hs and src2/Foo.hs are both independently valid, without any CPP |
| 2024-10-28 13:26:48 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> Yes - file names and module names (except the main file). But not file paths, as tomsmeding says |
| 2024-10-28 13:27:46 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> +are connected |
| 2024-10-28 13:28:25 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | well, if the module is Foo.Bar, then it needs to be src1/Foo/Bar.hs and src2/Foo/Bar.hs |
| 2024-10-28 13:28:42 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | so the paths are definitely connected, but you can have any number of "base directories" in which ghc can search for the proper paths |
| 2024-10-28 13:28:51 +0100 | ljdarj | (~Thunderbi@user/ljdarj) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2024-10-28 13:29:11 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> ah, true |
| 2024-10-28 13:29:13 +0100 | <sinbad> | tomsmeding: haskellbridge" Okay, I thought of that. How to set up the related cabal fields src/ (the rest of my libs), src1/ and src2/? |
| 2024-10-28 13:29:30 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | how are you switching the dependencies? |
| 2024-10-28 13:29:45 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | with the same syntax, except hs-source-dirs: instead of build-depends: in the `if` ;) |
| 2024-10-28 13:30:34 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | sinbad: https://cabal.readthedocs.io/en/stable/cabal-package-description-file.html#configurations |
| 2024-10-28 13:31:00 +0100 | <sinbad> | Oops, in hs-source-dirs I need to list multiple source dirs, right? |
| 2024-10-28 13:31:19 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | you can have multiple hs-source-dirs directives; their lists get concatenated |
| 2024-10-28 13:31:38 +0100 | euleritian | (~euleritia@ip4d16fc38.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) |
| 2024-10-28 13:31:56 +0100 | euleritian | (~euleritia@dynamic-176-003-032-186.176.3.pool.telefonica.de) |
| 2024-10-28 13:35:27 +0100 | <sinbad> | tomsmeding: right, I'll go this way. thanks. Aside, before coming here I did read the docs - it is not always straightforwardly helpful |
| 2024-10-28 13:35:58 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | sinbad: I agree that the cabal docs sometimes make it hard to find the information that you need; I myself ran into this multiple times |
| 2024-10-28 13:36:12 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | almost everything is _there_, but not always in the expected format or place |
| 2024-10-28 13:36:32 +0100 | <sinbad> | tomsmeding: good to know I am not alone :-) |
| 2024-10-28 13:36:49 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | furthermore, they are mostly _reference_ docs, i.e. you can find definitions of directives, but generally not (with some exceptions) answers to questions like yours |
| 2024-10-28 13:38:29 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | sinbad: for completeness, mixins would be another way to accomplish this: https://cabal.readthedocs.io/en/stable/cabal-package-description-file.html#pkg-field-mixins |
| 2024-10-28 13:39:04 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | they allow you to depend on a library but rename one or more modules from that library on import |
| 2024-10-28 13:40:01 +0100 | <lxsameer> | any suggestion for a templating engine for haskell? |
| 2024-10-28 13:40:35 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | the trick would then be to put the Foo versions in a separate internal sublibrary ( https://cabal.readthedocs.io/en/stable/cabal-package-description-file.html#library ) as two regular, different modules with different names (Foo1 and Foo2, say), and then depending on your flag, depend on that sublibrary with a mixin renaming the proper Foo version to "Foo", and then re-export Foo |
| 2024-10-28 13:40:38 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@77.242.116.146) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) |
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| 2024-10-28 13:41:06 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | lxsameer: a templating engine for what? text, html, haskell? |
| 2024-10-28 13:41:10 +0100 | euleritian | (~euleritia@ip4d16fc38.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) |
| 2024-10-28 13:42:23 +0100 | <lxsameer> | tomsmeding: text |
| 2024-10-28 13:42:29 +0100 | <sinbad> | tomsmeding: Thank you, I am going to look into mixing too. |
| 2024-10-28 13:43:16 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | lxsameer: I've used this before https://hackage.haskell.org/package/mustache but not sure if that's what you were looking for |
| 2024-10-28 13:43:44 +0100 | scaniatrucker | (~user@78.56.98.5) (Quit: ERC 5.5.0.29.1 (IRC client for GNU Emacs 29.4)) |
| 2024-10-28 13:44:18 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | https://github.com/tomsmeding/pastebin-haskell/blob/03e09c078a34e9bbf3fe8745aaee1917d8474de3/paste… |
| 2024-10-28 13:44:41 +0100 | <lxsameer> | tomsmeding: thanks, that would be helpful |
| 2024-10-28 13:54:35 +0100 | rosco | (~rosco@60.53.5.183) (Quit: Lost terminal) |
| 2024-10-28 13:56:53 +0100 | <sinbad> | tomsmeding: Not sure that the mixings would cut it, since, in my case, the difference between the dependencies is enormous. It looks to me that with mixings both versions are built. Am I wrong? |
| 2024-10-28 13:58:04 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> I’m curious of this makes sense, if the differences are that large |
| 2024-10-28 13:58:06 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> * if |
| 2024-10-28 13:58:24 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@77.242.116.146) merijn |
| 2024-10-28 13:58:39 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> * doing this in one package |
| 2024-10-28 14:01:33 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> * when the differences are so |
| 2024-10-28 14:02:05 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> ack, sorry, irc edits 🚫 |
| 2024-10-28 14:02:38 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> if only the bridge could reject them |
| 2024-10-28 14:03:15 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@77.242.116.146) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2024-10-28 14:03:32 +0100 | morb | (~morb@pool-108-41-100-120.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) |
| 2024-10-28 14:04:07 +0100 | <sinbad> | haskellbridge: well, it is a executable, that is a utility whose libraries are not of public interest. |
| 2024-10-28 14:04:17 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> and my last comment may have conflated two threads of discussion, ignore if it doesn’t make sense |
| 2024-10-28 14:05:29 +0100 | <sinbad> | haskellbridge: I think it was addressed to me. At least I made sense of it :-) |
| 2024-10-28 14:06:03 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> alright no I’m still on topic, good :) sinbad, why do you need conditional source ? |
| 2024-10-28 14:07:38 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | sinbad: oh hm, you're correct -- I forgot about the conditional dependencies part |
| 2024-10-28 14:08:00 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | then you'd also have to switch dependencies inside that sublibrary, but at that point it's basically the same as the hs-source-dirs approach but with more ceremony |
| 2024-10-28 14:08:12 +0100 | morb | (~morb@pool-108-41-100-120.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2024-10-28 14:09:00 +0100 | <sinbad> | haskellbridge: Right, that was my conclusion too. |
| 2024-10-28 14:10:46 +0100 | sinbad | (~sinbad@user/sinbad) (Quit: Leaving.) |
| 2024-10-28 14:11:00 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | sm: got https://xkcd.com/2337/ vibes there :) |
| 2024-10-28 14:11:27 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | ( https://ircbrowse.tomsmeding.com/browse/lchaskell?events_page=13900 ) |
| 2024-10-28 14:13:05 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@77.242.116.146) merijn |
| 2024-10-28 14:13:43 +0100 | rosco | (~rosco@60.53.5.183) rosco |
| 2024-10-28 14:14:01 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> Indeed |
| 2024-10-28 14:14:29 +0100 | morb | (~morb@pool-108-41-100-120.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) |
| 2024-10-28 14:14:32 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> well sinbad concluded something in a hurry |
| 2024-10-28 14:14:37 +0100 | vanishingideal | (~vanishing@user/vanishingideal) vanishingideal |
| 2024-10-28 14:14:54 +0100 | paul_j | (~user@8.190.187.81.in-addr.arpa) |
| 2024-10-28 14:14:56 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> another satisfied customer! NEXT! |
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| 2024-10-28 14:50:41 +0100 | ash3en | (~Thunderbi@89.246.174.164) ash3en |
| 2024-10-28 14:52:00 +0100 | <ash3en> | Hi, would you use Binary.Get or attoparsec for parsing OSC/UDP? |
| 2024-10-28 14:52:51 +0100 | <ash3en> | i don't need to decode it, just want to reorder the values and maybe switch to a different osc-address |
| 2024-10-28 14:56:32 +0100 | LukeHoersten | (~LukeHoers@user/lukehoersten) LukeHoersten |
| 2024-10-28 15:00:41 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | ash3en: if you care about high-performance parsing, also consider `flatparse` |
| 2024-10-28 15:02:15 +0100 | LukeHoersten | (~LukeHoers@user/lukehoersten) (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) |
| 2024-10-28 15:05:24 +0100 | spew | (~spew@155.133.15.121) spew |
| 2024-10-28 15:06:09 +0100 | <ash3en> | ah, oversaw that. But afaik OSC uses big endian and flatparse supports only LE. however I am not that deep in the topic yet to know if this is really a knockout for flatparse use |
| 2024-10-28 15:13:28 +0100 | LukeHoersten | (~LukeHoers@user/lukehoersten) LukeHoersten |
| 2024-10-28 15:15:19 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | ash3en: if you need big-endian, you could always cherry-pick the code that does that from other libraries :p |
| 2024-10-28 15:15:50 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | on a LE machine, you need to get fairly clever to do better than just picking invididual bytes and shift-oring them into the result |
| 2024-10-28 15:18:09 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | (with SIMD shuffle instructions you can do better, but GHC doesn't even support emitting those on the native codegen backend, only on LLVM) |
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| 2024-10-28 15:19:50 +0100 | <ash3en> | got to do more research apparently :D |
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| 2024-10-28 15:23:04 +0100 | <merijn> | ash3en: Both should do ok, tbh |
| 2024-10-28 15:24:06 +0100 | billchenchina | (~billchenc@p54090-ipngnfx01osakakita.osaka.ocn.ne.jp) billchenchina |
| 2024-10-28 15:25:08 +0100 | <ash3en> | I think with binary as I understand it now I have some trouble to parse the kind of arbitrary nul-bytes OSC uses here and there, eg. after the typetag byte or with strings. But maybe I just don't understand it to the fullest yet |
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| 2024-10-28 18:32:54 +0100 | vanishingideal | (~vanishing@user/vanishingideal) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2024-10-28 18:34:35 +0100 | vanishingideal | (~vanishing@user/vanishingideal) vanishingideal |
| 2024-10-28 18:36:51 +0100 | LukeHoersten | (~LukeHoers@user/lukehoersten) LukeHoersten |
| 2024-10-28 18:36:55 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <maralorn> In parser combinator libraries (concretely I am using Parsec) is there a smart way to say "expect 4 digits and parse them into an Int" the best I can come up with is "maybe (...error...) pure . readMaybe <$> count 4 digit" which does not satisfy me much. I feel like the read should know that it can’t fail. |
| 2024-10-28 18:37:30 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <maralorn> Huh, well, I guess I can just use "read" and hope … |
| 2024-10-28 18:37:34 +0100 | <Digit> | 4 of me? ooh. oh. aw. |
| 2024-10-28 18:39:43 +0100 | geekosaur | is wondering if replicateM fits here |
| 2024-10-28 18:42:39 +0100 | <geekosaur> | ghci> parseTest (fmap (read :: String -> Int) (replicateM 4 digit)) "0123" |
| 2024-10-28 18:42:39 +0100 | <geekosaur> | 123 |
| 2024-10-28 18:43:52 +0100 | <EvanR> | is "hope" necessary |
| 2024-10-28 18:44:27 +0100 | <EvanR> | if digit parser is known to return digits on success, then read on a 4 digit string must succeed |
| 2024-10-28 18:44:39 +0100 | <geekosaur> | ^ |
| 2024-10-28 18:44:47 +0100 | <EvanR> | maybe a slightly more extreme version of hoping that head [1,2,3,4] can't fail |
| 2024-10-28 18:45:03 +0100 | rosco | (~rosco@60.53.5.183) (Quit: Lost terminal) |
| 2024-10-28 18:45:43 +0100 | <EvanR> | hope might need to be reintroduced when someone (such as yourself in 3 weeks) returns to the code and makes a change, forgetting this whole conversation, breaking something |
| 2024-10-28 18:45:51 +0100 | <geekosaur> | also I misread what the problem was, sorry |
| 2024-10-28 18:46:35 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <maralorn> Well, just posting the question helped me in refactoring this. |
| 2024-10-28 18:46:43 +0100 | <EvanR> | adding maybe (error ...) pure to a computation that can't fail is useless |
| 2024-10-28 18:47:00 +0100 | econo_ | (uid147250@id-147250.tinside.irccloud.com) |
| 2024-10-28 18:47:52 +0100 | <geekosaur> | another success for rubber duck debugging? |
| 2024-10-28 18:49:02 +0100 | tromp | (~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) |
| 2024-10-28 18:49:36 +0100 | lxsameer | (~lxsameer@Serene/lxsameer) lxsameer |
| 2024-10-28 18:50:31 +0100 | <EvanR> | > read "1234" :: Int |
| 2024-10-28 18:50:33 +0100 | <lambdabot> | 1234 |
| 2024-10-28 18:50:37 +0100 | <EvanR> | > read "" :: Int |
| 2024-10-28 18:50:38 +0100 | <lambdabot> | *Exception: Prelude.read: no parse |
| 2024-10-28 18:51:13 +0100 | euleritian | (~euleritia@ip4d16fc38.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2024-10-28 18:51:14 +0100 | <EvanR> | zero digit string not supported |
| 2024-10-28 18:51:51 +0100 | euleritian | (~euleritia@dynamic-176-003-056-049.176.3.pool.telefonica.de) |
| 2024-10-28 18:52:18 +0100 | <geekosaur> | which is irrelevant if they're parsing exactly 4 digits… |
| 2024-10-28 18:53:19 +0100 | <sshine> | I just got an email that reminded me to bump a Haskell package I haven't touched for a year or two. in the meantime I've rabbit-holed quite a lot on NixOS, but not using Haskell. as with anything in Nix, the sub-space of Haskell dev configuration is its own fractal. I followed a flowchart that suggested I should go with pkgs.haskellPackages.developPackage, and consulting the NixOS.wiki, I managed to build |
| 2024-10-28 18:53:25 +0100 | <sshine> | a small default.nix with pkgs.haskellPackages.developPackage and pkgs.haskell.lib.addBuildTools that just worked in the first try, yay! |
| 2024-10-28 18:55:49 +0100 | <sshine> | but I also realize that my need back then for using Stack has largely been superceded by Nix. |
| 2024-10-28 18:56:13 +0100 | <sshine> | I think the only convenience I get now is muscle memory. |
| 2024-10-28 18:56:18 +0100 | euleritian | (~euleritia@dynamic-176-003-056-049.176.3.pool.telefonica.de) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2024-10-28 18:57:06 +0100 | euleritian | (~euleritia@ip4d16fc38.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) |
| 2024-10-28 18:57:55 +0100 | <Franciman> | sshine: stack is nowhere close to nix's flexibility |
| 2024-10-28 18:57:57 +0100 | <Franciman> | tho |
| 2024-10-28 18:59:25 +0100 | <sshine> | nix is nowhere close to the flexibility of a bowl of overcooked noodles! |
| 2024-10-28 18:59:43 +0100 | <c_wraith> | noodles are pretty bad build systems, though |
| 2024-10-28 18:59:46 +0100 | <sshine> | just so we get the flexibility ordering straight: stack < nix < overcooked noodles |
| 2024-10-28 19:00:21 +0100 | <geekosaur> | eh, it's flexible, it's just not possible to understand how to access that |
| 2024-10-28 19:01:08 +0100 | <sshine> | I've drunk the Nix koolaid, and I'm all in. but yeah, it's always pretty steep to learn how things work. |
| 2024-10-28 19:01:44 +0100 | <c_wraith> | fwiw, I will do things like fromMaybe (error "you refactored valueThatWillNeverBeNothing and broke it") valueThatWillNeverBeNothing |
| 2024-10-28 19:01:48 +0100 | <sshine> | I wish it were like finding a really good Haskell or Rust package. you go to the official documentation site, and the package's documentation is nicely formatted, easily searchable, and kind of works like a small tutorial not only to the package but to the problem space it fills. |
| 2024-10-28 19:02:54 +0100 | <sshine> | ...because the author thought: I'll beat the second-best package because it was getting stale, and I'll do so by not only improving on the package's quality, but the documentation and the examples and the general availability. Nix isn't like that. |
| 2024-10-28 19:02:54 +0100 | Square2 | (~Square4@user/square) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) |
| 2024-10-28 19:03:10 +0100 | tromp | (~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) |
| 2024-10-28 19:03:42 +0100 | <sshine> | I wonder if the Nix language will ever get a type system, or if that's a lost cause. |
| 2024-10-28 19:05:01 +0100 | <sshine> | either way, I'm grateful that the package just works. changing the GHC packaage and re-testing, and it just fetches the newer GHC, recompiles dependencies, and passes test without a hitch. truly remarkable, and low effort, really. |
| 2024-10-28 19:05:32 +0100 | tzh | (~tzh@c-76-115-131-146.hsd1.or.comcast.net) tzh |
| 2024-10-28 19:05:32 +0100 | <sshine> | (assuming I'm already on the 95th floor of Nix Towers) |
| 2024-10-28 19:05:37 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Bowuigi> sshine The strongest argument against that is that nixpkgs is a stupidly large record (100k fields pretty much) |
| 2024-10-28 19:06:45 +0100 | <sshine> | Bowuigi: I see that some people try to talk about schemas. surely one could imagine gradual/optional typing? |
| 2024-10-28 19:06:52 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Bowuigi> It could work with a row typed lang with smalltt level performance tho |
| 2024-10-28 19:06:53 +0100 | vglfr | (~vglfr@c-73-250-25-113.hsd1.md.comcast.net) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) |
| 2024-10-28 19:07:04 +0100 | <sshine> | what's smalltt? |
| 2024-10-28 19:07:42 +0100 | vglfr | (~vglfr@2607:fb91:1481:17a0:ac39:6af7:4dd8:d9b1) vglfr |
| 2024-10-28 19:07:54 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Bowuigi> https://github.com/AndrasKovacs/smalltt the fastest dependently typed lang around |
| 2024-10-28 19:08:08 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Bowuigi> By the author of flatparse |
| 2024-10-28 19:08:26 +0100 | <dolio> | Is it faster than ATS? |
| 2024-10-28 19:08:33 +0100 | morb | (~morb@pool-108-41-100-120.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) |
| 2024-10-28 19:09:20 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Bowuigi> Typechecking should be, evaluation depends on whether ATS is being compiled or interpreted and the size of the program |
| 2024-10-28 19:10:11 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Bowuigi> Gradual typing is a bad idea that happened to barely work a few times. Combine that with union types and you get a type system that is easy to render useless or distracting (like TypeScript) |
| 2024-10-28 19:11:55 +0100 | LukeHoersten | (~LukeHoers@user/lukehoersten) (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) |
| 2024-10-28 19:11:56 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Bowuigi> Nix requires something like the lang I'm designing (F omega, row types, generic row operations, etc) but a bit simpler and way faster |
| 2024-10-28 19:12:03 +0100 | vglfr | (~vglfr@2607:fb91:1481:17a0:ac39:6af7:4dd8:d9b1) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2024-10-28 19:12:40 +0100 | <sshine> | it occurs to me that Nix is particularly well-suited for row types |
| 2024-10-28 19:12:41 +0100 | vglfr | (~vglfr@2607:fb90:a837:c1df:ad6:1a51:e325:8c1) vglfr |
| 2024-10-28 19:12:56 +0100 | <sshine> | sorry, vice versa |
| 2024-10-28 19:14:28 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Bowuigi> Indeed, row types are supposed to work well with records and variants, and since Nix uses both extensively (mkForce, mkDefault and friends are variants that change the behaviour of record merging) |
| 2024-10-28 19:14:48 +0100 | Nachtgespenst | (~user@user/siracusa) (Quit: Bye!) |
| 2024-10-28 19:16:13 +0100 | morb | (~morb@pool-108-41-100-120.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 2024-10-28 19:16:41 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Bowuigi> The slowest parts of Nix are importing nixpkgs and actually building. We can fix the first one by, well, not using a huge record defined across a gazillion files. Separate the ecosystem into categories and import each separately, heavily reducing the IO operations and the execution time |
| 2024-10-28 19:17:55 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Bowuigi> Building can't get much faster than it is now, maybe changing the shell helps but likely not much. As usual, other measures to make compilation quicker (ccache, using a faster linker, etc) could also help |
| 2024-10-28 19:18:48 +0100 | <dolio> | ATS is a frankenstein's monster system with all kinds of low-levelish stuff. |
| 2024-10-28 19:18:58 +0100 | <dolio> | And questionable amounts of actual dependent typing. |
| 2024-10-28 19:19:19 +0100 | <dolio> | I think you can write things that are very fast, though. |
| 2024-10-28 19:21:16 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Bowuigi> Likely, yeah, smalltt is interpreted (very quickly, haven't yet seen benchmarks against Lua/LuaJIT tho) so it can't get low level and super optimized |
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| 2024-10-28 19:46:01 +0100 | <lxsameer> | hey folks, do you know any library to interact with hackage API? |
| 2024-10-28 19:47:07 +0100 | jumper149 | (~jumper149@base.felixspringer.xyz) jumper149 |
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| 2024-10-28 20:07:01 +0100 | <[exa]> | lxsameer: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/hackage-api ? |
| 2024-10-28 20:09:12 +0100 | <[exa]> | (not at all sure how complete that is. cabal-install pkg has Distribution.Client.xxx modules that might contain interesting stuff too) |
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| 2024-10-28 20:11:35 +0100 | sawilagar | (~sawilagar@user/sawilagar) sawilagar |
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| 2024-10-28 20:16:54 +0100 | <lxsameer> | [exa]: cabal-install does not export that module as far as I know |
| 2024-10-28 20:17:17 +0100 | <[exa]> | :( |
| 2024-10-28 20:17:45 +0100 | <lxsameer> | and hackage-api seems to lack the dependency resolving part |
| 2024-10-28 20:18:10 +0100 | <[exa]> | ah the dependency solver is hardly a part of the API |
| 2024-10-28 20:19:02 +0100 | <lxsameer> | oh so do you know how to get a list of dependencies of a package? given the name of the package only and not a cabal file |
| 2024-10-28 20:20:33 +0100 | <[exa]> | ok not sure if that's in hackage API, intuitively I'd say you download and parse the .cabal file |
| 2024-10-28 20:21:16 +0100 | weary-traveler | (~user@user/user363627) user363627 |
| 2024-10-28 20:21:32 +0100 | <lxsameer> | [exa]: it has the endpoint for it according to https://hackage.haskell.org/api#serverapi |
| 2024-10-28 20:21:34 +0100 | <[exa]> | there's a /package/???/dependencies endpoint but that's not API per se, it returns HTML |
| 2024-10-28 20:21:37 +0100 | <lxsameer> | but it only returns http |
| 2024-10-28 20:21:42 +0100 | <lxsameer> | *html |
| 2024-10-28 20:21:43 +0100 | <sclv> | the hackage api is restful json and self-documented, the lib to interact with it is wreq or any equivalent |
| 2024-10-28 20:22:06 +0100 | <sclv> | if you pass a different content type you will get json not html |
| 2024-10-28 20:22:31 +0100 | <lxsameer> | no that's not the case here |
| 2024-10-28 20:22:41 +0100 | <lxsameer> | it returns html only |
| 2024-10-28 20:22:56 +0100 | <lxsameer> | curl -H 'Accept: application/json' https://hackage.haskell.org/package/aeson/dependencies |
| 2024-10-28 20:23:14 +0100 | <[exa]> | yap |
| 2024-10-28 20:23:34 +0100 | ljdarj | (~Thunderbi@user/ljdarj) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2024-10-28 20:23:40 +0100 | <[exa]> | or there's some cooler way that's not super obvious |
| 2024-10-28 20:24:44 +0100 | <lxsameer> | probably |
| 2024-10-28 20:26:14 +0100 | <geekosaur> | dependency resolving is in the cabal-install-solver package fwiw |
| 2024-10-28 20:26:45 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-10-28 20:28:02 +0100 | <[exa]> | lxsameer: you might steal it from hackage-server pkg, there's `flatDependencies :: GenericPackageDescription -> [[Dependency]]`, the package description type is from cabal-syntax |
| 2024-10-28 20:28:17 +0100 | LukeHoersten | (~LukeHoers@user/lukehoersten) LukeHoersten |
| 2024-10-28 20:28:46 +0100 | son0p | (~ff@186.119.84.216) son0p |
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| 2024-10-28 20:32:58 +0100 | SlackCoder | (~SlackCode@64-94-63-8.ip.weststar.net.ky) SlackCoder |
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| 2024-10-28 20:40:42 +0100 | <sclv> | lxsameer: yep, indeed the dependencies feature is html only. i agree that the right thing to do is parse it from the cabal file |
| 2024-10-28 20:41:42 +0100 | <geekosaur> | cabal-plan might be helpful? or even using jq on plan.json |
| 2024-10-28 20:42:10 +0100 | <geekosaur> | (whihc should make it easier to exclude transitive deps if needed) |
| 2024-10-28 20:44:35 +0100 | sinbad | (~sinbad@user/sinbad) Sinbad |
| 2024-10-28 20:44:49 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-10-28 20:44:55 +0100 | euleritian | (~euleritia@dynamic-176-006-145-033.176.6.pool.telefonica.de) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2024-10-28 20:45:11 +0100 | euleritian | (~euleritia@ip4d16fc38.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) |
| 2024-10-28 20:46:48 +0100 | <monochrom> | Nice, TIL jq. |
| 2024-10-28 20:47:11 +0100 | <sshine> | monochrom, you didn't use jq until today? |
| 2024-10-28 20:47:12 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | jq is really quite nic! |
| 2024-10-28 20:47:15 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | *nice |
| 2024-10-28 20:47:17 +0100 | euleritian | (~euleritia@ip4d16fc38.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2024-10-28 20:47:35 +0100 | <sshine> | I built a jq parser in Haskell, but I never did anything with it. |
| 2024-10-28 20:47:58 +0100 | euleritian | (~euleritia@ip4d16fc38.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) |
| 2024-10-28 20:49:12 +0100 | <sshine> | I thought it'd be cool to do inline jq to transform JSON values. |
| 2024-10-28 20:49:30 +0100 | jc_nn | (~jc@2803:c180:2003:5c33:6f77:c169:b2b:789f) |
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| 2024-10-28 20:50:26 +0100 | <sshine> | man, I just enjoy so much adding .nix files to my old projects and see them just compile with the old toolchain before I bump the toolchain and see that them just compile again. |
| 2024-10-28 20:50:56 +0100 | <ncf> | i built a jq semantics in haskell but was too lazy to write a parser |
| 2024-10-28 20:51:07 +0100 | <sshine> | ncf, cool. I only have the parser, haha. |
| 2024-10-28 20:51:09 +0100 | <ncf> | we should join forces |
| 2024-10-28 20:51:34 +0100 | <Hecate> | there's something to do, indeed :) |
| 2024-10-28 20:53:12 +0100 | <ncf> | it was more of an experiment with optics than a jq implementation, i guess https://github.com/ncfavier/jq-optics |
| 2024-10-28 20:54:02 +0100 | <monochrom> | sshine: I didn't even know that it exists! |
| 2024-10-28 20:55:23 +0100 | <monochrom> | I almost started to write my own Haskell code to just parse and reformat JSON. Now I don't have to. |
| 2024-10-28 20:56:21 +0100 | <sshine> | mine was mostly an experiment to engage more people at Hacktoberfest 2019 :P https://github.com/sshine/hs-jq |
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| 2024-10-28 21:52:19 +0100 | <jc_nn> | hello, my register in gitlab.haskell.org is still pending, i'm following an important issue there.. |
| 2024-10-28 21:53:19 +0100 | morb | (~morb@pool-108-41-100-120.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) |
| 2024-10-28 21:56:42 +0100 | tromp | (~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) |
| 2024-10-28 21:57:41 +0100 | <geekosaur> | username? |
| 2024-10-28 21:57:48 +0100 | morb | (~morb@pool-108-41-100-120.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2024-10-28 21:58:05 +0100 | <geekosaur> | you seem to have tried #haskell-beginners earlier? I'm pretty sure the instructions tell you #ghc or the ghc-devs mailing list |
| 2024-10-28 21:58:51 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-10-28 21:58:52 +0100 | <jc_nn> | nnasunknown |
| 2024-10-28 21:59:21 +0100 | <geekosaur> | should be approved |
| 2024-10-28 21:59:42 +0100 | <geekosaur> | if you're also the one who just applied then what do you want me to do witht hat? |
| 2024-10-28 21:59:49 +0100 | <jc_nn> | yes, i come from #haskell-begginers |
| 2024-10-28 22:00:30 +0100 | <geekosaur> | you didn't stick around long, I was asleep and none of the other gitlab admins reads that channel |
| 2024-10-28 22:00:38 +0100 | <jc_nn> | thanks |
| 2024-10-28 22:00:46 +0100 | <geekosaur> | it's mostly there for people reading Chris Allen's book |
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| 2024-10-28 22:08:02 +0100 | <jc_nn> | Yes, I just tried it with JCS... I thought it was a layer 8 error |
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