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| 2024-10-11 01:56:19 +0200 | Zer000 | (~02@64.137.132.10) Zer000 |
| 2024-10-11 01:59:33 +0200 | <Zer000> | whoa wait a second, my application just changed the way it calculates numbers but all I did was add a print statement! I'm looking at the diff and besides print out a list (generated purely from two Integers), I refactored a very simple toInteger call to be it's own variable name using let. How the heck is this possible?? Before my application was crashing because it was trying to use (!!) with a negative index on a list. |
| 2024-10-11 02:00:57 +0200 | dcoutts__ | (~duncan@host86-143-111-204.range86-143.btcentralplus.com) |
| 2024-10-11 02:01:44 +0200 | <c_wraith> | let-generalization is a thing. values bound in a let become polymorphic when they wouldn't if used inline. maybe there's something going on with that? |
| 2024-10-11 02:02:14 +0200 | ChaiTRex | (~ChaiTRex@user/chaitrex) (Remote host closed the connection) |
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| 2024-10-11 02:02:18 +0200 | <monochrom> | You will understand that generally I don't trust random people on the internet when they say "that's the only difference, everything else is identical, I swear". |
| 2024-10-11 02:02:37 +0200 | ChaiTRex | (~ChaiTRex@user/chaitrex) ChaiTRex |
| 2024-10-11 02:02:42 +0200 | <c_wraith> | if it is the only difference, it's easy to pop back and forth! |
| 2024-10-11 02:03:02 +0200 | <Zer000> | here is the diff! |
| 2024-10-11 02:03:03 +0200 | <Zer000> | https://dpaste.com/GYYM5LCAX |
| 2024-10-11 02:03:23 +0200 | JuanDaugherty | (~juan@user/JuanDaugherty) JuanDaugherty |
| 2024-10-11 02:04:01 +0200 | <Zer000> | the program reads data from disks, but they aren't mounted and only read from. So unless the data magically changed on the because of a cosmic ray, that's about the only thing that changed. |
| 2024-10-11 02:04:25 +0200 | <c_wraith> | so did you temporarily revert the change to verify? |
| 2024-10-11 02:05:13 +0200 | <c_wraith> | also, wow that pastebin handles mobile poorly. |
| 2024-10-11 02:05:39 +0200 | <Zer000> | It's still running, so I'll see how far it gets before crashing. this is a distance record atm and i don't wanna touch it. but I've ran a few times before that change and it crashed in the same place every time. |
| 2024-10-11 02:05:50 +0200 | <Zer000> | c_wraith, I can repaste if you have a better place |
| 2024-10-11 02:05:53 +0200 | lol_ | jcarpenter2 |
| 2024-10-11 02:05:59 +0200 | <Zer000> | what's a good pastebin? |
| 2024-10-11 02:06:02 +0200 | <c_wraith> | @where paste |
| 2024-10-11 02:06:02 +0200 | <lambdabot> | Help us help you: please paste full code, input and/or output at e.g. https://paste.tomsmeding.com |
| 2024-10-11 02:06:40 +0200 | <Zer000> | https://paste.tomsmeding.com/OpuMYlD1 |
| 2024-10-11 02:07:11 +0200 | <Zer000> | I'm excited because it's running but it's freaking me out. i'll read about that let-generalization though |
| 2024-10-11 02:08:02 +0200 | __monty__ | (~toonn@user/toonn) (Quit: leaving) |
| 2024-10-11 02:08:37 +0200 | <Lears> | Zer000: You also changed `E.diskNumBytes` to `E.diskBytenr`. |
| 2024-10-11 02:10:50 +0200 | <Zer000> | DOH! |
| 2024-10-11 02:10:54 +0200 | <Zer000> | That's probably it :) |
| 2024-10-11 02:15:10 +0200 | quintasan | (~quassel@quintasan.pl) () |
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| 2024-10-11 02:48:04 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <thirdofmay18081814goya> what are some interesting/useful/neat type-level data types and functions? |
| 2024-10-11 02:48:12 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <thirdofmay18081814goya> vague answers only, am practicing type-level programming |
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| 2024-10-11 12:48:22 +0200 | <lxsameer> | hey folks, I heard it a lot that haskell ruins other langs for you as a programmer, just out of curiosity, do you know any lang "better" (air quote) than Haskell? |
| 2024-10-11 12:50:05 +0200 | <opqdonut> | well if you want something "more haskell than haskell", try agda or perhaps (arguably) purescript |
| 2024-10-11 12:50:36 +0200 | gehmehgeh | (~user@user/gehmehgeh) gehmehgeh |
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| 2024-10-11 12:57:24 +0200 | <mari-estel> | kool kids use lean nowadays |
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| 2024-10-11 13:00:06 +0200 | <araujo> | lxsameer, Haskell certainly does that |
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| 2024-10-11 13:04:18 +0200 | <lxsameer> | opqdonut: don't know about purescript but tried Agda before |
| 2024-10-11 13:04:38 +0200 | <lxsameer> | araujo: i think so yeah |
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| 2024-10-11 13:07:28 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | lxsameer: haskell is not good for every application |
| 2024-10-11 13:08:14 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | it's very expressive at writing compiler-like programs, and certainly the way it guides one in structuring one's program is one that is good to have under your belt |
| 2024-10-11 13:08:20 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | and IMO also a very enjoyable one |
| 2024-10-11 13:08:52 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | it also has a very high abstraction ceiling, even for code that is "low-level"-ish in the sense of mutable arrays and calling C functions |
| 2024-10-11 13:09:18 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | but it can only go so low into the concrete level; writing code that is really competitive with optimised C code at numerical stuff is hard to impossible |
| 2024-10-11 13:09:51 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | or algorithms that are really mutation-based, like some dynamic programming algorithms |
| 2024-10-11 13:10:37 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | while you _can_ express them, to get any semblance of performance in haskell you have to use ST, which makes the code very verbose and not necessarily easier to read than C code; you do still have a separation between the pure code and the impure code, but at some point that trades off against verbosity and clarity |
| 2024-10-11 13:10:49 +0200 | <lxsameer> | it's a trade off after all |
| 2024-10-11 13:10:51 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@77.242.116.146) merijn |
| 2024-10-11 13:10:58 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | and even if you go deep on ST and unboxed stuff, C can still beat you 2x |
| 2024-10-11 13:11:06 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | (I've seen that happen) |
| 2024-10-11 13:11:31 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | knowing haskell certainly spoils you for a lot of problem domains, but there are certainly domains left where haskell would not be my first choice |
| 2024-10-11 13:11:56 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | perhaps this gives some perspective :) |
| 2024-10-11 13:12:15 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | so "better" than haskell at competitive programming or kernel code would be C++ or Rust |
| 2024-10-11 13:12:49 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | "better" than haskell at highly verifiable prototype implementations of compiler stuff is Agda |
| 2024-10-11 13:13:05 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | "better" than haskell at simple FP code where laziness is more a pain than a boon is OCaml |
| 2024-10-11 13:13:28 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | "better" than haskell at lensy code is perhaps nothing else currently :p |
| 2024-10-11 13:13:40 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | and various stuff that I already mentioned |
| 2024-10-11 13:13:52 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | (disclaimer I don't use lens) |
| 2024-10-11 13:15:30 +0200 | acidjnk | (~acidjnk@p200300d6e72cfb85c0de74302d76eade.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2024-10-11 13:17:31 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | lxsameer: but about spoiling: after using haskell a lot, writing _anything_ that you would use a sum type for in Haskell in a language like C++ without proper sum types is a royal pain in the behind that makes you long for the good days of haskell |
| 2024-10-11 13:17:39 +0200 | acidjnk | (~acidjnk@p200300d6e72cfb8501454db6567a02c6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) acidjnk |
| 2024-10-11 13:18:49 +0200 | comerijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-10-11 13:18:52 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | "C++ has sum types, it has std::variant" std::variant is a monstrosity that can only be deemed sufficient by people so deep in C++ stockholm syndrome that the way out is like being the Minotaur |
| 2024-10-11 13:21:10 +0200 | <Franciman> | lol |
| 2024-10-11 13:21:27 +0200 | Lord_of_Life | (~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915) (Excess Flood) |
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| 2024-10-11 13:27:29 +0200 | <lxsameer> | tomsmeding: thanks for the insight |
| 2024-10-11 13:28:10 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | :) |
| 2024-10-11 13:28:12 +0200 | Lord_of_Life | (~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915) Lord_of_Life |
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| 2024-10-11 13:48:29 +0200 | athan | (~athan@syn-098-153-145-140.biz.spectrum.com) athan |
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| 2024-10-11 14:53:51 +0200 | weary-traveler | (~user@user/user363627) user363627 |
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| 2024-10-11 15:08:42 +0200 | L29Ah | (~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah) L29Ah |
| 2024-10-11 15:09:09 +0200 | youthlic | (~Thunderbi@user/youthlic) (Remote host closed the connection) |
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| 2024-10-11 15:10:56 +0200 | <Square2> | is there some language agnostic protocol suitable for interprocess communication? Say calling methods in haskell from other languages. |
| 2024-10-11 15:11:41 +0200 | youthlic | (~Thunderbi@user/youthlic) youthlic |
| 2024-10-11 15:14:35 +0200 | <__monty__> | I think that's what gRPC and Cap'n Proto try to be? |
| 2024-10-11 15:14:47 +0200 | <Square2> | I guess I mean sending/reciving messages. |
| 2024-10-11 15:15:01 +0200 | <__monty__> | There's also various message queue libraries like ZeroMQ. |
| 2024-10-11 15:16:23 +0200 | Smiles | (uid551636@id-551636.lymington.irccloud.com) Smiles |
| 2024-10-11 15:17:45 +0200 | <Square2> | __monty__, cap'n proto looks nice. protobuffers feels less elegant to me. |
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| 2024-10-11 15:19:38 +0200 | carbolymer | (~carbolyme@dropacid.net) carbolymer |
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| 2024-10-11 15:40:43 +0200 | <Square2> | Anyone got any experience of working with cap'n proto for Haskell? Does it feel ergonomic? |
| 2024-10-11 15:41:59 +0200 | <Square2> | I couldn't find a "haskell types -> schema" function, which wouldv'e felt practical to get going fast. |
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| 2024-10-11 15:54:48 +0200 | <k`> | Is there any way to force GHC to statically compile a data structure? I'm generating an IntSet in a source file from the union of a lot of ranges. The set itself is relatively small (thanks to the clever implementation of IntSet), but the resulting interface file and binary are huge. I have already marked the set NOTINLINE and tried O0, O1, and O2. |
| 2024-10-11 15:56:25 +0200 | <k`> | Plus the app has to build the set each time it is run. |
| 2024-10-11 15:56:41 +0200 | <geekosaur> | I think the best you can do is compute it in TH? |
| 2024-10-11 15:57:02 +0200 | <geekosaur> | but that'll probably explode compile time instead |
| 2024-10-11 15:57:22 +0200 | <k`> | You mean by importing the internal constructors from containers and using that? |
| 2024-10-11 15:57:33 +0200 | dcoutts_ | (~duncan@2a00:23c6:1c8d:901:b94:4566:9d63:4848) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) |
| 2024-10-11 15:57:52 +0200 | <k`> | The compile time shouldn't be any longer than building the set at startup time, so that's a tradeoff I a eager to make. |
| 2024-10-11 15:58:27 +0200 | <geekosaur> | the no-thinking-needed way is just to do the generation in TH without recourse to internals and put a reference to the result in the AST |
| 2024-10-11 15:58:59 +0200 | <geekosaur> | GHC in general will not do this itself because it necessarily alters strictness properties |
| 2024-10-11 15:59:28 +0200 | <k`> | So essentially that's like having a bang at the top level? Template haskell forces the evaluation, and then you inline the result? |
| 2024-10-11 15:59:40 +0200 | <geekosaur> | not just bang but `rnf` |
| 2024-10-11 16:00:19 +0200 | <k`> | Very cool. Convoluted, but I think that's exactly what I need. I do think that IntSet is strict, so rnf should be the same as a bang. |
| 2024-10-11 16:02:12 +0200 | cfricke | (~cfricke@user/cfricke) cfricke |
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| 2024-10-11 16:22:08 +0200 | <sweater1> | I wonder if y'all know how to install shell completions for a binary Haskell distribution with Nix Flake. Here is the current flake: https://github.com/doma-engineering/passveil/blob/main/flake.nix |
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| 2024-10-11 17:43:47 +0200 | <k`> | geekosaur: Using template Haskell not only massively shrunk compiled size, it also sped up compilation by orders of magnitude. |
| 2024-10-11 17:44:24 +0200 | <k`> | I think having GHC running optimizing passes over all those little Int thunks was doing terrible things. |
| 2024-10-11 17:46:17 +0200 | <c_wraith> | huh. IntSet having a Lift instance is pretty recent. |
| 2024-10-11 17:46:30 +0200 | <c_wraith> | But a very pleasant change |
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| 2024-10-11 17:54:32 +0200 | <k`> | Yeah, It's very nice. In this case it also dropped the cmm dump from about 200,000 loc to about 17,000 loc. |
| 2024-10-11 17:55:13 +0200 | <k`> | And compilation time from about 30 seconds to under a second. |
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| 2024-10-11 18:02:42 +0200 | <geekosaur> | first time I've ever heard of TH making compilation faster |
| 2024-10-11 18:03:07 +0200 | <c_wraith> | I really don't understand what you were doing that made GHC do what it was before. The only thing I can think of is that it was attempting to inline the definition everywhere and run rules with a lot of simplifier steps on it |
| 2024-10-11 18:04:01 +0200 | <c_wraith> | I suppose you could test if a simple NOINLINE pragma also does anything useful |
| 2024-10-11 18:04:42 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2024-10-11 18:05:38 +0200 | <geekosaur> | didn't they say they already did that? |
| 2024-10-11 18:05:51 +0200 | <geekosaur> | [11 13:54:48] <k`> Is there any way to force GHC to statically compile a data structure? I'm generating an IntSet in a source file from the union of a lot of ranges. The set itself is relatively small (thanks to the clever implementation of IntSet), but the resulting interface file and binary are huge. I have already marked the set NOTINLINE and tried O0, O1, and O2. |
| 2024-10-11 18:06:08 +0200 | <geekosaur> | (well, called it NOTINLINE, hopefully that was only typoed on IRC) |
| 2024-10-11 18:06:42 +0200 | <c_wraith> | Oh, I didn't scroll back quite that far. |
| 2024-10-11 18:06:44 +0200 | cfricke | (~cfricke@user/cfricke) (Quit: WeeChat 4.2.2) |
| 2024-10-11 18:08:01 +0200 | <c_wraith> | But seriously, inappropriate inlining is the only way I can explain the observed results of generating it with TH reducing code size and compilation time. |
| 2024-10-11 18:08:21 +0200 | <k`> | NOTINLINE isn't a typo. Try it out. |
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| 2024-10-11 18:08:49 +0200 | <geekosaur> | "NOTINLINE" would get you an unrecognized pragma warning |
| 2024-10-11 18:08:57 +0200 | gabiruh | (~gabiruh@vps19177.publiccloud.com.br) gabiruh |
| 2024-10-11 18:08:57 +0200 | <geekosaur> | it's "NOINLINE" |
| 2024-10-11 18:09:08 +0200 | <k`> | You say that, but clearly you haven't tried it. |
| 2024-10-11 18:09:11 +0200 | <geekosaur> | (well, if you had warnings enabled)] |
| 2024-10-11 18:09:29 +0200 | <k`> | 'NOTINLINE' is the original form from the Haskell spec. It still works. |
| 2024-10-11 18:09:56 +0200 | <geekosaur> | I say that with backing from the manual https://downloads.haskell.org/ghc/latest/docs/users_guide/exts/pragmas.html#inline-and-noinline-pr… |
| 2024-10-11 18:10:50 +0200 | <k`> | Ah, guess I'm the fool. I'll try to rewrite that muscle memory. |
| 2024-10-11 18:10:55 +0200 | <geekosaur> | oh, huh, it does say once I follow the chains that NOTINLINE is accepted |
| 2024-10-11 18:10:57 +0200 | <geekosaur> | interesting |
| 2024-10-11 18:11:13 +0200 | <geekosaur> | "NOTINLINE is a synonym for NOINLINE (NOINLINE is specified by Haskell 98 as the standard way to disable inlining, so it should be used if you want your code to be portable)." |
| 2024-10-11 18:12:54 +0200 | <geekosaur> | kinda says soemthing that I've never seen that before, apparently nobody cares about compatibility at all |
| 2024-10-11 18:15:43 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-10-11 18:17:25 +0200 | <k`> | Anyway, I was automatically generating huge IntSets representing grapheme break properties, and GHC was compiling them into tens of thousands of thunks (and, in the case of O0, leaving the set definitions completely unevaluated). Using a splice has the desired effect of dumping each branch of the set literally into the simplifier, and since GHC |
| 2024-10-11 18:17:26 +0200 | <k`> | can't do anything with them, it leaves them alone. And of course the number of set branches is the log of the number of thunks it was creating before. |
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| 2024-10-11 19:25:07 +0200 | raehik | (~raehik@rdng-25-b2-v4wan-169990-cust1344.vm39.cable.virginm.net) raehik |
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| 2024-10-11 19:31:42 +0200 | <raehik> | I want to meaningfully mark some modules as "internal/doesn't follow PVP", but I don't want to place them under an `Internal` folder. What could I perhaps do instead? |
| 2024-10-11 19:32:20 +0200 | todi | (~todi@p57803331.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) todi |
| 2024-10-11 19:32:32 +0200 | <raehik> | isn't there some metadata you can write that gets displayed on the Haddocks? can I use that to state internal/unstable? |
| 2024-10-11 19:33:51 +0200 | <geekosaur> | I think the best you can do is something in the top matter (for example, see https://hackage.haskell.org/package/ghc-9.10.1) |
| 2024-10-11 19:34:14 +0200 | <geekosaur> | but in your case that would be per module instead of in the README |
| 2024-10-11 19:35:14 +0200 | <geekosaur> | "Internal" is just a convention, not a requirement |
| 2024-10-11 19:35:19 +0200 | <raehik> | so Haddock has the Stability field. but personally I have never ever read it lol |
| 2024-10-11 19:35:29 +0200 | <geekosaur> | yes, it's essentially useless though |
| 2024-10-11 19:35:43 +0200 | <raehik> | geekosaur: yeah, I guess I feel like the meaning of `Internal` is understood well enough to be useful |
| 2024-10-11 19:36:11 +0200 | <raehik> | I guess I'll just copy paste a line into each module docstring |
| 2024-10-11 19:36:30 +0200 | <raehik> | thx for the tip :) |
| 2024-10-11 19:37:45 +0200 | <geekosaur> | the problem with the Stability field is that, as it's actually used, it suffers from "There's this special biologist word we use for 'stable'. We call it 'dead'." |
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| 2024-10-11 19:40:53 +0200 | <raehik> | lol |
| 2024-10-11 19:41:06 +0200 | <geekosaur> | (that is, everyone's afraid to mark something "stable" because that would mean they can't change it in the future. PVP expresses this more practically, so "Stability" has essentially dropped out of use.) |
| 2024-10-11 19:41:41 +0200 | <raehik> | there was some blog post in the past year concerning good & bad versioning practices in Haskell/using the PVP... can't remembre |
| 2024-10-11 19:43:07 +0200 | vanishingideal | (~vanishing@user/vanishingideal) vanishingideal |
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| 2024-10-11 19:51:08 +0200 | <yushyin> | raehik: the blog post that comes to mind is https://nikita-volkov.github.io/internal-convention-is-a-mistake/ |
| 2024-10-11 19:54:47 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-10-11 19:55:12 +0200 | <geekosaur> | problem with that article is that there really are cases when internals normally best kept hidden need to be exposed. redesigning your API does not change this |
| 2024-10-11 19:56:00 +0200 | <geekosaur> | unless the idea is that there are never ever any hidden parts (goodbye smart constructors, goodbye type safety of `Map`, …) |
| 2024-10-11 19:56:13 +0200 | <geekosaur> | it's just a different road to hell, as usual paved with good intentions |
| 2024-10-11 19:56:30 +0200 | <dolio> | Yeah, it doesn't seem like it's a reasonable position. |
| 2024-10-11 19:56:31 +0200 | acidjnk_new | (~acidjnk@p200300d6e72cfb8559afb38ba3995c38.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) acidjnk |
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| 2024-10-11 19:59:39 +0200 | <geekosaur> | that's not to claim "Internals" isn't flawed, but at least if I see "Internals" somewhere I know someone (possibly me) has made a judgement call to break the rules |
| 2024-10-11 19:59:58 +0200 | <geekosaur> | if people are doing so indiscriminately, we have a social / communication problem |
| 2024-10-11 20:01:15 +0200 | ljdarj | (~Thunderbi@user/ljdarj) ljdarj |
| 2024-10-11 20:03:36 +0200 | <geekosaur> | sorry, not type safety, soundness |
| 2024-10-11 20:05:36 +0200 | <dolio> | I don't know that it's always possible to anticipate when someone downstream will need to actually make use of the internals. So it doesn't seem that far fetched to say that it should be possible to get at them, with the understanding of what you're doing. |
| 2024-10-11 20:05:54 +0200 | <raehik> | yay thx yushyin that was it! I don't claim it's gospel, but I've tended towards his suggestion in that post (more small libraries) |
| 2024-10-11 20:06:07 +0200 | <dolio> | But if that leads people to say that the internals must be as stable as the public API, then my response would just be that people insisting that have ruined it for everyone. |
| 2024-10-11 20:10:35 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
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| 2024-10-11 20:19:39 +0200 | <geekosaur> | (I'll also note that `Map` is something of a hack, but it's the best we can do with Haskell as it currently exists. SML/NJ has a better solution.) |
| 2024-10-11 20:20:15 +0200 | vanishingideal | (~vanishing@user/vanishingideal) (Quit: leaving) |
| 2024-10-11 20:20:39 +0200 | briandaed | (~root@185.234.210.211) (Quit: Lost terminal) |
| 2024-10-11 20:20:54 +0200 | <yushyin> | raehik: happy to help :) |
| 2024-10-11 20:21:03 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-10-11 20:22:58 +0200 | ash3en | (~Thunderbi@2a03:7846:b6eb:101:93ac:a90a:da67:f207) ash3en |
| 2024-10-11 20:23:20 +0200 | <Square2> | As I'm not getting hits on google. On my fresh ubuntu 24.04 machine I'm getting: |
| 2024-10-11 20:23:24 +0200 | <Square2> | > cabal2nix: nix-prefetch-url: createProcess: posix_spawnp: does not exist (No such file or directory) |
| 2024-10-11 20:23:25 +0200 | <lambdabot> | error: Variable not in scope: cabal2nixerror: |
| 2024-10-11 20:23:25 +0200 | <lambdabot> | • Variable not in scope: nix |
| 2024-10-11 20:23:25 +0200 | <lambdabot> | • Perhaps you meant one of these: |
| 2024-10-11 20:23:45 +0200 | vanishingideal | (~vanishing@user/vanishingideal) vanishingideal |
| 2024-10-11 20:24:16 +0200 | <Square2> | ..for most of my nix based projects. |
| 2024-10-11 20:25:25 +0200 | raehik | (~raehik@rdng-25-b2-v4wan-169990-cust1344.vm39.cable.virginm.net) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2024-10-11 20:26:33 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> I saw exactly that when trying to "make" a cmake build directory generated by non nix cmake. But no idea what it means, deleting the directory and rerunning helped |
| 2024-10-11 20:26:43 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> Try deleting "dist-newstyle" |
| 2024-10-11 20:29:24 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
| 2024-10-11 20:36:31 +0200 | KicksonButt | (~quassel@187.21.174.221) |
| 2024-10-11 20:36:31 +0200 | <KicksonButt> | Sup, world |
| 2024-10-11 20:36:32 +0200 | euleritian | (~euleritia@ip4d16fc38.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2024-10-11 20:37:15 +0200 | euleritian | (~euleritia@ip4d16fc38.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) |
| 2024-10-11 20:37:33 +0200 | <KicksonButt> | > [x | x <- ['A'..'Z'] |
| 2024-10-11 20:37:35 +0200 | <lambdabot> | <hint>:1:21: error: |
| 2024-10-11 20:37:35 +0200 | <lambdabot> | parse error (possibly incorrect indentation or mismatched brackets) |
| 2024-10-11 20:39:07 +0200 | <KicksonButt> | > [x | x <- ['A'..'Z']] |
| 2024-10-11 20:39:09 +0200 | <lambdabot> | "ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ" |
| 2024-10-11 20:39:59 +0200 | <KicksonButt> | How do I implement something like x-'A'+'a' to invert case? |
| 2024-10-11 20:40:28 +0200 | <dolio> | > ord 'A' |
| 2024-10-11 20:40:30 +0200 | <lambdabot> | 65 |
| 2024-10-11 20:40:41 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-10-11 20:40:55 +0200 | <KicksonButt> | Thanks |
| 2024-10-11 20:41:22 +0200 | <dolio> | > let f c = chr (ord c - ord 'A' + ord 'a') in map f ['A'..'Z'] |
| 2024-10-11 20:41:24 +0200 | <lambdabot> | "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz" |
| 2024-10-11 20:42:17 +0200 | <dolio> | > map toLower ['A'..'Z'] |
| 2024-10-11 20:42:18 +0200 | <lambdabot> | "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz" |
| 2024-10-11 20:44:13 +0200 | <geekosaur> | also note that the quick and dirty way you want to use isn't safe or supported in Haskell: Unicode is the default |
| 2024-10-11 20:44:16 +0200 | aljazmc | (~aljazmc@user/aljazmc) (Quit: Leaving) |
| 2024-10-11 20:45:05 +0200 | <geekosaur> | (there's still a way to do it but you won't get much help with it) |
| 2024-10-11 20:45:25 +0200 | mehlon | (~mehlon@user/mehlon) mehlon |
| 2024-10-11 20:46:09 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) |
| 2024-10-11 20:51:12 +0200 | <KicksonButt> | dolio I had never seen 'in' before map; is that the same as defining f and then calling 'map f (...)' on another line? |
| 2024-10-11 20:52:03 +0200 | <mauke> | `let DEFINITIONS in EXPR` is how you define local symbols |
| 2024-10-11 20:54:33 +0200 | <KicksonButt> | Ok |
| 2024-10-11 20:54:48 +0200 | weary-traveler | (~user@user/user363627) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2024-10-11 20:55:17 +0200 | <Square2> | magic_rb, thanks. Sadly I have no dist-newstyle =/ |
| 2024-10-11 20:56:27 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-10-11 20:59:21 +0200 | raehik | (~raehik@rdng-25-b2-v4wan-169990-cust1344.vm39.cable.virginm.net) raehik |
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| 2024-10-11 21:40:45 +0200 | <Square2> | Seems my problems with nix came down to having an underscore in my cabal file. *shrug* |
| 2024-10-11 21:41:36 +0200 | weary-traveler | (~user@user/user363627) user363627 |
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