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2024-08-21 10:04:22 +0000 <lxsameer> is it possible to provide `extra-lib-dirs` to cabal via env vars?
2024-08-21 10:08:56 +0000 <int-e> https://github.com/haskell/cabal/issues/2997#issuecomment-1923468505 seems relevant
2024-08-21 10:11:20 +0000 <lxsameer> cheers
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2024-08-21 10:38:24 +0000 <albet70> is [] a type?
2024-08-21 10:38:32 +0000merijn(~merijn@77.242.116.146)
2024-08-21 10:38:44 +0000 <int-e> no. it's a type constructor
2024-08-21 10:38:45 +0000 <dans23329> :k ([])
2024-08-21 10:38:46 +0000 <lambdabot> * -> *
2024-08-21 10:39:41 +0000 <int-e> (The answer may be different depending on context but I think that's the most useful one for programming in Haskell.)
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2024-08-21 10:40:42 +0000 <albet70> [] can be value?
2024-08-21 10:40:57 +0000 <int-e> that too
2024-08-21 10:41:23 +0000 <int-e> > [] :: [] Int
2024-08-21 10:41:25 +0000 <lambdabot> []
2024-08-21 10:41:45 +0000 <int-e> data constructor and value to the left, type constructor to the right
2024-08-21 10:42:00 +0000 <int-e> [] Int would usually be written [Int].
2024-08-21 10:42:53 +0000 <int-e> But since you asked about types I assumed you were not talking about values.
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2024-08-21 10:49:11 +0000 <albet70> what [[]]::?
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2024-08-21 10:55:03 +0000 <albet70> does haskell have union type?
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2024-08-21 10:56:39 +0000 <Rembane> albet70: Yes!
2024-08-21 10:56:46 +0000 <Rembane> albet70: data T = A | B | <C
2024-08-21 10:57:51 +0000 <int-e> @src Either
2024-08-21 10:57:52 +0000 <lambdabot> Source not found. My brain just exploded
2024-08-21 10:57:53 +0000 <opqdonut> haskell has tagged unions, no untagged unions (like typescript's |)
2024-08-21 10:57:57 +0000youthlic(~Thunderbi@user/youthlic) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2024-08-21 10:58:02 +0000 <int-e> data Either a b = Left a | Right b
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2024-08-21 11:00:32 +0000 <int-e> type Sum a b = forall r. (a -> r) -> (b -> r) -> r -- "tagless", scnr
2024-08-21 11:06:22 +0000 <opqdonut> for an untagged union most people want implicit casts from X to X|Y. I think that's the defining feature.
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2024-08-21 12:02:43 +0000 <kuribas> opqdonut: that's not even a cast.
2024-08-21 12:04:12 +0000 <opqdonut> yeah subsumption or something
2024-08-21 12:04:50 +0000 <kuribas> X is a subtype of X|Y
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2024-08-21 12:10:28 +0000 <opqdonut> yeah
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2024-08-21 13:22:28 +0000 <haskellbridge> <thirdofmay18081814goya> "do [1, 2]; (+); _;" produces the compiler statement that "_ :: [b]", but there's actually no expression that fits here. why is the compiler behaving like this?
2024-08-21 13:25:09 +0000 <Rembane> Because you can have many different types in a do-block? Try to desugar it and see if it makes more sense.
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2024-08-21 13:25:30 +0000 <kuribas> in idris I could write "{a : Type} -> Either (a = Int) (a = Float) => a -> b
2024-08-21 13:25:42 +0000 <kuribas> where a is basically Int | Float
2024-08-21 13:25:55 +0000 <kuribas> haskell has no disjunction constraints though AFAIK...
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2024-08-21 13:29:52 +0000 <haskellbridge> <thirdofmay18081814goya> Rembane: hm, but the statement "_ :: [b]" is wrong right? (or not even wrong, right?)
2024-08-21 13:32:14 +0000 <haskellbridge> <thirdofmay18081814goya> -(or not even wrong, right?)
2024-08-21 13:36:01 +0000 <Rembane> It doesn't know. It can be anything.
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2024-08-21 13:38:02 +0000 <haskellbridge> <thirdofmay18081814goya> Rembane: noted, ty
2024-08-21 13:39:28 +0000 <Rembane> No worries!
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2024-08-21 14:08:00 +0000 <EvanR> :t do [1, 2]; (+); []
2024-08-21 14:08:02 +0000 <lambdabot> error:
2024-08-21 14:08:02 +0000 <lambdabot> • Couldn't match expected type ‘[a0]’
2024-08-21 14:08:02 +0000 <lambdabot> with actual type ‘a2 -> a2 -> a2’
2024-08-21 14:09:01 +0000 <EvanR> :t do [1, 2]; (+); const id
2024-08-21 14:09:02 +0000 <lambdabot> error:
2024-08-21 14:09:02 +0000 <lambdabot> • Couldn't match expected type ‘[a0]’
2024-08-21 14:09:02 +0000 <lambdabot> with actual type ‘a3 -> a3 -> a3’
2024-08-21 14:10:45 +0000 <haskellbridge> <thirdofmay18081814goya> EvanR: turns out I didn't read the top of the error message because my terminal is in a corner
2024-08-21 14:10:47 +0000 <haskellbridge> <thirdofmay18081814goya> it printed both the type error and the message
2024-08-21 14:10:58 +0000 <haskellbridge> <thirdofmay18081814goya> +hole
2024-08-21 14:11:08 +0000 <EvanR> there is a type error but now I'm wondering if there's still a way for the Num instance to be picked in such a way
2024-08-21 14:11:18 +0000 <EvanR> :t do [1,2]; (+); mempty
2024-08-21 14:11:19 +0000 <lambdabot> error:
2024-08-21 14:11:19 +0000 <lambdabot> • Couldn't match expected type ‘[a0]’
2024-08-21 14:11:19 +0000 <lambdabot> with actual type ‘a2 -> a2 -> a2’
2024-08-21 14:12:01 +0000 <EvanR> :t do [1,2]; (+); 0
2024-08-21 14:12:02 +0000 <lambdabot> error:
2024-08-21 14:12:02 +0000 <lambdabot> • Couldn't match expected type ‘[a0]’
2024-08-21 14:12:03 +0000 <lambdabot> with actual type ‘a2 -> a2 -> a2’
2024-08-21 14:12:04 +0000 <EvanR> guess not
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2024-08-21 14:21:00 +0000 <kuribas> EvanR: how is that supposed to work? You have a list monad and then a function?
2024-08-21 14:21:26 +0000 <kuribas> :t [1, 2] >> (+) >> 0
2024-08-21 14:21:27 +0000 <lambdabot> error:
2024-08-21 14:21:27 +0000 <lambdabot> • Couldn't match expected type ‘[a0]’
2024-08-21 14:21:28 +0000 <lambdabot> with actual type ‘a2 -> a2 -> a2’
2024-08-21 14:22:44 +0000 <EvanR> yeah it can't work
2024-08-21 14:23:09 +0000 <EvanR> it's a list then it's a function, does not compute
2024-08-21 14:23:29 +0000 <kuribas> :t fromList
2024-08-21 14:23:30 +0000 <lambdabot> error:
2024-08-21 14:23:30 +0000 <lambdabot> • Variable not in scope: fromList
2024-08-21 14:23:30 +0000 <lambdabot> • Perhaps you meant one of these:
2024-08-21 14:23:41 +0000 <kuribas> maybe with overloaded lists?
2024-08-21 14:23:51 +0000 <kuribas> But I am not sure what you want to do here...
2024-08-21 14:24:24 +0000 <EvanR> it was thirdofmay18081814goya's idea
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2024-08-21 14:32:44 +0000 <haskellbridge> <mauke> An implicit cast is like a verbal contract on paper
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2024-08-21 14:42:56 +0000 <kuribas> implicit casts exist, like in Python, and they suck.
2024-08-21 14:43:12 +0000 <kuribas> or javascript
2024-08-21 14:43:34 +0000 <kuribas> Where something gets cast to something else in unpredictable ways.
2024-08-21 14:43:39 +0000 <kuribas> like strings to int.
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2024-08-21 14:50:15 +0000 <haskellbridge> <mauke> It's an oxymoron
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2024-08-21 14:53:21 +0000 <EvanR> string to int that works is more like a conversion
2024-08-21 14:53:48 +0000 <EvanR> ok we're talking about implicit conversions
2024-08-21 14:54:11 +0000 <EvanR> when it's between integer types and the value is not changed, I can understand it
2024-08-21 14:54:54 +0000 <EvanR> in which case it's not much of a conversion
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2024-08-21 15:07:45 +0000 <kuribas> still a conversion on byte level
2024-08-21 15:07:57 +0000 <kuribas> you need to truncate the value.
2024-08-21 15:08:06 +0000 <kuribas> on "binary" level I mean.
2024-08-21 15:13:31 +0000 <EvanR> the binary level xD
2024-08-21 15:14:04 +0000 <EvanR> the computer is processing a stream of 0 and 1 like turing style
2024-08-21 15:17:31 +0000 <kuribas> the only "safe" conversion is from a shorter to a longer int or word.
2024-08-21 15:17:41 +0000 <kuribas> or Int to Integer.
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2024-08-21 15:28:55 +0000 <EvanR> or conversion from a longer int to a shorter int which can represent the value
2024-08-21 15:29:10 +0000 <EvanR> that it happens to be
2024-08-21 15:29:49 +0000 <EvanR> same for Double to Float
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2024-08-21 15:44:23 +0000 <kuribas> Double to Float is always a loss.
2024-08-21 15:44:54 +0000 <kuribas> Even if they represent the same number, there is a loss of precision.
2024-08-21 15:47:54 +0000 <EvanR> it's not always a loss
2024-08-21 15:48:06 +0000 <EvanR> there are values which can be represented by both types
2024-08-21 15:48:24 +0000 <EvanR> so sometimes the conversion is lossless
2024-08-21 15:50:19 +0000 <EvanR> > (2.75 :: Double) == realToFrac (realToFrac (2.75 :: Double) :: Float) :: Double
2024-08-21 15:50:20 +0000 <lambdabot> error:
2024-08-21 15:50:20 +0000 <lambdabot> • Couldn't match expected type ‘Double’ with actual type ‘Bool’
2024-08-21 15:50:20 +0000 <lambdabot> • In the expression:
2024-08-21 15:50:29 +0000 <EvanR> > (2.75 :: Double) == (realToFrac (realToFrac (2.75 :: Double) :: Float) :: Double)
2024-08-21 15:50:31 +0000 <lambdabot> True
2024-08-21 15:51:43 +0000 <EvanR> dyadic fractions in a certain range of Float play nice with each other and will convert both ways losslessly
2024-08-21 15:52:34 +0000 <EvanR> don't succumb to fear uncertainty and doubt about floats as if they randomly corrupt your values!
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2024-08-21 16:02:25 +0000 <kuribas> I mean 5.2 and 5.200 don't necessarily represent the same value, since they have different precision.
2024-08-21 16:02:40 +0000 <kuribas> So going from the second to the first is still a loss.
2024-08-21 16:03:22 +0000 <kuribas> 5.2 could mean 5.200, but also 5.230
2024-08-21 16:03:40 +0000 <kuribas> So the conversion is still lossy in every case.
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2024-08-21 16:06:52 +0000 <EvanR> that's coming from a perspective that float values represent intervals but that's application specific not built in
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2024-08-21 16:08:35 +0000 <EvanR> assuming you know the precision in both sides, you don't lose that either, since it's not represented in the value anyway
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2024-08-21 16:10:29 +0000 <EvanR> converting from Bool1 = False | True to Bool2 = True | False and back also changes the type, and whatever semantics you think there are on the types, but you wouldn't call that a loss
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2024-08-21 16:11:22 +0000 <kuribas> Calling 5.2 equal to 5.200 is also arbitrary.
2024-08-21 16:11:58 +0000 <EvanR> uh HUH....
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2024-08-21 16:13:11 +0000 <kuribas> Anyway, for the general case you don't now that your int will overflow, or that your floating point loses precision, which is why I would not consider it safe.
2024-08-21 16:13:30 +0000 <kuribas> safe for a subset is still unsafe IMO...
2024-08-21 16:14:01 +0000 <kuribas> Which is why I would argue for an explicit cast.
2024-08-21 16:14:01 +0000 <EvanR> yeah when you're writing a compiler you don't know anything about the values
2024-08-21 16:19:06 +0000 <kuribas> if you have dependent types or refinement types, you could add a constraint.
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2024-08-21 16:19:25 +0000 <kuribas> But in that case you could just as well use the narrower type...
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2024-08-21 16:22:22 +0000 <EvanR> nah we will stay with Int even when values are always like less than 100 xD
2024-08-21 16:22:32 +0000 <EvanR> and Bool is implemented as a 64bit word xD
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2024-08-21 16:23:02 +0000 <kuribas> common lisp "grows" the value when they overflow.
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2024-08-21 16:23:24 +0000 <EvanR> at runtime or
2024-08-21 16:23:52 +0000 <kuribas> yes
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2024-08-21 16:55:58 +0000 <fr33domlover> o/ I'm getting an error with GHC 9.6.6 when compiling a file that uses TH-generated dclarations: `panic! (the 'impossible' happened unfilled unbound-variable evidence` (I switched from LTS-18 to LTS-22 and from TH to typed TH)
2024-08-21 16:56:29 +0000JuanDaugherty(~juan@user/JuanDaugherty)
2024-08-21 16:56:41 +0000 <fr33domlover> Is there anything I can to fix that? I'm on latest LTS already... perhaps downgrade? "^_^
2024-08-21 16:57:04 +0000 <fr33domlover> The source file (before the switch-to-typed-TH): https://codeberg.org/ForgeFed/Vervis/src/branch/main/src/Vervis/Migration/Entities.hs
2024-08-21 17:01:23 +0000 <c_wraith> any GHC error that says "the 'impossible' happened" indicates a GHC bug. I don't know anything about that one. In particular, I don't know if it's a regression that going to an older version will fix. (I also don't know if it's been reported yet)
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2024-08-21 17:01:54 +0000 <c_wraith> Oh. You just said it's a regression. :)
2024-08-21 17:02:02 +0000 <fr33domlover> I found this, looks like a hint - my TH splices are probably using some out-of-scope term https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/issues/22655
2024-08-21 17:02:35 +0000 <c_wraith> So it's probably a GCH bug caused by invalid TH?
2024-08-21 17:02:38 +0000 <fr33domlover> c_wraith: Well I did change my code too so couldn't tell if it's a regression, its my first time trying typed TH :p
2024-08-21 17:03:06 +0000 <fr33domlover> Yeah, good news is I'll try to figure out by myself what's out of scope and if I'm lucky the error will disappear ^_^
2024-08-21 17:03:07 +0000 <c_wraith> It looks like this particular bug probably is a missing case that should be reporting an error
2024-08-21 17:03:33 +0000 <c_wraith> So the bug should be fixed, but probably the code is at fault and just not getting reported properly
2024-08-21 17:10:45 +0000 <fr33domlover> Yeah
2024-08-21 17:11:41 +0000 <fr33domlover> Well, there's already an open bug. And I think I might have fixed it on my side, GHC switched to error messages on modules that depend on the faulty one :)
2024-08-21 17:12:21 +0000 <fr33domlover> (Or is it stack/cabal, I suppose)
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2024-08-21 21:42:42 +0000 <EvanR> not really a haskell question but somewhere there is the statement "On Linux systems, executables which are statically linked to the C library cannot dynamically load shared libraries." How true is it
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2024-08-21 21:49:31 +0000 <geekosaur> false, I think. what is true is that if you statically link to glibc, you must ship the shared NSS and locale libraries for the glibc version you linked with your program
2024-08-21 21:49:47 +0000 <geekosaur> I think Solaris had that no-shared-libraries limitation
2024-08-21 21:50:57 +0000 <int-e> https://github.com/pfalcon/foreign-dlopen (which looks interesting) has some arguments for and against
2024-08-21 21:51:31 +0000merijn(~merijn@204-220-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl)
2024-08-21 21:51:32 +0000 <int-e> notably "shared library might use libc symbols for functions not included in your binary unless you make a fat binary that includes the whole libc"
2024-08-21 21:52:06 +0000 <int-e> (I realize that "fat" has another meaning, but I think it's an appropriate term here too)
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2024-08-21 21:53:44 +0000 <geekosaur> mm, right. the shared objects I indicated are exceptions because everything they need is already linked in if you're doing something that requires them
2024-08-21 21:54:54 +0000 <geekosaur> (Solaris and MacOS took solution #3: don't support static linking at all)
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2024-08-21 21:56:21 +0000 <geekosaur> (at least for libc)
2024-08-21 21:59:02 +0000 <EvanR> how can something on the internet be false, what balderdash
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2024-08-21 22:02:56 +0000 <int-e> It seems like a good rule of thumb? It's less of a "can't be done" and more of a "here be dragons".
2024-08-21 22:03:52 +0000 <int-e> What I'm trying to say is that if you're looking for falsehoods on the internet you can easily find more egregious examples :)
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2024-08-21 22:10:37 +0000 <monochrom> The Earth is flat. What's beyond the edges? Dragons. >:)
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2024-08-21 22:13:39 +0000 <int-e> also the Rimfall
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2024-08-21 22:14:11 +0000 <EvanR> destroys all your equipment and items when you go over it
2024-08-21 22:14:15 +0000 <EvanR> no corpserun
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