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2024-08-13 00:00:28 +0000JuanDaugherty(~juan@user/JuanDaugherty)
2024-08-13 00:06:52 +0000 <jackdk> I don't follow, are you able to elaborate?
2024-08-13 00:08:35 +0000 <dolio> s f g x = f x (g x). The g and x have switched order, and x is duplicated.
2024-08-13 00:08:42 +0000 <dolio> k x y = x, y is gone.
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2024-08-13 00:10:20 +0000 <dolio> In sequent calculus, exchange switches order of premises. Contraction duplicates premises. Weakening discards premises.
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2024-08-13 00:12:35 +0000 <dolio> I guess s is also cut, because g has become an argument to f.
2024-08-13 00:16:45 +0000nek0(~nek0@user/nek0) (Quit: The Lounge - https://thelounge.chat)
2024-08-13 00:20:21 +0000 <dolio> And you need two combinators because if you just added a discarded argument to s, you'd have to duplicate other stuff to throw anything away.
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2024-08-13 00:45:03 +0000 <haskellbridge> <thirdofmay18081814goya> what's pointfree for "f x = g x . h x "?
2024-08-13 00:47:35 +0000 <geekosaur> @pl f x = g x . h x
2024-08-13 00:47:35 +0000 <lambdabot> f = liftM2 (.) g h
2024-08-13 00:48:04 +0000 <geekosaur> (or `liftA2` if you prefer; @pl was never updated for Applicative)
2024-08-13 00:48:43 +0000 <haskellbridge> <thirdofmay18081814goya> neato! ty
2024-08-13 00:50:32 +0000 <geekosaur> you can't easily use it from the bridge, although there's a hack: craft a 2-line message, make the second line the bot invocation. may annoy people on this side though
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2024-08-13 09:10:26 +0000 <Athas> What is the reason why expressions like 'f \x -> x' and 'x let a = b in c' are invalid syntax?
2024-08-13 09:10:32 +0000 <Athas> Is it related to block layout?
2024-08-13 09:11:46 +0000 <danse-nr3> as opposed to `f x = x` and `x = let a = b in c`?
2024-08-13 09:12:02 +0000 <c_wraith> more as opposed to f $ \x -> x
2024-08-13 09:12:06 +0000 <c_wraith> which is valid
2024-08-13 09:12:13 +0000 <danse-nr3> i see
2024-08-13 09:12:15 +0000 <Athas> Yes, it's about application.
2024-08-13 09:12:34 +0000 <danse-nr3> f (\x -> x)
2024-08-13 09:13:09 +0000 <danse-nr3> hm maybe because `\` can be an operator?
2024-08-13 09:13:21 +0000 <danse-nr3> not sure
2024-08-13 09:13:22 +0000 <c_wraith> nah, \ is reserved by itself
2024-08-13 09:13:31 +0000 <danse-nr3> % :t (\)
2024-08-13 09:13:31 +0000 <yahb2> <interactive>:1:3: error: parse error on input ‘)’
2024-08-13 09:13:34 +0000 <c_wraith> I don't know that there's any particular reason for it, as GHC has an extension to allow it
2024-08-13 09:13:34 +0000 <danse-nr3> right
2024-08-13 09:14:19 +0000 <c_wraith> I guess there's some potential ambiguity regarding nesting
2024-08-13 09:14:24 +0000 <c_wraith> > do 1 + do 2
2024-08-13 09:14:26 +0000 <lambdabot> 3
2024-08-13 09:14:43 +0000 <c_wraith> > (+) do 1 do 2 -- how does this get parsed, anyway?
2024-08-13 09:14:45 +0000 <lambdabot> error:
2024-08-13 09:14:45 +0000 <lambdabot> Unexpected do block in function application:
2024-08-13 09:14:45 +0000 <lambdabot> do 1 do 2
2024-08-13 09:15:11 +0000 <Athas> Looking at the Haskell report, the reason is that there is a distinct 'fexp' nonterminal for applications. But what purpose does it serve?
2024-08-13 09:15:52 +0000 <c_wraith> well, it avoids that ambiguity
2024-08-13 09:15:53 +0000 <probie> > (+1) do (*2) do 3
2024-08-13 09:15:55 +0000 <lambdabot> error:
2024-08-13 09:15:55 +0000 <lambdabot> Unexpected do block in function application:
2024-08-13 09:15:55 +0000 <lambdabot> do (* 2) do 3
2024-08-13 09:16:14 +0000 <probie> %:set -XBlockArguments
2024-08-13 09:16:25 +0000 <probie> % :set -XBlockArguments
2024-08-13 09:16:25 +0000 <yahb2> <no output>
2024-08-13 09:16:34 +0000 <c_wraith> But honestly, just spitting out an error message if there's actual ambiguity instead of forbidding the grammar level is... just as good
2024-08-13 09:16:36 +0000 <probie> % (+1) do (*2) do 3
2024-08-13 09:16:36 +0000 <yahb2> 7
2024-08-13 09:17:18 +0000 <probie> % (+) do 1 do 2 -- I think this should be a type error (well, no instance for `Num`)
2024-08-13 09:17:18 +0000 <yahb2> <interactive>:107:1: error: ; • Could not deduce (Num t0) ; from the context: (Num a, Num t, Num (t -> a)) ; bound by the inferred type for ‘it’: ; forall {a} {...
2024-08-13 09:17:36 +0000ZharMeny(~user@user/ZharMeny)
2024-08-13 09:17:57 +0000 <probie> % 3 * do 5 + 2
2024-08-13 09:17:57 +0000 <yahb2> 21
2024-08-13 09:18:39 +0000 <c_wraith> well that's weird
2024-08-13 09:19:43 +0000 <probie> You can use it like `$` for replacing parens, only it's useful in more place
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2024-08-13 09:25:12 +0000 <danse-nr3> `do` rather than `$`? Fun, hadn't realised
2024-08-13 09:28:22 +0000ubert(~Thunderbi@2001:871:263:b6be:571d:68d5:9d34:3ba7)
2024-08-13 09:28:27 +0000 <danse-nr3> % ('a':) do ('b':) do ('c':) do "d"
2024-08-13 09:28:27 +0000 <yahb2> "abcd"
2024-08-13 09:28:33 +0000 <danse-nr3> :P
2024-08-13 09:29:01 +0000 <danse-nr3> well stupid example, i just wanted to try that out
2024-08-13 09:30:26 +0000 <danse-nr3> % :t fmap do \x -> x
2024-08-13 09:30:26 +0000 <yahb2> fmap do \x -> x :: Functor f => f b -> f b
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2024-08-13 09:32:10 +0000 <danse-nr3> i think i'll try that more, hoping it won't upset my colleagues :P
2024-08-13 09:35:48 +0000 <probie> one of my former coworkers was a big fan of `x .~ someLens & do some long thing here`
2024-08-13 09:36:10 +0000 <danse-nr3> & do == & $?
2024-08-13 09:37:12 +0000 <probie> except you can't write `& $`
2024-08-13 09:37:18 +0000 <danse-nr3> hmm
2024-08-13 09:37:34 +0000 <danse-nr3> i mean i even dislike &s and $s in the same line
2024-08-13 09:38:20 +0000 <danse-nr3> find that awkward to read
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2024-08-13 15:47:35 +0000 <Leary> Athas: Haskell design error. BlockArguments has the fix, so "set and forget".
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2024-08-13 15:54:16 +0000 <mauke> % do do do do do do do do do "baby shark"
2024-08-13 15:54:16 +0000 <yahb2> "baby shark"
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2024-08-13 16:12:38 +0000 <haskellbridge> <thirdofmay18081814goya> how would you compose "\x -> ((+3), x + 1)" and "\x -> (7, x * 2)" to get "\x -> ((+3) 7, (+1) (*2) x)"?
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2024-08-13 16:14:24 +0000 <EvanR> the second component is a number not a function so good luck with that
2024-08-13 16:16:01 +0000 <mauke> :t \f g x -> let (a, b) = g x; (c, d) = f b in (c a, d)
2024-08-13 16:16:02 +0000 <lambdabot> (t1 -> (t2 -> a, b)) -> (t3 -> (t2, t1)) -> t3 -> (a, b)
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2024-08-13 16:16:25 +0000 <mauke> @pl \f g x -> let (a, b) = g x; (c, d) = f b in (c a, d)
2024-08-13 16:16:25 +0000 <lambdabot> (line 1, column 15):
2024-08-13 16:16:25 +0000 <lambdabot> unexpected "("
2024-08-13 16:16:25 +0000 <lambdabot> expecting "()", natural, identifier or "in"
2024-08-13 16:17:44 +0000 <haskellbridge> <thirdofmay18081814goya> mauke: ah I see the strategy, thanks a lot!!
2024-08-13 16:17:59 +0000 <mauke> :t \f g x -> let y = g x; z = f (snd y) in (fst z (fst y), snd z)
2024-08-13 16:18:00 +0000 <lambdabot> (b1 -> (t1 -> a, b2)) -> (t2 -> (t1, b1)) -> t2 -> (a, b2)
2024-08-13 16:18:04 +0000 <mauke> @pl \f g x -> let y = g x; z = f (snd y) in (fst z (fst y), snd z)
2024-08-13 16:18:04 +0000 <lambdabot> (.) . ap ((`ap` snd) . ((,) .) . flip fst . fst) . (. snd)
2024-08-13 16:18:18 +0000 <mauke> @pl \x -> let y = g x; z = f (snd y) in (fst z (fst y), snd z)
2024-08-13 16:18:19 +0000 <lambdabot> ap ((`ap` snd) . ((,) .) . flip fst . fst) (f . snd) . fix . const . g
2024-08-13 16:18:30 +0000 <mauke> wow, that's terrible
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2024-08-13 16:19:03 +0000 <haskellbridge> <thirdofmay18081814goya> yeah but I didn't realize I was actually looking for pattern matching with "let", thanks
2024-08-13 16:19:20 +0000 <mauke> you can also use case/of
2024-08-13 16:20:13 +0000 <mauke> :t flip fst
2024-08-13 16:20:14 +0000 <lambdabot> b1 -> (b1 -> c, b2) -> c
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