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2024-08-10 00:55:06 +0000 <zzz> too much abstraction
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2024-08-10 03:04:12 +0000 <Inst> with a vector, what's the best way to generate a new vector of consecutive pairs?
2024-08-10 03:04:24 +0000 <Inst> with list, it's easy, just zip, but vec is strict
2024-08-10 03:06:54 +0000 <Inst> eh, it's still zip
2024-08-10 03:06:57 +0000 <Inst> just slice
2024-08-10 03:08:40 +0000 <mauke> zip v (drop 1 v)
2024-08-10 03:08:54 +0000 <probie> I wonder how that performs against `\v -> V.generate (V.length v - 1) (\ix -> (v V.! ix, v V.! ix+1))`
2024-08-10 03:09:32 +0000 <haskellbridge> <bdub> Good evening Haskellers
2024-08-10 03:09:59 +0000 <probie> Good [early] afternoon
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2024-08-10 03:10:49 +0000 <mauke> it's 05:10 in the morning, why are you online?
2024-08-10 03:11:12 +0000 <haskellbridge> <bdub> Sleep is for the weak
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2024-08-10 03:31:33 +0000 <Inst> https://hackage.haskell.org/package/vector-0.13.1.0/docs/src/Data.Vector.Generic.html#drop
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2024-08-10 03:32:01 +0000 <Inst> unsafeSlice means it's still referring to the same memory object, right?
2024-08-10 03:32:25 +0000 <Inst> keeps on making me think of linear types and how effectively it's just an eDSL for vector
2024-08-10 03:32:26 +0000 <Inst> teehee
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2024-08-10 03:40:45 +0000 <Inst> how do people feel about using iterate to get rid of loops?
2024-08-10 03:40:49 +0000 <Inst> more readable / less readable?
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2024-08-10 03:44:44 +0000 <probie> Do you mean the `iterate f x !! n` idiom for getting the result of applying `f` to `x` `n` times? If so, I'm a fan
2024-08-10 03:53:13 +0000 <geekosaur> I just don't find that very useful
2024-08-10 03:54:10 +0000 <geekosaur> I think I've only needed it once, but I used the iterate idiom when I did
2024-08-10 03:55:34 +0000 <probie> Also, for constant values of `n` less than four, I'd probably just write `f . f . f $ x`
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2024-08-10 04:26:12 +0000 <Inst> probie: the original was an accumulating parameter loop
2024-08-10 04:26:27 +0000 <Inst> i converted it into vertical >>> point free
2024-08-10 04:26:30 +0000 <Inst> via iterate
2024-08-10 04:27:22 +0000 <Inst> https://paste.tomsmeding.com/7pYmVdZo
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2024-08-10 04:45:31 +0000 <Inst> ugh, the type accounting on the parsing is a mess
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2024-08-10 05:03:13 +0000 <Inst> (b -> c )-> (a -> m b) -> m c
2024-08-10 05:04:05 +0000 <Inst> ugh, it's only niche and comes from agda
2024-08-10 05:04:09 +0000 <Inst> https://hoogle.haskell.org/?hoogle=(b%20-%3E%20c%20)-%3E%20(a%20-%3E%20m%20b)%20-%3E%20a%20-%3E%20m%20c
2024-08-10 05:04:18 +0000 <Inst> (b -> c) -> (a -> m b) -> (a -> m c)
2024-08-10 05:05:59 +0000xff0x(~xff0x@2405:6580:b080:900:3f64:3c8e:6766:6ea1)
2024-08-10 05:06:57 +0000 <mauke> :t (<&>)
2024-08-10 05:06:58 +0000 <lambdabot> Functor f => f a -> (a -> b) -> f b
2024-08-10 05:08:19 +0000 <mauke> :t (<=<) . (pure .)
2024-08-10 05:08:20 +0000 <lambdabot> Monad m => (b -> c) -> (a -> m b) -> a -> m c
2024-08-10 05:10:09 +0000 <probie> :t ((.) . fmap)
2024-08-10 05:10:10 +0000 <lambdabot> Functor f => (a1 -> b) -> (a2 -> f a1) -> a2 -> f b
2024-08-10 05:10:24 +0000 <Inst> oof
2024-08-10 05:10:29 +0000 <Inst> tbh maybe i should just give up point free
2024-08-10 05:10:54 +0000 <Inst> also the point of iterate was to present a list of partial results, takeWhile some condition is met, then sum
2024-08-10 05:11:08 +0000 <Inst> or otherwise foldl' on the sample
2024-08-10 05:12:10 +0000 <probie> To paraphrase one of the array programming people (on the topic of tacit functions) "I like mustard on my sandwich, but I don't like it on everything"
2024-08-10 05:12:12 +0000 <probie> Not everything needs to be point free
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2024-08-10 05:17:19 +0000 <Inst> i'm just getting into the habit of preferring point free over accumulator loops, which is sort of my go-to right now :(
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2024-08-10 05:18:29 +0000 <mauke> go-to considered harmful
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2024-08-10 05:21:22 +0000 <Inst> breaking out of nested loops is a valid usage!
2024-08-10 05:21:59 +0000 <mauke> in bad languages
2024-08-10 05:24:36 +0000 <probie> If that's the only use, why not just give me a "break" which can target labels (like Ada's `exit`)?
2024-08-10 05:25:15 +0000 <Inst> okay, screw trying to make this work with kliesli arrows
2024-08-10 05:37:42 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> that's what I always say
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2024-08-10 12:53:02 +0000 <zzz> are all ghc versions supported on 32bit?
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2024-08-10 14:17:22 +0000 <Inst> is it valid to call imperative programming state-intensive programming?
2024-08-10 14:18:20 +0000 <Inst> FP isn't truly state free, but redoing a program in C after having done it in Haskell, wow, doing pure computations without FP and laziness is horrific
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2024-08-10 14:31:06 +0000 <sprout> everyone uses state
2024-08-10 14:34:32 +0000 <zzz> Inst: some argue that strictness would be better
2024-08-10 14:34:40 +0000 <zzz> (not me though)
2024-08-10 14:35:05 +0000 <Inst> o(1) map :3
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2024-08-10 14:40:14 +0000 <zzz> wdym?
2024-08-10 14:45:36 +0000 <Inst> fmap on lists is O(1) in haskell :)
2024-08-10 14:46:18 +0000 <Inst> although tbh it's O(n) in practice since lists aren't data structures and you probably plan on using every element of the list
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2024-08-10 14:53:51 +0000 <Inst> I'm actually surprised no one ever tried to sell laziness as O(1) loops
2024-08-10 15:05:37 +0000 <sprout> laziness comes with perks and disadvantages. like everything
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2024-08-10 15:13:22 +0000 <Inst> i know
2024-08-10 15:13:36 +0000 <Inst> i love Vector, bang annotations, streaming libraries, and so on.
2024-08-10 15:13:49 +0000 <Inst> *strictness annotations
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2024-08-10 15:36:18 +0000 <monochrom> zzz: No, newer GHCs are dropping 32-bit.
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2024-08-10 15:37:30 +0000 <monochrom> Err nevermind, GHC 9.10.1 still has a 32-bit x86 build.
2024-08-10 15:38:40 +0000 <monochrom> Ah but that is Linux only. No 32-bit Windows, FreeBSD.
2024-08-10 15:41:38 +0000 <monochrom> Sellling laziness as O(1) loops is trolling. I am not surprised that Haskellers don't troll.
2024-08-10 15:42:18 +0000 <sprout> wut?
2024-08-10 15:42:26 +0000 <sprout> I am in the wrong channel then
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2024-08-10 15:50:40 +0000 <Inst> monochrom: so it's worse than not-in-place quicksort and trial division sieve
2024-08-10 15:51:18 +0000 <Inst> i knew someone who thought of Haskell as stream-oriented computing, though, and maybe that's more honest
2024-08-10 15:52:56 +0000 <monochrom> With quicksort, it is not clear whether one should emphasize the in-place part or its divide-conquer strategy. (I emphasize the latter.)
2024-08-10 15:54:05 +0000 <monochrom> There is an elephant in a dark room. Some say if it is not flappy it is not an elephant. Some say if it is not a hose it is not an elephant. Etc etc.
2024-08-10 15:54:39 +0000 <monochrom> http://lucacardelli.name/Topics/TheoryOfObjects/ObjectSubject.html
2024-08-10 15:55:14 +0000 <monochrom> Like, bubble sort is in-place, too.
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