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2024-06-19 00:10:09 +0200Roc(~Roc@ip-213-49-101-14.dsl.scarlet.be)
2024-06-19 00:10:43 +0200 <Roc> I'm reading the learnyouahaskel book. I'm on linux and i have installed haskell tools using ghcup. I can follow everything in the book but now it seems that don' t have System.Random installed. Can i install this using ghcup or do i have to use cabal as shown in most search results?
2024-06-19 00:11:31 +0200 <monochrom> Yes you will need cabal. System.Random doesn't come with GHC any more.
2024-06-19 00:12:07 +0200 <monochrom> The easiest way is https://cabal.readthedocs.io/en/stable/getting-started.html#running-a-single-file-haskell-script
2024-06-19 00:12:45 +0200 <Roc> I'll follow that guide. Thanks!
2024-06-19 00:12:56 +0200 <monochrom> You can also have "cabal repl" on that file. So basically s/ghci foo.hs/cabal repl foo.hs/ , s/runghc foo.hs/cabal run foo.hs/
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2024-06-19 00:42:24 +0200 <EvanR> haskell doesn't come with an RNG anymore? nice
2024-06-19 00:44:29 +0200 <glguy> Anymore?
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2024-06-19 00:48:12 +0200 <EvanR> how long have I been asleep
2024-06-19 00:49:00 +0200noumenon(~noumenon@113.51-175-156.customer.lyse.net)
2024-06-19 00:49:34 +0200 <monochrom> Don't worry, these things change all the time. :)
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2024-06-19 01:41:31 +0200 <cheater> i can't believe i spent a whole ass day working on getting taglist working and tagbar just works out of the box
2024-06-19 01:41:38 +0200 <cheater> and it's great for haskell
2024-06-19 01:41:42 +0200 <cheater> uses hasktags
2024-06-19 01:41:51 +0200 <cheater> has actual support (not me hacking it in)
2024-06-19 01:41:58 +0200 <cheater> etc
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2024-06-19 16:43:39 +0200 <hadronized> anyone had a look at Idris2? I saw somewhere that it can run without a GC?!
2024-06-19 16:50:06 +0200 <EvanR> they replaced the basic C runtime with semispace collector with chicken scheme, I think
2024-06-19 16:50:27 +0200 <EvanR> I wouldn't bet on idris2 being the pathway to extreme performance
2024-06-19 16:51:11 +0200 <EvanR> it's really about the dependent types
2024-06-19 16:51:17 +0200__monty__(~toonn@user/toonn) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2024-06-19 16:52:37 +0200 <hadronized> I’m not sure why people are so hyped about DT
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2024-06-19 17:00:32 +0200 <mauke> good DPS, cloaked by default, always good for a comeback
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2024-06-19 20:21:05 +0200 <iqubic> I like Idris2.
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2024-06-19 21:29:23 +0200 <EvanR> hadronized, dependent types let you express logical propositions
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2024-06-19 21:33:31 +0200 <EvanR> when you have a value of some type in haskell, you tend to know a lot of stuff. With dependent types you can know even more stuff. There are practical issues but you only were wondering about the positives xD
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2024-06-19 21:48:03 +0200 <monochrom> Some people want dependent types for what can also be done by Liquid Haskell and refinement types, e.g., the domain is integers between 100 and 200.
2024-06-19 21:50:25 +0200 <monochrom> Some other people want dependent types for how Idris uses it: fine-grained effect/capability types, e.g., more fine-grained than our IO, so your type says a subset of {console, files, IORef, ...}.
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2024-06-19 21:52:22 +0200 <monochrom> Some other people want dependent types for just row polymorphism i.e. a record system that doesn't suck. :)
2024-06-19 21:53:47 +0200 <EvanR> that's a roundabout way to get that, and not clear it wouldn't suck!
2024-06-19 21:55:19 +0200 <monochrom> In every use case, dependent typing is an overkill. But history and politics taught us that, when multiple groups who will have conflicting stakes eventually but right now they have a more pressing common foe, they will be very hyped up about joining forces.
2024-06-19 21:58:07 +0200 <c_wraith> I just want pi types so I can abstract over values at the type level
2024-06-19 21:58:33 +0200 <monochrom> Yeah the general idea is that if you have a Gödel-complete proof language, then you can define any powerful programming language you want. OK that's a hyperbole but think about it. :)
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2024-06-19 22:01:44 +0200 <monochrom> In my own notes when I study math, there are actually a few instances when I use Pi types because it clarifies and directly express what the math text means to say but too afraid to bring up infinite cartesian products...
2024-06-19 22:03:41 +0200 <monochrom> basically scenerio like choice functions where the math text says "f : X -> big union of Y_1, Y_2 ... , with the contraint that f(x) must be in Y_x". OK that's a type Pi.
2024-06-19 22:03:46 +0200 <monochrom> err Pi type
2024-06-19 22:04:14 +0200 <monochrom> Speaking of which, please remind me on June 28 to celebrate tau day!
2024-06-19 22:07:38 +0200 <c_wraith> so are Tau types twice as good as Pi types?
2024-06-19 22:08:16 +0200 <monochrom> :)
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2024-06-19 22:09:11 +0200 <monochrom> Some kind of Fubini's theorem ought to say that Tau_x,y = Pi_x Pi_y :)
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2024-06-19 22:32:23 +0200 <EvanR> it's funny because type theory seems to say more specifically what you want, but at the same time, means nothing because it's basically a theory of syntax only
2024-06-19 22:35:34 +0200 <danse-nr3> "a theory of syntax"?
2024-06-19 22:39:45 +0200 <lxsameer> hey folks, have you ever used tasty-autocollect or tasty-discover in a nix based build environment
2024-06-19 22:40:02 +0200 <monochrom> I thought through this question a long time ago, I concluded that one person's semantics is another person's syntax. But I understand that it is not obvious to everyone.
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2024-06-19 22:41:02 +0200 <monochrom> Part of it being that it is customary to not talk about the syntax of one's meta-logic. But it is still there.
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