2024-05-28 00:00:33 +0200 | itaipu | (~itaipu@168.121.98.97) |
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2024-05-28 00:08:18 +0200 | <sm> | I don't see a problem, just a possible some day lessening of the need for this with base. Other provided-with-ghc packages also cause problems, I don't know if this future-ghc would solve all those too. But in any case people will be using cabal with current and past ghcs for a long time |
2024-05-28 00:09:41 +0200 | <sm> | so I think a few such special case error messages wouldn't be a waste |
2024-05-28 00:09:54 +0200 | <sm> | if anyone was thinking about giving it a go |
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2024-05-28 11:33:42 +0200 | <dminuoso> | Assume a tree representing say memory chunks. Leaf nodes may be Free or InUse, while intermediate nodes are Split. Is there some formal term for merging free blocks back together, as a kind defragmentation? |
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2024-05-28 12:39:36 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | dminuoso: https://web.stanford.edu/class/archive/cs/cs107/cs107.1246/lectures/24/Lecture24.pdf "The process of combining adjacent free blocks is called coalescing." |
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2024-05-28 12:40:16 +0200 | <dminuoso> | tomsmeding: Ahh, yeah, that seems to be the established term. |
2024-05-28 12:40:19 +0200 | <dminuoso> | Thanks. |
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2024-05-28 15:10:11 +0200 | basicnpc | (~asleep@user/basicnpc) |
2024-05-28 15:10:27 +0200 | <basicnpc> | Is there a haskell language extension that uses CoC type system? |
2024-05-28 15:11:34 +0200 | <basicnpc> | (CoC in terms of the most expressible entry in the lambda cube https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambda_cube) |
2024-05-28 15:11:44 +0200 | fizbin_ | (~fizbin@user/fizbin) |
2024-05-28 15:12:59 +0200 | <ncf> | dependent haskell isn't here yet |
2024-05-28 15:13:17 +0200 | <ncf> | but agda exists and can extract to haskell :) |
2024-05-28 15:14:05 +0200 | <kuribas> | basicnpc: what do you need exactly? |
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2024-05-28 15:14:56 +0200 | <kuribas> | I'd say dependent types are the most expressive types, but ergonomics can vary between languages. |
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2024-05-28 15:19:34 +0200 | <basicnpc> | ncf "Extract to haskell"? |
2024-05-28 15:19:53 +0200 | <basicnpc> | kuribas Actually, I'm trying to add a good type system for a language I like. |
2024-05-28 15:19:54 +0200 | <ncf> | https://github.com/agda/agda2hs or the GHC backend |
2024-05-28 15:20:09 +0200 | <basicnpc> | And I wonder if I should aim for CoC, or even more. |
2024-05-28 15:20:21 +0200 | <basicnpc> | "even more": for example.. pure type systems. |
2024-05-28 15:21:11 +0200 | <basicnpc> | kuribas Dependent Type is one of the dimensions in the lambda cube. I wonder if the other dimensions are needed. |
2024-05-28 15:21:31 +0200 | <kuribas> | basicnpc: adding a type system to an existing dynamic language not made with typing in mind is hard. |
2024-05-28 15:21:40 +0200 | <danse-nr3> | seems misleading to model such topics like a single dimension where one can "aim at the top" |
2024-05-28 15:21:57 +0200 | <basicnpc> | ncf Cool.. does agda2hs make agda a programming language for general purpose? |
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2024-05-28 15:22:07 +0200 | <kuribas> | It is easier to create a new typed language using the existing language as inspiration. |
2024-05-28 15:22:16 +0200 | <basicnpc> | kuribas That's the challenge :) It's a lisp so it's easier. |
2024-05-28 15:22:32 +0200 | <kuribas> | basicnpc: which one? :-) |
2024-05-28 15:22:35 +0200 | <kuribas> | clojure? |
2024-05-28 15:22:37 +0200 | <basicnpc> | Common lisp. |
2024-05-28 15:22:50 +0200 | ystael | (~ystael@user/ystael) |
2024-05-28 15:22:58 +0200 | <kuribas> | basicnpc: https://coalton-lang.github.io/ |
2024-05-28 15:23:03 +0200 | <basicnpc> | It will be a new language, but the interop with common lisp must be smooth. |
2024-05-28 15:23:08 +0200 | <basicnpc> | coalton only has basic types |
2024-05-28 15:23:15 +0200 | <basicnpc> | no dependent types.. no monad |
2024-05-28 15:23:22 +0200 | <kuribas> | it has monads AFAIK |
2024-05-28 15:23:31 +0200 | <basicnpc> | ?! |
2024-05-28 15:23:31 +0200 | <lambdabot> | Maybe you meant: v @ ? . |
2024-05-28 15:23:43 +0200 | <basicnpc> | (I don't know what v @ ? . mean.) |
2024-05-28 15:24:13 +0200 | <kuribas> | basicnpc: https://github.com/coalton-lang/coalton/blob/main/docs/intro-to-coalton.md#builtin-typeclasses |
2024-05-28 15:24:24 +0200 | <kuribas> | basicnpc: disclaimer: I never used coalton |
2024-05-28 15:25:11 +0200 | waleee | (~waleee@h-176-10-144-38.NA.cust.bahnhof.se) |
2024-05-28 15:25:18 +0200 | <basicnpc> | Hmm monads are mentioned. Good.. the doc is kept terse on them though. I should try using it. |
2024-05-28 15:25:26 +0200 | <basicnpc> | But no, it doesn't have dependent types. |
2024-05-28 15:25:50 +0200 | <basicnpc> | But that's fine. Before I even implement a stronger type system for common lisp, I want to know what are the practical possibilities. |
2024-05-28 15:26:02 +0200 | <kuribas> | basicnpc: if you want dependent types, I would spend some time with idris. |
2024-05-28 15:26:15 +0200 | <basicnpc> | So the questions - Is CoC good enough? Are the stronger type systems that improve expressibility (with examples)? |
2024-05-28 15:26:20 +0200 | BigKozlowski | (~BigKozlow@194.5.60.133) |
2024-05-28 15:26:35 +0200 | <danse-nr3> | "good enough", repeating myself... |
2024-05-28 15:26:37 +0200 | <danse-nr3> | seems misleading to model such topics like a single dimension where one can "aim at the top" |
2024-05-28 15:27:02 +0200 | <basicnpc> | danse-nr3 what do you mean? |
2024-05-28 15:27:42 +0200 | <danse-nr3> | these are complex tools developed organically over time to suit different purposes |
2024-05-28 15:28:50 +0200 | <basicnpc> | And then now you have haskell that suffers from not having dependent types.. |
2024-05-28 15:29:01 +0200 | <kuribas> | basicnpc: you could write an idris backend for common lisp. |
2024-05-28 15:29:09 +0200 | <kuribas> | basicnpc: any interop will be done with the FFI. |
2024-05-28 15:29:09 +0200 | danse-nr3 | gives up |
2024-05-28 15:29:11 +0200 | <kuribas> | idris2 though. |
2024-05-28 15:29:23 +0200 | <kuribas> | basicnpc: it would be the least effort IMO. |
2024-05-28 15:29:39 +0200 | <basicnpc> | Does idris2 have full CoC? |
2024-05-28 15:29:58 +0200 | <kuribas> | I don't know what full CoC means... |
2024-05-28 15:30:14 +0200 | <kuribas> | idris2 is based on QTT |
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2024-05-28 15:31:58 +0200 | <basicnpc> | kuribas Full CoC is where all 3 dimensions in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambda_cube are fulfilled. |
2024-05-28 15:32:11 +0200 | <kuribas> | I'd say "yes", from the wikipedia definition. |
2024-05-28 15:32:15 +0200 | <basicnpc> | types on terms, terms on types, types on types |
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2024-05-28 15:34:44 +0200 | <ncf> | consider also learning about Martin-Löf type theory (on which Agda is based). IME nobody ever thinks about the "lambda cube" or pure type systems these days except people learning about dependent types from wikipedia |
2024-05-28 15:34:44 +0200 | <kuribas> | basicnpc: idris2 was made to be backend agnostic, to make it easy to port. |
2024-05-28 15:35:26 +0200 | <kuribas> | it's not lispy though. |
2024-05-28 15:35:41 +0200 | <kuribas> | Perhaps you could make a lispy parser that generates idris2 AST. |
2024-05-28 15:35:50 +0200 | <basicnpc> | A backend is scheme :-) Yeah, on this road I must get into idris2 at some point no matter what. |
2024-05-28 15:36:38 +0200 | <basicnpc> | Is there any advantage for haskell to not have dependent types, except that it's hard to maintain backward compatibility? |
2024-05-28 15:36:41 +0200 | <kuribas> | basicnpc: if you succeed, let me know, I'd be interested :) |
2024-05-28 15:36:57 +0200 | <basicnpc> | (e.g. maybe having dependent types is going to slow down the compiler or the compiled code? just guesses) |
2024-05-28 15:38:18 +0200 | <kuribas> | maybe... maybe not... |
2024-05-28 15:38:45 +0200 | <kuribas> | at some point haskell will become the C++ of static functional languages. |
2024-05-28 15:39:02 +0200 | <kuribas> | Maybe it already is... |
2024-05-28 15:41:18 +0200 | <kuribas> | basicnpc: I am not against dependent types in haskell, but it adds a lot of complexity to the compiler, and becomes just another feature. |
2024-05-28 15:41:38 +0200 | <kuribas> | I think exploring proper DT language is a better way, like idris2. |
2024-05-28 15:41:54 +0200 | barak | (~barak@2a0d:6fc2:68c1:7200:3cf2:a87d:a02b:3e21) |
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2024-05-28 15:43:06 +0200 | <basicnpc> | There's a reddit post that says having dependent type systems like CoC makes side-effects difficult to have. |
2024-05-28 15:43:26 +0200 | causal | (~eric@50.35.88.207) (Quit: WeeChat 4.1.1) |
2024-05-28 15:43:28 +0200 | <kuribas> | nope |
2024-05-28 15:43:30 +0200 | <ncf> | wrong |
2024-05-28 15:43:34 +0200 | <basicnpc> | Not sure how accurate it is.. don't we just wrap them in monads? https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammingLanguages/comments/1aywa3m/why_is_calculus_of_constructions_no… |
2024-05-28 15:43:57 +0200 | <basicnpc> | ( I was referring to ianzen's answer. ) |
2024-05-28 15:44:26 +0200 | <ncf> | having *non-termination* is the one that requires more effort than in haskell (some mechanism for coinduction, basically) |
2024-05-28 15:44:57 +0200 | <ncf> | see e.g. https://strathprints.strath.ac.uk/60166/1/McBride_LNCS2015_Turing_completeness_totally_free.pdf or https://agda.github.io/agda-stdlib/master/README.IO.html |
2024-05-28 15:45:40 +0200 | <kuribas> | basicnpc: lot's of myths around dependent types that get repeated. |
2024-05-28 15:45:51 +0200 | <kuribas> | basicnpc: you just don't want sideeffects in types. |
2024-05-28 15:46:14 +0200 | <basicnpc> | Yeah. There are lots of myths. How do I get to thinking of these independently? |
2024-05-28 15:46:22 +0200 | <basicnpc> | Good academic surveys ever written? |
2024-05-28 15:46:35 +0200 | <kuribas> | basicnpc: by learning and using idris2 :) |
2024-05-28 15:46:47 +0200 | <basicnpc> | ncf non-termination? Wikipedia says CoC is strongly normalizable.. |
2024-05-28 15:46:47 +0200 | <kuribas> | or agda/coq/... |
2024-05-28 15:47:16 +0200 | <basicnpc> | kuribas Sounds like a nice way to start (I will choose idris2). |
2024-05-28 15:47:25 +0200 | <ncf> | basicnpc: it is, but that doesn't prevent you from writing corecursive programs that represent endless computations |
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2024-05-28 15:48:04 +0200 | <kuribas> | basicnpc: btw, most of the discussion occur on idris2 discord |
2024-05-28 15:48:08 +0200 | <basicnpc> | What is "co"recursive? |
2024-05-28 15:48:31 +0200 | <basicnpc> | kuribas Oh! Yeah, #idris doesn't have many people. Thanks for the hint! |
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2024-05-28 21:28:30 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | this is a useful web page: https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/wikis/GHC-status (spotted it in a mailing list post) |
2024-05-28 21:28:54 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | (the 9.10 row is outdated because 9.10.1 is out, but close enough) |
2024-05-28 21:29:07 +0200 | <geekosaur> | it's also in the #ghc channel/room topic |
2024-05-28 21:29:18 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | ah, it is :) |
2024-05-28 21:29:26 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | but many people aren't in there |
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2024-05-28 21:32:59 +0200 | <sm> | nice one, let's remember it |
2024-05-28 21:33:14 +0200 | <sm> | @where+ ghc-status https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/wikis/GHC-status |
2024-05-28 21:33:15 +0200 | <lambdabot> | I will never forget. |
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2024-05-28 21:51:01 +0200 | <sm> | https://haskell-links.org/ghc-status |
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2024-05-28 22:00:12 +0200 | <sm> | @where+ haskell-for-the-elm-enthusiast https://blog.noredink.com/post/658510851000713216/haskell-for-the-elm-enthusiast |
2024-05-28 22:00:12 +0200 | <lambdabot> | It is forever etched in my memory. |
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