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2024-05-03 09:57:30 +0000 <gastus_> HLS: Is type of thing below cursor and goto definition eg of cabal installed packages implemented or did I missconfigure Neovim / vscode ?
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2024-05-03 10:10:05 +0000 <haskellbridge> <f​endor> not implemented, but a PR exists https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/pull/3749
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2024-05-03 10:14:20 +0000 <haskellbridge> <f​endor> but type of thing below cursor works fine, so perhaps misconfigured
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2024-05-03 10:25:28 +0000 <danse-nr3> /j #emacs
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2024-05-03 11:07:00 +0000 <jackdk> great idea
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2024-05-03 13:08:21 +0000 <onion> why can we write `x :: Bool = True` but not `f :: a -> a = id` ?
2024-05-03 13:09:00 +0000 <danse-nr3> > f :: a -> a = id
2024-05-03 13:09:02 +0000 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:13: error: parse error on input ‘=’
2024-05-03 13:09:27 +0000 <danse-nr3> > x :: Bool = True
2024-05-03 13:09:28 +0000 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:11: error: parse error on input ‘=’
2024-05-03 13:09:41 +0000 <danse-nr3> in a let i guess
2024-05-03 13:09:58 +0000 <danse-nr3> > let x :: Bool = True in x
2024-05-03 13:09:59 +0000 <lambdabot> True
2024-05-03 13:10:10 +0000stiell(~stiell@gateway/tor-sasl/stiell) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2024-05-03 13:10:18 +0000 <danse-nr3> > let f :: a -> a = id in f True
2024-05-03 13:10:19 +0000 <lambdabot> error:
2024-05-03 13:10:19 +0000 <lambdabot> • You cannot bind scoped type variable ‘a’
2024-05-03 13:10:19 +0000 <lambdabot> in a pattern binding signature
2024-05-03 13:11:17 +0000 <onion> ah
2024-05-03 13:11:27 +0000 <onion> > g :: Bool -> () = const ()
2024-05-03 13:11:29 +0000stiell(~stiell@gateway/tor-sasl/stiell)
2024-05-03 13:11:29 +0000 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:17: error: parse error on input ‘=’
2024-05-03 13:11:50 +0000 <onion> wait, i can do this in ghci
2024-05-03 13:13:29 +0000bitdex(~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex) (Quit: = "")
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2024-05-03 13:15:51 +0000 <onion> :t id
2024-05-03 13:15:52 +0000 <lambdabot> a -> a
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2024-05-03 13:16:11 +0000 <onion> f :: forall a. a -> a = id
2024-05-03 13:16:17 +0000 <onion> > f :: forall a. a -> a = id
2024-05-03 13:16:18 +0000 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:23: error: parse error on input ‘=’
2024-05-03 13:16:22 +0000 <onion> hm...
2024-05-03 13:17:00 +0000 <onion> > let g :: Bool -> () = const () in g True
2024-05-03 13:17:01 +0000 <lambdabot> ()
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2024-05-03 13:20:27 +0000 <onion> > let q :: forall a. a -> a = id in q 7
2024-05-03 13:20:29 +0000 <lambdabot> error:
2024-05-03 13:20:29 +0000 <lambdabot> • Couldn't match expected type ‘forall a1. a1 -> a1’
2024-05-03 13:20:29 +0000 <lambdabot> with actual type ‘a0 -> a0’
2024-05-03 13:21:11 +0000 <danse-nr3> i don't think the forall helps, but i am not sure why just `a` would not work
2024-05-03 13:21:32 +0000stiell(~stiell@gateway/tor-sasl/stiell)
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2024-05-03 13:23:46 +0000 <ncf> https://ghc.gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/doc/users_guide/exts/scoped_type_variables.html#pattern-type-sigs
2024-05-03 13:23:55 +0000poscat(~poscat@user/poscat)
2024-05-03 13:23:57 +0000 <ncf> this explains why a -> a doesn't work, but not why forall a. a -> a doesn't
2024-05-03 13:24:10 +0000 <onion> thanks ncf
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2024-05-03 13:27:50 +0000 <onion> i just found out i can write this:
2024-05-03 13:29:01 +0000 <onion> > let f (a :: Int) (b :: Bool) (c :: a) = (a,b,c) :: (Int,Bool,a) in f 7 False "ok"
2024-05-03 13:29:03 +0000 <lambdabot> (7,False,"ok")
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2024-05-03 13:35:43 +0000 <onion> > let id' (f :: a -> a) (x :: a) = f a :: a in id' id 7
2024-05-03 13:35:45 +0000 <lambdabot> a
2024-05-03 13:36:15 +0000 <onion> oops
2024-05-03 13:36:26 +0000 <onion> > let id' (f :: a -> a) (x :: a) = f x :: a in id' id 7
2024-05-03 13:36:27 +0000 <lambdabot> 7
2024-05-03 13:36:36 +0000stiell_(~stiell@gateway/tor-sasl/stiell)
2024-05-03 13:36:45 +0000 <onion> > let id' (f :: a -> a) (x :: Int) = f x :: a in id' succ 7
2024-05-03 13:36:46 +0000 <lambdabot> 8
2024-05-03 13:36:52 +0000 <onion> hmm..
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2024-05-03 13:42:19 +0000 <onion> > let id' (f :: forall a. a -> a) (x :: Int) = f x :: a in id' succ 7
2024-05-03 13:42:20 +0000 <lambdabot> error:
2024-05-03 13:42:20 +0000 <lambdabot> • Couldn't match expected type ‘a2’ with actual type ‘Int’
2024-05-03 13:42:21 +0000 <lambdabot> ‘a2’ is a rigid type variable bound by
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2024-05-03 13:51:48 +0000 <EvanR> you can use lambdabot in a private message
2024-05-03 13:53:32 +0000 <onion> yes sorry for the noise
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2024-05-03 14:15:19 +0000 <kuribas> You say succ would work with any type, but it doesn't.
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2024-05-03 14:16:19 +0000machinedgod(~machinedg@d173-183-246-216.abhsia.telus.net)
2024-05-03 14:16:21 +0000 <kuribas> First argument of "id'" should be a function that works on any type.
2024-05-03 14:16:25 +0000stiell_(~stiell@gateway/tor-sasl/stiell)
2024-05-03 14:16:38 +0000gaff(~gaff@49.207.227.255)
2024-05-03 14:16:54 +0000 <kuribas> That's what (f :: forall a. a -> a) means
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2024-05-03 14:17:20 +0000 <kuribas> "forall a. " means "for any type a"
2024-05-03 14:17:43 +0000onion(~yin@user/zero) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2024-05-03 14:19:14 +0000 <gaff> Is there any difference between writing code in the applicative vs monadic style? For example, `some p = do { x <- p; xs <- many p; return (x:xs) }` VS `some p = (:) <$> p <*> many p`?
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2024-05-03 14:21:50 +0000 <EvanR> not if you enable ApplicativeDo
2024-05-03 14:22:15 +0000 <EvanR> otherwise, one expands to Monad the other Applicative class
2024-05-03 14:22:58 +0000 <gaff> EvanR: I am not sure what you mena there, Both expressions have the same type.
2024-05-03 14:23:08 +0000tv(~tv@user/tv)
2024-05-03 14:23:25 +0000 <EvanR> :t return
2024-05-03 14:23:25 +0000 <lambdabot> Monad m => a -> m a
2024-05-03 14:23:42 +0000 <kuribas> gaff: Some type doesn't mean the same expression.
2024-05-03 14:23:50 +0000 <kuribas> :t 3
2024-05-03 14:23:51 +0000 <lambdabot> Num p => p
2024-05-03 14:23:52 +0000 <kuribas> :t 4
2024-05-03 14:23:53 +0000 <lambdabot> Num p => p
2024-05-03 14:23:53 +0000 <EvanR> they don't have the same type by default
2024-05-03 14:24:23 +0000 <gaff> well, `some` in that example has the same type in both styles.
2024-05-03 14:24:25 +0000 <EvanR> oh you're right. But yeah
2024-05-03 14:24:30 +0000 <kuribas> gaff: For a lawful instance the should be the same, but it isn't garanteed.
2024-05-03 14:24:31 +0000 <EvanR> different implementations
2024-05-03 14:24:50 +0000stiell_(~stiell@gateway/tor-sasl/stiell) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2024-05-03 14:25:12 +0000 <kuribas> gaff: the do desugars to: p >>= \x -> many p >>= \xs -> return (x:xs)
2024-05-03 14:26:10 +0000 <gaff> wha I found was that the binding in the `do` block forces an evaluation while in the applicative style it may/does not. I am not sure I am right, though.
2024-05-03 14:26:30 +0000 <gaff> kuribas: I know
2024-05-03 14:27:02 +0000 <kuribas> gaff: not necessarily. It could be a lazy monad.
2024-05-03 14:27:05 +0000 <EvanR> if the general question is, is there any difference between do notation and applicative style, yes they end up going through two different type classes
2024-05-03 14:27:21 +0000stiell_(~stiell@gateway/tor-sasl/stiell)
2024-05-03 14:27:33 +0000 <EvanR> your code might be an example where they end up doing the same thing, but definitely different in general
2024-05-03 14:27:49 +0000 <gaff> EvanR: I mean from the standpoint of evaluation/laziness.
2024-05-03 14:29:45 +0000 <kuribas> gaff: note that 'x' could be lazy, but it most be "produced" by effect "p", before the lambda can be evaulated, which is not true in the applicated.
2024-05-03 14:29:47 +0000Sgeo(~Sgeo@user/sgeo)
2024-05-03 14:30:09 +0000 <gaff> kuribas: exactly
2024-05-03 14:30:26 +0000stiell(~stiell@gateway/tor-sasl/stiell) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2024-05-03 14:31:03 +0000 <gaff> so when `p` fails, for example, the monadic style can short circuit computation where as the applicative style may not.
2024-05-03 14:31:33 +0000onion(~yin@user/zero) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
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2024-05-03 14:32:27 +0000 <kuribas> gaff: it could, it is not "required" to work in "parallel".
2024-05-03 14:33:04 +0000 <gaff> kuribas: I am not sure wht you are saying there. parallel where?
2024-05-03 14:33:06 +0000onion(~yin@user/zero)
2024-05-03 14:33:51 +0000 <kuribas> run "p" and "many p" in parallel.
2024-05-03 14:34:18 +0000 <gaff> if `p` fails, the do block will short circuit.
2024-05-03 14:34:34 +0000 <gaff> it is a sequential computation.
2024-05-03 14:35:06 +0000stiell_(~stiell@gateway/tor-sasl/stiell) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2024-05-03 14:35:38 +0000 <kuribas> yes
2024-05-03 14:35:42 +0000k``(~k``@136.54.34.25) (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2024-05-03 14:36:34 +0000stiell_(~stiell@gateway/tor-sasl/stiell)
2024-05-03 14:38:06 +0000 <gaff> Hey, thanks a bunch. I didn't fully resolve this here. May be i will come back later and pose the same question again.
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2024-05-03 14:52:12 +0000 <onion> kuribas: i know what forall means, but it should be implicit. i was testing lambdabot to try and understand which extensions were being used
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2024-05-03 14:53:40 +0000 <kuribas> onion: what do you mean "it should be implicit"?
2024-05-03 14:54:01 +0000 <kuribas> RankN types are undecidable.
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2024-05-03 17:57:21 +0000 <raehik> How can I check the transitive dependencies of a Hackage (or local Cabal) package? I'm building an aeson that I don't expect and don't know if it's my Nix setup or an actual dep.
2024-05-03 17:58:05 +0000 <raehik> Oh wait, self-answer. cabal freeze appears to do it!
2024-05-03 17:58:19 +0000 <tomsmeding> raehik: you can also check the contents of dist-newstyle/cache/plan.json
2024-05-03 17:58:39 +0000 <raehik> ooh I've never looked in there. cheers tomsmeding
2024-05-03 17:58:48 +0000 <tomsmeding> the cabal-plan tool has utilities for reading that file, but it's also hand-readable if you run it through a json formatter
2024-05-03 17:59:12 +0000 <tomsmeding> ('cabal-plan dot' gives you a graphviz dot graph of your dep graph)
2024-05-03 17:59:27 +0000 <tomsmeding> (warning: that graph is large)
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2024-05-03 18:02:47 +0000 <raehik> super! cabal-plan tred has extremely concise understandable output
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2024-05-03 18:11:23 +0000 <monochrom> I need to write my own json formatter. :)
2024-05-03 18:11:44 +0000stiell(~stiell@gateway/tor-sasl/stiell)
2024-05-03 18:11:50 +0000 <monochrom> Actually that's just egotism. I should just use an existing one.
2024-05-03 18:13:05 +0000 <monochrom> (I need a json formatter for all sorts of json-using things, not just cabal's plan file.)
2024-05-03 18:13:49 +0000 <EvanR> the more inconsequential the change to the syntax the more egotism. New programming language < new syntax < new syntax for comments < new whitespace formatting
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2024-05-03 18:20:42 +0000 <tomsmeding> monochrom: why not?
2024-05-03 18:21:21 +0000tomsmedingjust :%!jq .<cr> in vim but that's 1% effort 80% reward
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2024-05-03 19:05:44 +0000 <erty> Has anybody tried running AI code on GPU using Haskell libraries (eg. Accelerate)
2024-05-03 19:05:48 +0000waleee(~waleee@h-176-10-144-38.NA.cust.bahnhof.se)
2024-05-03 19:05:51 +0000 <erty> Some time ago I tried to run AI, but can't because of outdated dependencies. I tried to follow the instructions [[here][https://github.com/AccelerateHS/accelerate-llvm]], but was constantly bombarded with erros related to some dependency depending on some outdated dependencies.
2024-05-03 19:06:20 +0000stiell_(~stiell@gateway/tor-sasl/stiell)
2024-05-03 19:06:48 +0000 <erty> Can somebody link me to some updated haskell project that use AI
2024-05-03 19:09:58 +0000stiell(~stiell@gateway/tor-sasl/stiell) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2024-05-03 19:11:05 +0000 <tomsmeding> erty: try putting this in cabal.project https://paste.tomsmeding.com/lzv5ZgHN
2024-05-03 19:11:16 +0000 <tomsmeding> that gives you LLVM 15 support in accelerate
2024-05-03 19:11:27 +0000 <tomsmeding> newer LLVM versions are unfortunately not supported yet
2024-05-03 19:12:43 +0000stiell(~stiell@gateway/tor-sasl/stiell)
2024-05-03 19:13:19 +0000 <erty> ok i'll try
2024-05-03 19:13:45 +0000 <raehik> I'm doing some Show-like printing (need context-sensitive brackets) and I'm sad to find no Text replacements for ShowS. Would a Text builder be more performant than the current ShowS one?
2024-05-03 19:14:07 +0000euleritian(~euleritia@87.79.39.180)
2024-05-03 19:14:20 +0000 <raehik> e.g. class TShow a where tshowsPrec :: Int -> a -> TextBuilder
2024-05-03 19:14:27 +0000tomsmedinghas seen https://hackage.haskell.org/package/text-builder-linear and found it interesting, but not used yet
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2024-05-03 19:20:10 +0000 <raehik> oh excellent good find tomsmeding
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2024-05-03 19:25:06 +0000 <raehik> ahh https://hackage.haskell.org/package/text-show is what I was hoping for! but the linear types builder seems much more performant
2024-05-03 19:25:44 +0000 <geekosaur> yes, I'd expect that
2024-05-03 19:25:57 +0000 <Hecate> raehik: text-display will use the text-builder-linear in the future
2024-05-03 19:26:07 +0000 <Hecate> https://flora.pm/packages/@hackage/text-display
2024-05-03 19:26:20 +0000 <geekosaur> ShowS is an optimization for small particles (individual Chars in a list), Builder is an optimization for building large chunks (Text)
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2024-05-03 19:29:35 +0000 <raehik> geekosaur: I see, ty. it feels bad to use Show when it has to be placed inside a larger string, even if the ShowS bit is small, so I was looking for an excuse to go Text-only
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2024-05-03 19:31:49 +0000 <raehik> Hecate: ty ty! is text-display otherwise similar design to text-show (same builder, similar instances)?
2024-05-03 19:34:42 +0000 <raehik> (that reminds me I still need to shift mt19937 over to the haskell-cryptography org!)
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2024-05-03 19:37:13 +0000 <Hecate> raehik: hmm for base types probaby yes. It gives you more end user-oriented facilities to produce instances however
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2024-05-03 19:39:54 +0000 <raehik> fab. time to spam text-builder-linear every chance I get
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2024-05-03 20:11:26 +0000 <raehik> I want to inspect a TypeRep for pretty printing (without going thru String). But the definition in Data.Typeable.Internal isn't exported. What do I do? Show TypeRep uses it.
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2024-05-03 20:19:34 +0000 <tomsmeding> raehik: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/base-4.19.0.0/docs/Data-Typeable.html#v:splitTyConApp gets you very far
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2024-05-03 20:21:52 +0000 <raehik> thanks tomsmeding , that consumes one of the constructors I was curious about
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2024-05-03 20:25:24 +0000 <tomsmeding> raehik: if I look here https://hackage.haskell.org/package/base-4.19.0.0/docs/Type-Reflection.html#g:4 I see a bunch of pattern synonyms
2024-05-03 20:26:01 +0000 <tomsmeding> still doesn't seem like the whole set yet
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2024-05-03 20:28:24 +0000 <raehik> maybe I can do this with generics instead and avoid all this
2024-05-03 20:28:56 +0000 <tomsmeding> typeable always feels like an "I give up" solution to me
2024-05-03 20:29:29 +0000 <raehik> hahaha I've always avoided it in my own code, had a similar feeling
2024-05-03 20:29:30 +0000 <tomsmeding> good luck with generics though, it's possible to get through it but if you haven't touched GHC.Generics before, it can be a bit daunting
2024-05-03 20:30:06 +0000 <raehik> I've love my generics :)) been spamming /r/haskell with them lately
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2024-05-03 20:30:17 +0000 <tomsmeding> in that case, go right out :)
2024-05-03 20:33:45 +0000 <monochrom> But generics examines terms not types...
2024-05-03 20:34:28 +0000stiell(~stiell@gateway/tor-sasl/stiell)
2024-05-03 20:34:28 +0000 <tomsmeding> monochrom: examining a TypeRep gives you a value-level witness for a type
2024-05-03 20:34:41 +0000 <monochrom> Although, I have been thinking of how to write a unification algorithm that works for everyone's algebraic data types, and currently I am thinking of generics.
2024-05-03 20:34:43 +0000 <tomsmeding> you can do the same with generics if you specify the subset of types that you want to support
2024-05-03 20:34:57 +0000 <monochrom> Oh, that. :(
2024-05-03 20:35:22 +0000stiell_(~stiell@gateway/tor-sasl/stiell) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2024-05-03 20:35:27 +0000 <tomsmeding> though I feel that you don't need generics for this
2024-05-03 20:35:37 +0000 <tomsmeding> a simple type class with instances for the shapes you want to support should be enough
2024-05-03 20:35:42 +0000 <tomsmeding> raehik: ^
2024-05-03 20:36:01 +0000 <EvanR> you mean, don't go through Typeable at all
2024-05-03 20:36:35 +0000stiell_(~stiell@gateway/tor-sasl/stiell)
2024-05-03 20:36:38 +0000 <raehik> hmm not too sure I can go via Generic any more. don't know how to inspect type args e.g. l and r in `data And l r`
2024-05-03 20:36:40 +0000 <tomsmeding> EvanR: I mean, they were running against TypeRep not being inspectable so they were looking into alternatives
2024-05-03 20:37:07 +0000 <EvanR> basically make your own TypeRep-like thing which can be rendered as Text directly
2024-05-03 20:37:25 +0000 <monochrom> Oh haha here is another idea for my unification plan and it is why "Maybe [T]" can make sense.
2024-05-03 20:38:04 +0000 <tomsmeding> raehik: oh that's right, Generic talks about monomorphic types
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2024-05-03 20:40:16 +0000 <monochrom> The user will provide "E -> E -> Maybe [(E,E)]". Nothing means that the roots mismatch. Just xs means that the roots match, and the list is the list of childrens to check further.
2024-05-03 20:40:42 +0000 <tomsmeding> monochrom: is this for diffing
2024-05-03 20:40:51 +0000 <raehik> tomsmeding: haha rats. perhaps I'm stuck with Typeable if I want to print the TypeRep of a data type
2024-05-03 20:40:58 +0000 <monochrom> Yeah.
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2024-05-03 20:41:17 +0000 <tomsmeding> @hackage hdiff
2024-05-03 20:41:17 +0000 <lambdabot> https://hackage.haskell.org/package/hdiff
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2024-05-03 20:43:13 +0000 <tomsmeding> (good luck wading through the types there)
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