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2024-04-25 00:03:12 +0200 <haskellbridge> <i​rregularsphere> (continuning discussion about exofunctors) by the way, I realized my code snippet's problem is at `<*>` because that does not appear in the traditional definition of a lax monoidal functor, rather only on Haskell (with their `id f a = f a`)
2024-04-25 00:03:32 +0200 <haskellbridge> <i​rregularsphere> could have realized this sooner, I know
2024-04-25 00:04:31 +0200 <haskellbridge> <i​rregularsphere> also, I found freelude which is interesting too
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2024-04-25 00:05:08 +0200 <ncf> what problem?
2024-04-25 00:06:27 +0200 <ncf> haskell's definition is something like a lax closed functor, which are equivalent to lax monoidal functors between monoidal closed categories
2024-04-25 00:07:04 +0200Lears(~Leary]@user/Leary/x-0910699) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2024-04-25 00:08:01 +0200 <ncf> but yes it looks like constraining x -> y is a bit random
2024-04-25 00:08:46 +0200 <ncf> i guess you need that because of the precondition thing on FuncOf?
2024-04-25 00:12:23 +0200peterbecich(~Thunderbi@47.229.123.186)
2024-04-25 00:15:04 +0200 <ncf> i guess the issue here is that Eq is not a *closed* subcategory of Hask
2024-04-25 00:15:30 +0200 <ncf> so you can get away with ConsMonoidal but not ConsApplicative
2024-04-25 00:18:29 +0200 <haskellbridge> <i​rregularsphere> ncf: constraints asking for too much, e.g. `a (x -> y)`
2024-04-25 00:18:48 +0200 <haskellbridge> <i​rregularsphere> I need the precondition because of `(<*>) = liftA2 id`
2024-04-25 00:19:14 +0200 <haskellbridge> <i​rregularsphere> and `liftA2 f a = (<*>) fmapC (f a)`
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2024-04-25 00:20:39 +0200 <haskellbridge> <i​rregularsphere> `liftA2 f a = (<*> (fmapC f a))*`
2024-04-25 00:21:32 +0200 <haskellbridge> <i​rregularsphere> since `f :: x -> y -> z` then `fmapC` implies `a x, a (y -> z)`, thus `(<*>) fs as = liftA2 id` and `id :: (x -> y) -> x -> y` implies `a (x -> y)`
2024-04-25 00:23:04 +0200 <haskellbridge> <i​rregularsphere> and yes haskell's Applicative is that (I don't know what a lax closed functor is specifically) but after constraining you don't see `a (x -> y)` that much
2024-04-25 00:23:23 +0200cyphase(~cyphase@user/cyphase) (Quit: cyphase.com)
2024-04-25 00:24:32 +0200 <haskellbridge> <i​rregularsphere> I realized `<*>`'s type signature is `f (x -> y) -> f x- > f y`, since `f` is assumed to work on values of `a` then `f (x -> y)` does not make much sense either
2024-04-25 00:24:38 +0200 <ncf> https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/closed+functor
2024-04-25 00:25:30 +0200 <haskellbridge> <i​rregularsphere> ah
2024-04-25 00:25:49 +0200 <haskellbridge> <i​rregularsphere> so my code snippet only works on closed subcategories
2024-04-25 00:27:29 +0200 <haskellbridge> <i​rregularsphere> well then I guess it being specifically a closed subcategory is not good! imagine `Eq (x -> y)`
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2024-04-25 04:51:38 +0200 <haskellbridge> <i​rregularsphere> ...right, the FuncOf precondition is probably not needed anyway
2024-04-25 04:52:04 +0200 <haskellbridge> <i​rregularsphere> should I make a library out of this after polishing? seems promising
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2024-04-25 06:04:41 +0200 <Inst> wait, Int is magical, right?
2024-04-25 06:04:57 +0200 <Inst> Int, Char, etc, they should evaluate to Int# Thunk
2024-04-25 06:05:05 +0200 <Inst> Char# Thunk
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2024-04-25 06:14:47 +0200 <c_wraith> Int is not magical, other than the constructor name. Int# is magical
2024-04-25 06:15:41 +0200 <c_wraith> Int is the regular Haskell wrapper around the magic Int#
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2024-04-25 07:52:50 +0200 <dminuoso> In fact, Int will evaluate to Int.
2024-04-25 07:52:57 +0200 <dminuoso> It's a box around Int#
2024-04-25 07:53:15 +0200 <dminuoso> While GHC will aggressively try to unbox Int, you cannot rely on that.
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2024-04-25 08:37:02 +0200 <renpose> So I'm using HKD with the barbies package, and I ended up writing `newtype F a f = F (f a) deriving (Generic, FunctorB, ApplicativeB, TraversableB)` since I cannot use `type TyF f = Identity (f Ty)` and use `TyF` partially applied in a type family. What is `F`? Surely it has a name?
2024-04-25 08:38:12 +0200 <renpose> Is it just a higher-kinded version of the identity functor?
2024-04-25 08:41:59 +0200 <dminuoso> renpose: Mmm, it's a kind of lifted ($) I guess.
2024-04-25 08:42:57 +0200 <dminuoso> Apply might be a suitable name, though semigroupoids uses it for something else (namely Applicative sans pure)
2024-04-25 08:43:12 +0200 <dminuoso> Or you could just call it Dollar. :-)
2024-04-25 08:43:32 +0200 <dminuoso> Or you could just straight up name it :$ or :$:
2024-04-25 08:43:34 +0200 <renpose> `($) == flip id` isn't it?
2024-04-25 08:43:45 +0200 <dminuoso> No, ($) = id.
2024-04-25 08:43:46 +0200 <renpose> I like :$:
2024-04-25 08:44:08 +0200 <renpose> Oh yeah, brainfart
2024-04-25 08:45:35 +0200 <jackdk> it's more like `(&) = flip ($)`, no?
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2024-04-25 13:08:46 +0200 <Inst> dminuoso: the problem is, whenever I try to seq a value of type int, I just get the constructor
2024-04-25 13:09:23 +0200 <Inst> there's a nice Julian girl, well, not sure what to call her, with OCaml experience who's playing around with Haskell these days
2024-04-25 13:09:24 +0200ubert(~Thunderbi@2a02:8109:ab8a:5a00:7c15:d614:7e94:5929)
2024-04-25 13:09:44 +0200 <Inst> has a Haskell background, and was complaining about her scanl1 being inefficient because it was defined via maps
2024-04-25 13:10:39 +0200 <Inst> it was, but not because of the reason she thought (i.e, O(n^log n, I think) because of the maps, but because of the thunks she was accumulating
2024-04-25 13:10:52 +0200 <Inst> so went on about laziness
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2024-04-25 13:11:41 +0200 <Inst> but basically, literally, every Int has a WHNF of Int Int# iirc
2024-04-25 13:11:52 +0200 <Inst> Int _
2024-04-25 13:13:43 +0200ocra8(ocra8@user/ocra8)
2024-04-25 13:27:22 +0200 <tomsmeding> Int is just `data Int = I# Int#`
2024-04-25 13:27:26 +0200 <tomsmeding> so yes, it is lazy
2024-04-25 13:31:06 +0200 <Inst> and iirc even if i seq an Int constructor (but not deepseq), it won't evaluate the underlying number
2024-04-25 13:31:30 +0200 <Inst> is that called boxing?
2024-04-25 13:32:34 +0200 <Inst> the implication is also that addition in Haskell... well, i wasn't actualyl that surprised by that!
2024-04-25 13:32:48 +0200 <Inst> addition, basic arithmetic operations, is also lazy
2024-04-25 13:33:17 +0200 <Inst> not until i pattern match, run an eq, or do something like print
2024-04-25 13:33:28 +0200 <tomsmeding> I think seq'ing an Int constructor will evaluate the Int#
2024-04-25 13:33:52 +0200 <tomsmeding> Int# is an unlifted data type, so it has no bottom value
2024-04-25 13:34:06 +0200 <tomsmeding> so if you evaluate until you have an I#, you automatically also have the Int# inside
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2024-04-25 14:18:16 +0200 <Inst> so it's sort of the reverse of newtype?
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2024-04-25 14:28:15 +0200 <lyxia> it's different
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2024-04-25 14:42:47 +0200 <tomsmeding> https://hackage.haskell.org/package/base-4.19.1.0/docs/GHC-Exts.html#t:RuntimeRep
2024-04-25 14:43:15 +0200 <tomsmeding> % :i Int#
2024-04-25 14:43:15 +0200 <yahb2> type Int# :: TYPE 'IntRep ; data Int# ; -- Defined in ‘GHC.Prim’
2024-04-25 14:43:21 +0200 <tomsmeding> Int# is unboxed
2024-04-25 14:43:34 +0200 <tomsmeding> (which is something different from "unlifted", which is what I said before)
2024-04-25 14:44:14 +0200 <tomsmeding> boxed values are those that are represented by a pointer to a heap location
2024-04-25 14:44:24 +0200 <tomsmeding> lifted values are those that can be bottom (i.e. that are "lazy")
2024-04-25 14:45:06 +0200 <tomsmeding> boxed types can be unlifted; this means that _|_ is not an element of that type
2024-04-25 14:46:02 +0200tromp(~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl)
2024-04-25 14:46:11 +0200 <tomsmeding> with -XUnliftedDatatypes you can define your own unlifted data types https://downloads.haskell.org/ghc/latest/docs/users_guide/exts/primitives.html#extension-UnliftedD…
2024-04-25 14:46:44 +0200 <tomsmeding> unboxed types can never be lifted (because they are not represented by a pointer, they are just the value itself), hence the liftedness distinction applies to boxed types only
2024-04-25 14:47:13 +0200 <tomsmeding> when I figured out the model of how this works, I was delighted by how structured it really is
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2024-04-25 15:32:03 +0200 <haskellbridge> <i​rregularsphere> is there a haskell feature/system that can create new kinds?
2024-04-25 15:32:59 +0200 <ncf> https://ghc.gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/doc/users_guide/exts/data_kinds.html
2024-04-25 15:33:43 +0200 <haskellbridge> <i​rregularsphere> thanks (man, you know everything)
2024-04-25 15:38:59 +0200yin(~yin@user/zero)
2024-04-25 15:42:28 +0200 <tomsmeding> (DataKinds is a feature that you absolutely _cannot miss_ if you want to do dependently-typed-ish stuff in haskell)
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2024-04-25 17:10:48 +0200 <carbolymer> asyncs are reusing threads, right?
2024-04-25 17:11:19 +0200 <carbolymer> i.e. if I do `throwTo` to async's thread, it doesn't die right away, does it?
2024-04-25 17:13:07 +0200 <EvanR> messing with async's thread without going through async sounds questionable
2024-04-25 17:13:16 +0200 <carbolymer> oh it does https://hackage.haskell.org/package/async-2.2.5/docs/Control-Concurrent-Async.html#v:cancel
2024-04-25 17:13:23 +0200 <EvanR> you can cancel an async thread through async
2024-04-25 17:13:30 +0200 <c_wraith> Well, it dies whenever the exception is delivered.
2024-04-25 17:13:41 +0200 <c_wraith> A thread can run for a long time without receiving an async exception
2024-04-25 17:13:50 +0200 <c_wraith> .. if the code is written in just the right way.
2024-04-25 17:14:45 +0200 <carbolymer> no complaints on async implementation
2024-04-25 17:15:07 +0200 <carbolymer> tbh it's the best concurrency api I've worked with
2024-04-25 17:15:14 +0200 <EvanR> me too
2024-04-25 17:15:58 +0200 <EvanR> it makes simple stuff simple
2024-04-25 17:16:13 +0200 <EvanR> and doesn't try to claim that complicated stuff is simple
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2024-04-25 17:44:01 +0200 <dminuoso> Sigh, Im starting to really want named parameters.
2024-04-25 17:46:42 +0200 <EvanR> pass in a record ?
2024-04-25 17:46:57 +0200 <dminuoso> For a one-off function?
2024-04-25 17:47:05 +0200 <EvanR> even better
2024-04-25 17:47:06 +0200 <dminuoso> With only one call-site?
2024-04-25 17:47:19 +0200 <EvanR> then you can hide it all without worry about name pollution
2024-04-25 17:48:17 +0200 <EvanR> if you start doing N of these one off one call site things you have a point
2024-04-25 17:48:19 +0200 <dminuoso> It's just all so disconnected.
2024-04-25 17:50:36 +0200 <carbolymer> dminuoso: I was literally thinking this while looking at a function with 13 argumens in my teammate's PR
2024-04-25 17:51:17 +0200 <dminuoso> It feels like fmap{f = (* 2), x = Just 2} should be a thing. Id be totally fine with restrictions like having to name all (named) arguments.
2024-04-25 17:51:22 +0200 <carbolymer> dminuoso: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/named-0.3.0.1/docs/Named.html
2024-04-25 17:51:41 +0200 <dminuoso> Especially since record construction already in itself has named parameters, considering the data constructor is a function too.
2024-04-25 17:52:34 +0200 <dminuoso> carbolymer: Hah, fun coincidence I have needle and haysteck as two names for my usecase too!
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2024-04-25 17:53:29 +0200 <dminuoso> Yeah, Im aware you can conjure something with Symbol, but it introducing a whole dependency just to avoid writing a separate data type for a one-off thing seems like overkill too.
2024-04-25 17:54:10 +0200 <EvanR> the paper "extensible records with scoped labels", yet another application of extensible records, strikes again
2024-04-25 17:54:34 +0200 <EvanR> your notation could be interpreted as passing in an anonymous extensible record
2024-04-25 17:55:43 +0200 <dminuoso> Honestly, Im rather surprised this syntax is restricted to just constructors.
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2024-04-25 19:23:52 +0200 <tomsmeding> yeah there's more libraries like that https://hackage.haskell.org/package/tagged-0.8.8/docs/Data-Tagged.html
2024-04-25 19:24:08 +0200 <tomsmeding> (tagged is more low-tech)
2024-04-25 19:25:24 +0200 <tomsmeding> but that doesn't do anything to reduce the feeling of "this is overkill"
2024-04-25 19:32:09 +0200 <mauke> you know what they say: there's no such thing as "too much overkill"
2024-04-25 19:33:07 +0200 <EvanR> cycle "over" ++ "kill"
2024-04-25 19:33:20 +0200 <EvanR> does not terminate. QED
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2024-04-25 23:33:59 +0200 <cheater> is there a way to download all of stackage easily
2024-04-25 23:34:03 +0200mei(~mei@user/mei) (Remote host closed the connection)
2024-04-25 23:34:06 +0200 <cheater> and then use that as a resolver for cabal or whatever
2024-04-25 23:34:12 +0200totalghost(~ghost@172-105-178-131.ip.linodeusercontent.com)
2024-04-25 23:36:18 +0200 <dolio> You mean you want to download all the archives? Or a list of versions to use with cabal?
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2024-04-25 23:37:22 +0200 <cheater> archives
2024-04-25 23:37:41 +0200 <cheater> it's probably fine if it's one archive per package, as long as they all work with each other
2024-04-25 23:38:27 +0200 <cheater> or like. mostly work
2024-04-25 23:38:30 +0200 <cheater> most of them
2024-04-25 23:38:32 +0200 <cheater> etc etc
2024-04-25 23:38:36 +0200 <sm> https://github.com/haskell/hackage-security/tree/master/hackage-repo-tool might be part of it
2024-04-25 23:38:40 +0200 <cheater> can't have it perfect
2024-04-25 23:38:58 +0200 <cheater> hmm interesting, ty
2024-04-25 23:40:35 +0200 <cheater> jesus that's pretty complex still though
2024-04-25 23:40:42 +0200 <cheater> i thought it would be easier
2024-04-25 23:40:47 +0200euleritian(~euleritia@212.144.241.187) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2024-04-25 23:40:49 +0200 <cheater> i guess not a common need
2024-04-25 23:41:12 +0200 <sm> I've seen discussion of "private hackage repositories" somewhere
2024-04-25 23:41:21 +0200 <geekosaur> except in the corporate world, and I'm not sure they publish their tools
2024-04-25 23:41:36 +0200 <cheater> sm yeah that's what this repo refers to at the top of the readme
2024-04-25 23:41:36 +0200 <sm> #haskell-stack:matrix.org will know more about how to tackle it with stack
2024-04-25 23:42:10 +0200 <cheater> you'd think having local copies of package repos would be more popular given the recent rise in supply chain vectors
2024-04-25 23:43:12 +0200 <dolio> How does pre-downloading the attack help you avoid that?
2024-04-25 23:43:33 +0200 <cheater> that's a pretty big assumption you're making there
2024-04-25 23:44:49 +0200yin(~yin@user/zero)
2024-04-25 23:45:01 +0200 <sm> also: https://cabal.readthedocs.io/en/3.4/installing-packages.html#local-no-index-repositories
2024-04-25 23:45:43 +0200 <cheater> hell yea
2024-04-25 23:45:48 +0200 <cheater> that's exactly how i imagined it
2024-04-25 23:46:44 +0200 <cheater> thanks a lot sm
2024-04-25 23:47:21 +0200 <cheater> i guess you could use stack with an lts resolver and just hammer all the packages it has one by one and put them in a dir like that
2024-04-25 23:47:22 +0200 <haskellbridge> <s​m> np. You've still got to get a copy of all needed tarballs
2024-04-25 23:47:32 +0200 <cheater> and then you never have to touch stack again
2024-04-25 23:47:49 +0200 <cheater> the which is the preferable way to use stack
2024-04-25 23:48:29 +0200 <haskellbridge> <s​m> do you simply want to point cabal to a stackage snapshot, with a suitable entry in cabal.project ?
2024-04-25 23:50:05 +0200 <haskellbridge> <s​m> someone here will know how to do that.. discussion here: https://github.com/haskell/cabal/issues/7556
2024-04-25 23:50:20 +0200motherfsck(~motherfsc@user/motherfsck)
2024-04-25 23:50:35 +0200 <cheater> well the idea is for the snapshot to be on my computer
2024-04-25 23:50:59 +0200 <haskellbridge> <s​m> ah
2024-04-25 23:52:56 +0200 <haskellbridge> <s​m> if you install a few big packages with either cabal or stack, most of these tarballs will be available under ~/.cabal or ~/.stack :)
2024-04-25 23:53:04 +0200 <cheater> heh
2024-04-25 23:53:12 +0200 <cheater> well, the idea is to keep those packages around for a while
2024-04-25 23:53:26 +0200 <cheater> so not just download them and use them immediately
2024-04-25 23:53:30 +0200 <haskellbridge> <s​m> sure. But copy them from there to your new dir
2024-04-25 23:53:33 +0200 <cheater> like dolio said, that doesn't do much
2024-04-25 23:53:35 +0200 <cheater> right
2024-04-25 23:53:59 +0200 <cheater> well, i'm satisfied that it's possible
2024-04-25 23:54:03 +0200 <cheater> that's all i really needed to know
2024-04-25 23:54:12 +0200 <haskellbridge> <s​m> actually, copy them from ~/.stack so they all come from the desired snapshot.
2024-04-25 23:54:42 +0200 <haskellbridge> <s​m> poor man's stackage-mirroring workflow, until you find the right way
2024-04-25 23:55:01 +0200 <cheater> aye
2024-04-25 23:55:19 +0200 <cheater> eh i think the file information should be available somehow somewhere at which point you're just wgeting all things
2024-04-25 23:55:23 +0200 <cheater> it's fine though
2024-04-25 23:55:28 +0200 <cheater> don't need to figure this one out rn
2024-04-25 23:55:28 +0200euleritian(~euleritia@212.144.241.187)
2024-04-25 23:55:29 +0200 <cheater> :)
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