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2024-04-10 00:53:24 +0200 | <energizer> | in this exercise https://i.imgur.com/nEoruJW.png what can "implement the expressions from the laws" mean |
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2024-04-10 00:56:00 +0200 | <geekosaur> | the laws are the bullet points; the expressions are contained within them |
2024-04-10 00:56:10 +0200 | <ski> | give values of this `data' type, that represents the expressions on both sides of the given laws |
2024-04-10 00:56:55 +0200 | <ski> | (i guess three's three expressions listed, for the neutral element and absorption laws) |
2024-04-10 00:57:10 +0200 | <energizer> | what does implement the expressions mean? |
2024-04-10 00:57:24 +0200 | <ski> | see what i just said above |
2024-04-10 00:57:58 +0200 | <energizer> | what you mean like `9`? |
2024-04-10 00:59:25 +0200 | sawilagar | (~sawilagar@user/sawilagar) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) |
2024-04-10 01:00:04 +0200 | <energizer> | i'm afraid i dont follow |
2024-04-10 01:02:07 +0200 | <ski> | e.g. in the law ⌜a ⋅ (b + c) = (a + b) ⋅ (a + c)⌝, the two expression sides would be ⌜a ⋅ (b + c)⌝ and ⌜(a + b) ⋅ (a + c)⌝, which you could represent as value of the type `SR v', for some type `v' of variables/parameters/unknowns/indeterminates (maybe `String') |
2024-04-10 01:03:06 +0200 | <ski> | er, that would be ⌜a ⋅ (b + c) = (a ⋅ b) + (a ⋅ c)⌝, resp the expressions ⌜a ⋅ (b + c)⌝ and ⌜(a ⋅ b) + (a ⋅ c)⌝ |
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2024-04-10 01:32:19 +0200 | <energizer> | ski: as in, i'm supposed to just give some examples of such expressions, like this? https://bpa.st/CLGA |
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2024-04-10 01:41:23 +0200 | <energizer> | like, i understand that and/or/t/f are mul/add/0/1 for the boolean semiring i just dont understand what implement means |
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2024-04-10 03:36:27 +0200 | <Axman6> | I also find those instructions quite confusing - so they want data SR v = Add (SR v) (SR v) | Mul (SR v) (SR v) | Aid | Mid | V v? |
2024-04-10 03:36:31 +0200 | <Axman6> | do* |
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2024-04-10 04:55:32 +0200 | <jcarpenter2> | Is there a function that's like fmap, but with state? I'm looking for a type signature like: (a -> b -> (a, c)) -> a -> f b -> f c |
2024-04-10 04:56:30 +0200 | <jcarpenter2> | So you pass in a function that takes the "state" a, an instance b, and returns new state and an output (a, c); an initial state; and a container, and get back the mapped container |
2024-04-10 04:56:54 +0200 | acidjnk_new | (~acidjnk@p200300d6e714dc00c12ceadbd6a85e80.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
2024-04-10 04:56:57 +0200 | <jcarpenter2> | like a fold, but maps instead of reduces |
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2024-04-10 05:01:08 +0200 | <geekosaur> | :t mapAccumL |
2024-04-10 05:01:10 +0200 | <lambdabot> | Traversable t => (a -> b -> (a, c)) -> a -> t b -> (a, t c) |
2024-04-10 05:01:27 +0200 | <geekosaur> | same thing except you also get back the final state |
2024-04-10 05:01:52 +0200 | <jcarpenter2> | oh my gosh, thank you |
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2024-04-10 05:18:54 +0200 | <jackdk> | You could probably also do it with `traverse` using `State s` as your `Applicative`, but `mapAccumL` is going to be easier |
2024-04-10 05:21:03 +0200 | <jcarpenter2> | that makes sense |
2024-04-10 05:21:35 +0200 | <jcarpenter2> | boy, I haven't written Haskell in years, and now my brain is getting warped (un-warped?) |
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2024-04-10 05:49:38 +0200 | <EvanR> | I didn't know about mapAccumL for a long time |
2024-04-10 05:50:22 +0200 | <EvanR> | @src mapAccumL |
2024-04-10 05:50:22 +0200 | <lambdabot> | mapAccumL _ s [] = (s, []) |
2024-04-10 05:50:22 +0200 | <lambdabot> | mapAccumL f s (x:xs) = (s'',y:ys) |
2024-04-10 05:50:23 +0200 | <lambdabot> | where (s', y ) = f s x |
2024-04-10 05:50:23 +0200 | <lambdabot> | (s'',ys) = mapAccumL f s' xs |
2024-04-10 05:50:35 +0200 | <EvanR> | cmon nothing involving scanl? |
2024-04-10 05:51:28 +0200 | poollovernathan | (~u0_a408@108.145.176.65) |
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2024-04-10 05:53:08 +0200 | <Axman6> | jcarpenter2: welcome back :) |
2024-04-10 05:53:38 +0200 | <jcarpenter2> | thanks :) |
2024-04-10 05:54:18 +0200 | <mauke> | :t (runState .) . traverse . (state .) |
2024-04-10 05:54:19 +0200 | <lambdabot> | Traversable t => (a -> s -> (b, s)) -> t a -> s -> (t b, s) |
2024-04-10 05:54:34 +0200 | <jcarpenter2> | It's rare things in life that genuinely give me the feeling of getting smarter. Haskell is one, The Witness was another |
2024-04-10 05:54:48 +0200 | <poollovernathan> | is there a way to ‘switch’ monads during a do-block? I'm playing with linear types (purely for fun/excercise) and want to make a linear-compatible State and I think I can do this by taking a `Maybe *` as a type parameter and making `get` switch from a `State (Just t) a` to a `State Nothing a`. I think the best way I can think of so far would be to use RebindableSyntax and change (>>=) to do |
2024-04-10 05:54:54 +0200 | <poollovernathan> | this; does anyone have ideas for other possibilities? |
2024-04-10 05:55:41 +0200 | <Axman6> | hmm, the first thing that comes to mind is indexed monads |
2024-04-10 05:56:57 +0200 | <Axman6> | https://wespiser.com/posts/2020-05-06-IxMonad.html |
2024-04-10 05:57:12 +0200 | <Axman6> | (an arbitrary post that looks relevant after skimming it) |
2024-04-10 05:57:53 +0200 | <poollovernathan> | those seem interesting! they seem simultaneously more general and concrete than my half-baked idea |
2024-04-10 05:59:54 +0200 | <Axman6> | and also https://kseo.github.io/posts/2017-01-12-indexed-monads.html which seems very close to your usecase |
2024-04-10 06:00:34 +0200 | <Axman6> | so rather than having a state of Maybe *, you'd just use the type or () |
2024-04-10 06:01:08 +0200 | _ht | (~Thunderbi@28-52-174-82.ftth.glasoperator.nl) |
2024-04-10 06:02:57 +0200 | <poollovernathan> | so I could make a `class IxMonad (s ∷ ★) (m ∷ s → s → ★ → ★) where (>>=) ∷ m p i a → (a → m i f b) → m p f b` and rewrite the standard library? |
2024-04-10 06:03:39 +0200 | <poollovernathan> | (if I had a nickel for every time I've had to rewrite a language's stdlib for a slightly different use case, I'd have two nickels) |
2024-04-10 06:05:41 +0200 | <Axman6> | perhaps, I'm not sure I understand the example, but it looks about right |
2024-04-10 06:07:37 +0200 | <poollovernathan> | oh, for example purposes I'd `instance IxMonad (Maybe ★) StateL where (>>=) = _` |
2024-04-10 06:09:19 +0200 | <poollovernathan> | then I'd define `get ∷ StateL (Just a) Nothing a` and `put ∷ a ⊸ StateL Nothing (Just a) ()` |
2024-04-10 06:09:43 +0200 | <Axman6> | Oh nice - type level MVars :p |
2024-04-10 06:10:06 +0200 | <Axman6> | that feels very much like linear types indeed |
2024-04-10 06:10:11 +0200 | <poollovernathan> | yeah, my main goal was to get this checking (no `get` twice in a row) at compile-time |
2024-04-10 06:11:38 +0200 | <poollovernathan> | time to make a working example… |
2024-04-10 06:12:03 +0200 | <poollovernathan> | or even some form of working code that appears useful when quickly glanced at |
2024-04-10 06:14:11 +0200 | <jackdk> | Most stuff I've read about Indexed Monads predates the QualifiedDo extension, which means you can ergonomically use them without RebindableSyntax |
2024-04-10 06:15:40 +0200 | jinsun | (~jinsun@user/jinsun) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) |
2024-04-10 06:16:46 +0200 | <c_wraith> | QualifiedDo is a fantastic extension for enabling not-quite-monads to work pleasantly without really heavy stuff |
2024-04-10 06:17:01 +0200 | <Axman6> | https://wickstrom.tech/2017-10-27-motor-finite-state-machines-haskell.html looks interesting and possibly related |
2024-04-10 06:20:32 +0200 | tri | (~tri@ool-18bc2e74.dyn.optonline.net) |
2024-04-10 06:21:51 +0200 | <Axman6> | I miss Oskar's work, I remember he had a really good video series on Haskell on youtube and his haskell-at-work website (which appears to now be all spam) |
2024-04-10 06:22:16 +0200 | jinsun | (~jinsun@user/jinsun) |
2024-04-10 06:22:19 +0200 | <EvanR> | QualifiedDo |
2024-04-10 06:22:22 +0200 | <EvanR> | wwwwwhat |
2024-04-10 06:22:28 +0200 | <poollovernathan> | got Functor, IxApplicative, and IxMonad defined in session 2's ghci instance; time to see how much catches fire actually implenting them |
2024-04-10 06:22:37 +0200 | <poollovernathan> | oh! qualifieddo exists |
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2024-04-10 17:52:37 +0200 | <jcarpenter2> | So I'm writin' an AST in Haskell (big surprise /s) |
2024-04-10 17:53:30 +0200 | <jcarpenter2> | Not really sure how best to do it. I could do a regular expression tree like `data Expr = Const Int | Sum Expr Expr | ...`. Or I could use some kind free monad. |
2024-04-10 17:54:17 +0200 | <jcarpenter2> | I'd like to be able to map over this thing, reduce over it, and do all sorts of interesting things. As if `Expr` implements `Functor Expr`, `Traversable Expr`, and so on. |
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2024-04-10 17:55:49 +0200 | <jcarpenter2> | Right now I'm just writing a regular ADT, but I might try switching to something else |
2024-04-10 17:56:52 +0200 | <ski> | `Functor Expr' presupposes `Expr :: * -> *' |
2024-04-10 17:57:06 +0200 | <jcarpenter2> | Oh I'm sorry, you're right. I mis-phrased that. |
2024-04-10 17:59:51 +0200 | <probie> | I've found that simply adding an annotation to each node `data Expr a = Const Int a | Sum (Expr a) (Expr a) a | ...` strikes a good balance between "simple" and "extensible" |
2024-04-10 18:00:36 +0200 | <jcarpenter2> | I mean, it's like a functor with the contained type also fixed as itself. So you could write a function that recurses through the tree, and replacing sub-expressions with other sub-expressions. |
2024-04-10 18:01:52 +0200 | <jcarpenter2> | I was assuming Int as the type of values, not `a`. |
2024-04-10 18:03:04 +0200 | <jcarpenter2> | I think if I wanted to move away from an ADT, it would be to a monad. I want a sort of fixed point of `Expr (Expr (Expr ...))` |
2024-04-10 18:03:16 +0200 | <jcarpenter2> | to a *free monad. |
2024-04-10 18:03:40 +0200 | <ncf> | probie: isn't that the same as (Expr, a) |
2024-04-10 18:03:49 +0200 | <ncf> | oh no nvm |
2024-04-10 18:03:58 +0200 | <ski> | @where DecoratingStructures |
2024-04-10 18:03:58 +0200 | <lambdabot> | <http://web.archive.org/web/20051126143527/http://haskell.org/hawiki/DecoratingStructures> |
2024-04-10 18:04:07 +0200 | <ski> | @where IndirectComposite |
2024-04-10 18:04:07 +0200 | <lambdabot> | <http://web.archive.org/web/20051126141834/http://haskell.org/hawiki/IndirectComposite> |
2024-04-10 18:06:34 +0200 | <ski> | "it's like a functor with the contained type also fixed as itself" -- `fmap :: forall a b. (a -> b) -> (f a -> f b)' in `Functor f' is declared to be polymorphic in `a' and `b', you can't "fix those to be any particular types". there is a `MonoFunctor' class in some package, though .. |
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2024-04-10 18:10:08 +0200 | <jcarpenter2> | Thanks for the ideas ski ! |
2024-04-10 18:10:37 +0200 | <jcarpenter2> | I should mention, I'm still playing, I'm not even really sure what I want. I'm hoping I'll discover what I want as I write some code. |
2024-04-10 18:11:04 +0200 | <ski> | @hackage mono-traversable |
2024-04-10 18:11:04 +0200 | <lambdabot> | https://hackage.haskell.org/package/mono-traversable |
2024-04-10 18:11:27 +0200 | <ski> | class MonoFunctor mono |
2024-04-10 18:11:29 +0200 | <ski> | where |
2024-04-10 18:11:31 +0200 | <ski> | omap :: (Element mono -> Element mono) -> mono -> mono |
2024-04-10 18:11:37 +0200 | <ski> | type family Element mono |
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2024-04-10 18:21:21 +0200 | <probie> | In my own personal code, I'm a big fan of `data Expr r = Const Int | Sum r r | ...` and then annotating via my choice of "fixed point" (e.g. `Fix Expr` `Fix (Compose ((,) SourceLoc) Expr)`), but I think that's a harder sell, and you hit issues if your type is mutually recursive |
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2024-04-10 18:22:25 +0200 | <jcarpenter2> | Interesting |
2024-04-10 18:23:12 +0200 | euleritian | (~euleritia@ip4d16fc38.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) |
2024-04-10 18:24:01 +0200 | <ski> | yea, that's IndirectComposite |
2024-04-10 18:25:31 +0200 | <ski> | probie : you can encode a record of types, all of the same kind, say `*', by parameterizing over a tag kind, like `Tag -> *', stuffing all the `data' constructors into the same declaration |
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2024-04-10 18:28:08 +0200 | <ski> | data AST (ast :: Tag -> *) :: Tag -> * |
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2024-04-10 18:28:10 +0200 | <ski> | where |
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2024-04-10 18:28:43 +0200 | <ncf> | hmm... i don't like this "mono functor" terminology at all |
2024-04-10 18:28:55 +0200 | <ncf> | this is more like a "thing equipped with a setter" |
2024-04-10 18:29:08 +0200 | <ski> | Assign :: ast RValue -> ast RValue -> AST ast Command |
2024-04-10 18:29:14 +0200 | <ski> | &c. |
2024-04-10 18:29:47 +0200 | <ski> | er, s/ast RValue/ast LValue/ for the first one |
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2024-04-10 21:26:51 +0200 | <raehik> | Is there a way to attach Haddock descriptions to type arguments in type families? The regular `-- ^ bla bla` syntax in the kind signature doesn't seem to work. |
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2024-04-10 21:29:42 +0200 | <raehik> | reworded, can I do the same Haddock docs for kind signatures as in type signatures |
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2024-04-10 21:39:49 +0200 | <jle`> | jcarpenter2: btw i think you're looking for something more like a fixed point than a free monad |
2024-04-10 21:40:15 +0200 | <jle`> | jcarpenter2: an Expr type like that is actually a common "tutorial" toy type for recursion-schemes |
2024-04-10 21:40:39 +0200 | <jle`> | jcarpenter2: ie https://blog.sumtypeofway.com/posts/introduction-to-recursion-schemes.html |
2024-04-10 21:41:01 +0200 | <jle`> | a lot of introductions to recursion schemes in different languages use an ADT like that as a tutorial |
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