| 2024-04-09 00:01:07 +0000 | <Inst> | why Cont? |
| 2024-04-09 00:02:30 +0000 | <Inst> | actually, come to think of it, why isn't there a ConcurrentT? |
| 2024-04-09 00:02:45 +0000 | <geekosaur> | every time you invoke your continuation you yield, and potentially a different computation can run. |
| 2024-04-09 00:02:48 +0000 | <Inst> | I guess it's because Cont is mother of all monads? |
| 2024-04-09 00:03:09 +0000 | <geekosaur> | I recognized this back before I even knew about continuations as such |
| 2024-04-09 00:04:12 +0000 | <geekosaur> | (having "there's gotta be a better way" thoughts while working on JNOS/Linux in the 90s; JNOS did cooperative multitasking, uglily) |
| 2024-04-09 00:05:53 +0000 | <geekosaur> | anyway, instead of yielding to the continuation's caller (via runCont or etc.) you yield to a continuation scheduler which runs other continuations and eventually resumes the continuation you yielded |
| 2024-04-09 00:06:00 +0000 | <Inst> | mhm |
| 2024-04-09 00:06:09 +0000 | <geekosaur> | freebsd experimented with a threading model based on this for a while |
| 2024-04-09 00:09:45 +0000 | <geekosaur> | I was talking with someone earlier today who implemented threading in Idris this way, too |
| 2024-04-09 00:10:12 +0000 | <geekosaur> | sorry, last night my time |
| 2024-04-09 00:12:43 +0000 | <Inst> | basic problem is still the RTS and existing threading system, unless you think (and I am completely, not only somewhat, out of my depth to judge) delimited continuations fixed this |
| 2024-04-09 00:13:29 +0000 | <geekosaur> | well, they're by necessity cooperative threading since you need to explicitly yield |
| 2024-04-09 00:13:41 +0000 | <geekosaur> | so this is something you would use in the absence of proper threads |
| 2024-04-09 00:14:41 +0000 | <geekosaur> | (or when working with code written with such an assumption, as with JNOS/Linux; it was a port from DOS and had its own cooperative threading system, and had zero chance of working with real threads) |
| 2024-04-09 00:15:30 +0000 | <c_wraith> | and then you override all syscalls to implicitly yield. |
| 2024-04-09 00:17:09 +0000 | machinedgod | (~machinedg@d173-183-246-216.abhsia.telus.net) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) |
| 2024-04-09 00:21:43 +0000 | <geekosaur> | not just syscalls, it implemented its own userspace TCP/IP, multiple virtual consoles, etc. all of those assumed exclusive access to data structures |
| 2024-04-09 00:22:04 +0000 | <geekosaur> | no locking whatsoever, it was assumed that at yield time everything was up to date and consistent |
| 2024-04-09 00:23:20 +0000 | <Inst> | "90s" |
| 2024-04-09 00:23:25 +0000 | <geekosaur> | although I suppose by syscall you could mean those routines, but as written they weren't sufficiently encapsulated. (very old code expecting to run on DOS…) |
| 2024-04-09 00:23:42 +0000 | tertek | (~tertek@user/tertek) (Quit: %quit%) |
| 2024-04-09 00:23:49 +0000 | <geekosaur> | 80s even |
| 2024-04-09 00:24:02 +0000 | tertek | (~tertek@user/tertek) |
| 2024-04-09 00:24:26 +0000 | <geekosaur> | but then, DOS. not like it had real OS services or threading to call upon |
| 2024-04-09 00:26:44 +0000 | sam113102 | (~sam@24.157.253.231) |
| 2024-04-09 00:26:55 +0000 | pnoumenon | (~noumenon@113.51-175-156.customer.lyse.net) |
| 2024-04-09 00:27:05 +0000 | <Inst> | https://www.langelaar.net/jnos2/documents/about.html ? |
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| 2024-04-09 00:27:54 +0000 | <geekosaur> | yep |
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| 2024-04-09 02:53:09 +0000 | <Inst> | hmmm |
| 2024-04-09 02:53:16 +0000 | <Inst> | is there a function encoding of an algebraic data type? |
| 2024-04-09 02:54:00 +0000 | <geekosaur> | several, I think: Church, Scott, etc. |
| 2024-04-09 02:54:40 +0000 | td_ | (~td@i53870916.versanet.de) |
| 2024-04-09 02:55:36 +0000 | <geekosaur> | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_encoding https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mogensen%E2%80%93Scott_encoding |
| 2024-04-09 02:56:34 +0000 | <geekosaur> | those should link to others |
| 2024-04-09 02:57:04 +0000 | <Inst> | i'm playing around with Julia now and I already miss the Haskell type-checker |
| 2024-04-09 02:57:54 +0000 | <Inst> | now, I'm not good enough (probably not for a few years) to implement a ML-style type-checker of my own via functions... i'm just really amused that with sufficient skill, you can take Haskell anywhere |
| 2024-04-09 02:58:57 +0000 | <Inst> | HM, rather |
| 2024-04-09 02:59:34 +0000 | <EvanR> | Syntax -> (Program -> a) -> (Issues -> a) -> a |
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| 2024-04-09 06:41:32 +0000 | <kishor> | asf |
| 2024-04-09 06:42:12 +0000 | <kishor> | Hey there! Anyone? |
| 2024-04-09 06:42:22 +0000 | echoreply | (~echoreply@45.32.163.16) |
| 2024-04-09 06:42:52 +0000 | <kishor> | Anyone? |
| 2024-04-09 06:43:21 +0000 | <kishor> | I have question which language to learn first haskell or c? |
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| 2024-04-09 06:44:41 +0000 | julie_pilgrim | (~julie_pil@user/julie-pilgrim/x-1240752) |
| 2024-04-09 06:45:06 +0000 | <c_wraith> | whichever you want or need to. |
| 2024-04-09 06:45:25 +0000 | <c_wraith> | There isn't some required order. |
| 2024-04-09 06:45:41 +0000 | <c_wraith> | Some people even learn python first! |
| 2024-04-09 06:45:46 +0000 | <danza> | given your question, learn rust which is somewhat in between the two |
| 2024-04-09 06:46:47 +0000 | <kishor> | i really love functional programming from what i heard? |
| 2024-04-09 06:47:22 +0000 | <c_wraith> | There's also no finish line |
| 2024-04-09 06:47:37 +0000 | <c_wraith> | You can start, stop, switch, or whatever as you like. |
| 2024-04-09 06:47:43 +0000 | <kishor> | But they say learn c so that you will be good with the basics about pointers and learn how other languages work in depth... |
| 2024-04-09 06:47:57 +0000 | <danza> | yeah i agree about that |
| 2024-04-09 06:48:11 +0000 | <kishor> | what languages y'all know? |
| 2024-04-09 06:48:17 +0000 | <danza> | (there would also be assembly but well) |
| 2024-04-09 06:48:31 +0000 | <kishor> | too low level bud.... |
| 2024-04-09 06:48:41 +0000 | <Axman6> | I'm not sure this is a particularly productive approach to learning... |
| 2024-04-09 06:48:50 +0000 | <Axman6> | C is too low level |
| 2024-04-09 06:48:53 +0000 | <Axman6> | C++ is too low level |
| 2024-04-09 06:49:02 +0000 | <Axman6> | Java is too low level |
| 2024-04-09 06:49:09 +0000 | <Axman6> | Haskell is too low level |
| 2024-04-09 06:49:16 +0000 | <Axman6> | Idris is too low level |
| 2024-04-09 06:49:27 +0000 | <Axman6> | but for what? |
| 2024-04-09 06:49:27 +0000 | <danza> | take a break Axman6 we got the ... concept |
| 2024-04-09 06:49:51 +0000 | <kishor> | What language y'all know.. |
| 2024-04-09 06:50:07 +0000 | <Axman6> | kishor: what software do you want to write? Your question is kind of like asking "which language should I learn?" it depends who you want to speak to |
| 2024-04-09 06:51:00 +0000 | <kishor> | I completed high school. learned c++ and python to a good level.. |
| 2024-04-09 06:51:35 +0000 | <danza> | then you already know pointers and object oriented enough, if variety is worth anything for you |
| 2024-04-09 06:52:06 +0000 | <kishor> | they don't teach pointers in c++ |
| 2024-04-09 06:52:27 +0000 | lortabac | (~lortabac@2a01:e0a:541:b8f0:55ab:e185:7f81:54a4) |
| 2024-04-09 06:52:27 +0000 | <danza> | huh maybe i forgot was using it long time ago |
| 2024-04-09 06:53:05 +0000 | <kishor> | That why i ask what programming language y'all use, so that i can get the perspective of y'all |
| 2024-04-09 06:53:42 +0000 | <kishor> | ... |
| 2024-04-09 06:53:57 +0000 | <danza> | not gonna work i am afraid. I don't know rust enough to know whether that would expose you to pointers enough ... but seriously one can learn that and a lot more from assembly |
| 2024-04-09 06:54:16 +0000 | <kishor> | any others... |
| 2024-04-09 06:54:31 +0000 | L29Ah | (~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2024-04-09 06:54:47 +0000 | <kishor> | anyone use haskell in production. |
| 2024-04-09 06:57:00 +0000 | <kishor> | no rep |
| 2024-04-09 06:57:37 +0000 | <kishor> | exit |
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| 2024-04-09 07:31:01 +0000 | <Axman6> | pSo while we're on the topic of other languages - I'm working in C++ at the moment, and looking for a nice way to get something like ExceptT Err (Writer [Warning]) a; I've got some processes which might exit with an error, or collect warnings. I could use exceptions for the warnings, but it would be nice to have relatively elegant code for collecting warnings |
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| 2024-04-09 07:34:18 +0000 | <Axman6> | I guess I could just pass in an object wrapping a vector<warning> and push them onto it |
| 2024-04-09 07:34:44 +0000 | <Axman6> | I want my programmable semi-colons dangit! |
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| 2024-04-09 08:08:10 +0000 | <lyxia> | Use effect handlers! https://github.com/maciejpirog/cpp-effects |
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| 2024-04-09 11:30:16 +0000 | <elbear> | hey. I'm trying to join the haskell discourse and I've been waiting for 5+ minutes for the activation mail. I also clicked resend and checked spam. anyone know if the systems are running properly? |
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| 2024-04-09 11:47:35 +0000 | <danse-nr3> | probie, i am not sure what did upset you yesterday, i did not mean to disrespect you was just not in the mood for arguing |
| 2024-04-09 11:49:22 +0000 | <Inst> | I guess it has nothing to do with SPJ, since he left for Epic, but Microsoft Office now has Scheme built in? |
| 2024-04-09 11:49:35 +0000 | <Inst> | And the professional version is apparently going to get Clojure! |
| 2024-04-09 11:50:50 +0000 | <Inst> | oh, it's a third party, i think? |
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| 2024-04-09 14:38:06 +0000 | zetef | (~quassel@95.77.17.251) |
| 2024-04-09 14:38:54 +0000 | <mcksp> | Hi! I'm using scotty and want to write some middlewarehttps://hackage.haskell.org/package/scotty-0.22/docs/Web-Scotty.html#v:middleware |
| 2024-04-09 14:38:55 +0000 | <mcksp> | which type is |
| 2024-04-09 14:38:55 +0000 | <mcksp> | Middleware -> ScottyM () |
| 2024-04-09 14:38:56 +0000 | <mcksp> | Middleware is Application -> Application |
| 2024-04-09 14:38:56 +0000 | <mcksp> | Application is Request -> (Response -> IO ResponseReceived) -> IO ResponseReceived |
| 2024-04-09 14:38:57 +0000 | <mcksp> | I have some functions written already that uses scotty functions that are all ActionM a type (ActionT ConfigM a to be precise, but probably it doesn't matter) |
| 2024-04-09 14:38:57 +0000 | <mcksp> | Also scotty itself has many helper functions that are more straightforward than WAI functions, i.e getting specific header. |
| 2024-04-09 14:38:58 +0000 | <mcksp> | So my question - am I forced to use only WAI functions in middleware, since those are IO a type, or can I somehow use ActionM a types there and cast it to IO. |
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| 2024-04-09 15:14:38 +0000 | <carbolymer> | there was a tool which was checking for dependencies which can be updated and printing a report |
| 2024-04-09 15:14:42 +0000 | <carbolymer> | but I forgot the name |
| 2024-04-09 15:14:45 +0000 | <carbolymer> | anyone remembers? |
| 2024-04-09 15:16:38 +0000 | <carbolymer> | I think I was looking for `cabal outdated` |
| 2024-04-09 15:19:04 +0000 | Eoco | (~ian@128.101.131.218) |
| 2024-04-09 15:21:11 +0000 | ski | (~ski@ext-1-033.eduroam.chalmers.se) |
| 2024-04-09 15:21:41 +0000 | elbear | (~lucian@79.118.150.93) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) |
| 2024-04-09 15:22:07 +0000 | <geekosaur> | there's several on hackage as well |
| 2024-04-09 15:24:28 +0000 | elbear | (~lucian@79.118.150.93) |
| 2024-04-09 15:25:17 +0000 | <janus> | are there any codebases consistently using 'do' instead of let-in? |
| 2024-04-09 15:26:00 +0000 | <janus> | carbolymer: maybe https://packdeps.haskellers.com/ |
| 2024-04-09 15:26:21 +0000 | Eoco | (~ian@128.101.131.218) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2024-04-09 15:26:30 +0000 | <carbolymer> | janus: this is only for hackage.haskell.org, right? |
| 2024-04-09 15:27:02 +0000 | <carbolymer> | janus: we have our own packages repo so I'm more interested in picking outdated version from there |
| 2024-04-09 15:28:18 +0000 | Eoco | (~ian@128.101.131.218) |
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| 2024-04-09 15:30:14 +0000 | igemnace | (~ian@user/igemnace) |
| 2024-04-09 15:31:03 +0000 | <janus> | carbolymer: the tool is open source, the repo is linked from the page i linked |
| 2024-04-09 15:31:16 +0000 | danse-nr3 | (~danse-nr3@fi-19-205-233.service.infuturo.it) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2024-04-09 15:31:39 +0000 | <haskellbridge> | <eldritchcookie> mcksp: unless ScottyM is MonadUnliftIO you are out of luck |
| 2024-04-09 15:31:42 +0000 | <carbolymer> | oh right, thanks I may take a alook |
| 2024-04-09 15:31:51 +0000 | <janus> | carbolymer: if you run your own hackage-server, i added a feature that makes hackage able to send email notifications when deps go out of bounds |
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| 2024-04-09 15:56:20 +0000 | <mauke> | eldritchcookie: what if you use scottyAppT recklessly? |
| 2024-04-09 15:58:42 +0000 | <jackdk> | `newtype ScottyT m a = ScottyT { runS :: ReaderT Options (State (ScottyState m)) a }` <- IIRC you can only make UnliftIO instances for IdentityT and ReaderT |
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| 2024-04-09 19:09:46 +0000 | <Inst_> | oh. my. god |
| 2024-04-09 19:09:57 +0000 | <Inst_> | i'm thankful for it all now |
| 2024-04-09 19:10:06 +0000 | <Inst_> | i'm working an algol-syntax language without currying |
| 2024-04-09 19:10:13 +0000 | <Inst_> | and "functional programming support |
| 2024-04-09 19:10:21 +0000 | <EvanR> | condolences |
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| 2024-04-09 19:11:34 +0000 | <juri_> | I've been writing C for the last few months. well, assembly-wrapped-in-c. |
| 2024-04-09 19:12:34 +0000 | <Inst_> | working julia, maybe more experienced hackers would explain to me how to do it |
| 2024-04-09 19:13:22 +0000 | <geekosaur> | wouldn't this be more appropriate for -offtopic? |
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| 2024-04-09 19:13:39 +0000 | <Inst_> | just saying, i'm appreciating Haskell more |
| 2024-04-09 19:14:15 +0000 | <Inst_> | oh, my dear >>>, I forgive you for having the wrong precedence now |
| 2024-04-09 19:16:44 +0000 | Inst_ | Inst |
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| 2024-04-09 19:30:30 +0000 | <ski> | "without currying" -- no first-class functions ? |
| 2024-04-09 19:32:49 +0000 | <Inst> | got it fixed, good ole lambda nesting |
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| 2024-04-09 22:53:24 +0000 | <energizer> | in this exercise https://i.imgur.com/nEoruJW.png what can "implement the expressions from the laws" mean |
| 2024-04-09 22:55:01 +0000 | random-jellyfish | (~developer@user/random-jellyfish) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) |
| 2024-04-09 22:56:00 +0000 | <geekosaur> | the laws are the bullet points; the expressions are contained within them |
| 2024-04-09 22:56:10 +0000 | <ski> | give values of this `data' type, that represents the expressions on both sides of the given laws |
| 2024-04-09 22:56:55 +0000 | <ski> | (i guess three's three expressions listed, for the neutral element and absorption laws) |
| 2024-04-09 22:57:10 +0000 | <energizer> | what does implement the expressions mean? |
| 2024-04-09 22:57:24 +0000 | <ski> | see what i just said above |
| 2024-04-09 22:57:58 +0000 | <energizer> | what you mean like `9`? |
| 2024-04-09 22:59:25 +0000 | sawilagar | (~sawilagar@user/sawilagar) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) |
| 2024-04-09 23:00:04 +0000 | <energizer> | i'm afraid i dont follow |
| 2024-04-09 23:02:07 +0000 | <ski> | e.g. in the law ⌜a ⋅ (b + c) = (a + b) ⋅ (a + c)⌝, the two expression sides would be ⌜a ⋅ (b + c)⌝ and ⌜(a + b) ⋅ (a + c)⌝, which you could represent as value of the type `SR v', for some type `v' of variables/parameters/unknowns/indeterminates (maybe `String') |
| 2024-04-09 23:03:06 +0000 | <ski> | er, that would be ⌜a ⋅ (b + c) = (a ⋅ b) + (a ⋅ c)⌝, resp the expressions ⌜a ⋅ (b + c)⌝ and ⌜(a ⋅ b) + (a ⋅ c)⌝ |
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| 2024-04-09 23:32:19 +0000 | <energizer> | ski: as in, i'm supposed to just give some examples of such expressions, like this? https://bpa.st/CLGA |
| 2024-04-09 23:40:52 +0000 | vnogueira_ | (~vnogueira@user/vnogueira) |
| 2024-04-09 23:41:10 +0000 | vnogueira | (~vnogueira@user/vnogueira) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2024-04-09 23:41:23 +0000 | <energizer> | like, i understand that and/or/t/f are mul/add/0/1 for the boolean semiring i just dont understand what implement means |
