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2024-03-22 00:44:38 +0100 | <pie_> | Axman6: thanks! |
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2024-03-22 03:05:53 +0100 | <dmj`> | jle`: o/ hmm, I don't think there's any general way to perform lowering for any (a :: k) in base (unless its like natVal / symbolVal, which have their own special lowering classes, which aren't general ofc). |
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2024-03-22 03:09:28 +0100 | <dmj`> | would like to be proved wrong tho |
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2024-03-22 04:56:51 +0100 | thalia | thaliaa |
2024-03-22 04:59:19 +0100 | <jle`> | dmj`: o/ thanks. maybe i feel like it should be possible in ghc in theory |
2024-03-22 04:59:48 +0100 | <jle`> | as in it could maybe be implemented |
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2024-03-22 05:07:36 +0100 | <jackdk> | What if you had a typelevel version of generics? |
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2024-03-22 12:30:05 +0100 | <ph88> | does deriving Show instances slow down code ? |
2024-03-22 12:32:58 +0100 | <int-e> | By what mechanism? I mean it'll slow down compilation; it may produce extra code so it can affect how code is cached... other than that, I don't think so? Unless you're comparing it to manually written Show instances I guess. |
2024-03-22 12:33:01 +0100 | <ski> | slow down which code ? |
2024-03-22 12:33:52 +0100 | <ph88> | other code in the program on runtime |
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2024-03-22 12:37:13 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | not in any obvious ways, but anything might affect anything else once you're concerned about cache effects |
2024-03-22 12:37:21 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | at which point basically your only option is "profile" |
2024-03-22 12:37:43 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | but that's also the point where changing anything anywhere might change anything because code alignment changes or whatever |
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2024-03-22 13:34:59 +0100 | germ | germtoo |
2024-03-22 13:35:44 +0100 | germtoo | germ |
2024-03-22 13:35:52 +0100 | germ | mipseb |
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2024-03-22 13:36:41 +0100 | germ | germtoo |
2024-03-22 13:55:22 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | I love that the interleaving you get when writing to a Handle from multiple threads is deterministic https://paste.tomsmeding.com/3TbWyDKD |
2024-03-22 14:00:27 +0100 | bitdex | (~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex) (Quit: = "") |
2024-03-22 14:10:22 +0100 | <ph88> | does anyone use the ghci debugger actually? i never found i could actually use it to get some practical debugging done and always resolve to Debug.Trace |
2024-03-22 14:11:19 +0100 | <int-e> | ph88: same here but I'm not sure whether it's an old habit that is good enough or an actual shortcoming of the ghci debugger |
2024-03-22 14:14:09 +0100 | <int-e> | I've never seriously tried to use the ghci debugger. Heck, I just had to look up that the command that shows partially evaluated values is :print. |
2024-03-22 14:15:34 +0100 | <sadie_> | i've used it a couple times to try and find non-terminating loops but i found that the profiling tools are way better at that |
2024-03-22 14:15:39 +0100 | <int-e> | (Which is the one feature I actually remember playing around with a few times because it's something that Debug.Trace cannot do at all.) |
2024-03-22 14:15:44 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | wasn't that :sprint |
2024-03-22 14:16:39 +0100 | <int-e> | tomsmeding: :sprint is like :print but less verbose? the s is "simplified" |
2024-03-22 14:16:46 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | oh |
2024-03-22 14:16:56 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | maybe that's why it never did what I wanted it to do? |
2024-03-22 14:16:57 +0100 | <int-e> | there's :force if you want to force a value and print it. |
2024-03-22 14:17:09 +0100 | tomsmeding | has never seriously tried to use this stuff |
2024-03-22 14:20:16 +0100 | <int-e> | I wouldn't know this if I hadn't just looked at the command list :) |
2024-03-22 14:21:17 +0100 | <ph88> | https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/issues/1906 |
2024-03-22 14:24:17 +0100 | <ph88> | https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/discussions/3042 https://github.com/phoityne/haskell-debug-adapter maybe i ought to try that see if the experience improves |
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2024-03-22 16:24:49 +0100 | <dmj`> | jle`: I bet you're right, at the very least there could be a generic deriving made to lower types that data kinds have lifted |
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2024-03-22 18:46:40 +0100 | <hololeap> | I'm trying to understand lazy pattern matching in IO. my intention for this block of code is that it will only run listDirectory when it matches 'e' as True: https://bpa.st/7NEQ |
2024-03-22 18:47:20 +0100 | <hololeap> | will this code behave the way I intend it to? |
2024-03-22 18:47:38 +0100 | <ncf> | no |
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2024-03-22 18:49:23 +0100 | <hololeap> | umm... why not? what's wrong here |
2024-03-22 18:49:53 +0100 | <mauke> | e is already "lazy"/irrefutable |
2024-03-22 18:50:01 +0100 | <mauke> | ~e is just e again |
2024-03-22 18:50:42 +0100 | <hololeap> | ok, so ~e should be changed to e and then it will behave the way I want it to? |
2024-03-22 18:50:44 +0100 | <mauke> | (for any variable e, such as cs) |
2024-03-22 18:50:48 +0100 | <mauke> | no |
2024-03-22 18:51:07 +0100 | <ncf> | if you want short-circuiting you should use a monadic boolean operator, like liftIO $ doesDirectoryExist d &&^ (notNull <$> listDirectory d) |
2024-03-22 18:51:14 +0100 | <mauke> | why do you think it would make a difference when I just told you ~e is the same as e? |
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2024-03-22 18:51:50 +0100 | <hololeap> | the crucial part is (for any variable e, such as cs), which you hadn't said yet... |
2024-03-22 18:52:14 +0100 | <mauke> | ? |
2024-03-22 18:52:41 +0100 | <hololeap> | ? |
2024-03-22 18:52:58 +0100 | <mauke> | I don't see how that's an answer to my question |
2024-03-22 18:53:19 +0100 | <hololeap> | this is getting rediculous |
2024-03-22 18:53:47 +0100 | <mauke> | anyway, the point is that ... <- listDirectory is what causes listDirectory to run, not anything happening to the result later |
2024-03-22 18:54:19 +0100 | <mauke> | there is evil magic that allows for this sort of "lazy I/O", but it's not related to pattern matching |
2024-03-22 18:54:20 +0100 | tromp | (~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) |
2024-03-22 18:54:46 +0100 | target_i | (~target_i@user/target-i/x-6023099) |
2024-03-22 18:56:47 +0100 | <mauke> | (also, it's "ridiculous", which is quite a silly word considering that it's Latin, and English uses the Germanic "laugh" for everything else) |
2024-03-22 18:57:05 +0100 | <hololeap> | omg the pedantry is off the charts here. I'm going to move to #haskell-beginners |
2024-03-22 18:59:45 +0100 | <mauke> | hololeap: even if you fix the control flow, that code has a race condition (TOC/TOU) |
2024-03-22 19:00:02 +0100 | notzmv | (~daniel@user/notzmv) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) |
2024-03-22 19:00:37 +0100 | <mauke> | I'd recommend doing listDirectory and catching isDoesNotExistError |
2024-03-22 19:00:54 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> or #haskell:matrix.org. But yes! It's r*i*diculous :) |
2024-03-22 19:01:16 +0100 | <int-e> | mauke: but if you worry about that you cannot use this whole function in any meaningful way |
2024-03-22 19:01:23 +0100 | <mauke> | oh, there is "risible", but no one says that |
2024-03-22 19:01:38 +0100 | <int-e> | (that I can think of) |
2024-03-22 19:01:47 +0100 | <ncf> | risible : ridiculous :: laughable : ? |
2024-03-22 19:01:57 +0100 | <ncf> | laughabulous |
2024-03-22 19:02:22 +0100 | <int-e> | because the function is itself a check which presumably is used under the assumption that the directory will continue to be non-empty later. |
2024-03-22 19:03:26 +0100 | <mauke> | blargh, why is the unix directory API so awful |
2024-03-22 19:03:42 +0100 | <int-e> | because of POSIX? |
2024-03-22 19:03:48 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> hysterical raisins |
2024-03-22 19:04:00 +0100 | <mauke> | no, POSIX is after the fact |
2024-03-22 19:04:33 +0100 | tromp | (~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) |
2024-03-22 19:05:29 +0100 | <mauke> | I'm talking about the unix API, not Haskell stuff specifically |
2024-03-22 19:05:38 +0100 | <int-e> | ah |
2024-03-22 19:05:56 +0100 | <int-e> | sorry, I thought it was the haskell package :) |
2024-03-22 19:06:11 +0100 | oo_miguel | (~Thunderbi@78-11-181-16.static.ip.netia.com.pl) (Quit: oo_miguel) |
2024-03-22 19:06:23 +0100 | <ncf> | hololeap: (you don't have to actually use (&&^), you can just inline its definition. exercise: write its definition) |
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2024-03-22 19:06:43 +0100 | <ncf> | (&&^) :: Monad m => m Bool -> m Bool -> m Bool |
2024-03-22 19:07:29 +0100 | <mauke> | what package is that from? |
2024-03-22 19:07:36 +0100 | <ncf> | like a dozen of them |
2024-03-22 19:07:49 +0100 | <mauke> | import 12 |
2024-03-22 19:08:02 +0100 | <int-e> | @hackage (&&^) |
2024-03-22 19:08:02 +0100 | <lambdabot> | https://hackage.haskell.org/package/(&&^) |
2024-03-22 19:08:09 +0100 | <int-e> | err |
2024-03-22 19:08:13 +0100 | <int-e> | @hoogle (&&^) |
2024-03-22 19:08:13 +0100 | <lambdabot> | Control.Monad.Extra (&&^) :: Monad m => m Bool -> m Bool -> m Bool |
2024-03-22 19:08:13 +0100 | <lambdabot> | Extra (&&^) :: Monad m => m Bool -> m Bool -> m Bool |
2024-03-22 19:08:13 +0100 | <lambdabot> | Protolude (&&^) :: Monad m => m Bool -> m Bool -> m Bool |
2024-03-22 19:08:14 +0100 | <mauke> | haha |
2024-03-22 19:09:07 +0100 | <mauke> | do you happen to know how readdir() is supposed to behave in the presence of a concurrent process modifying the directory? |
2024-03-22 19:09:09 +0100 | <ncf> | it goes by other names too: and2M |
2024-03-22 19:09:50 +0100 | <int-e> | @hackage extra |
2024-03-22 19:09:50 +0100 | <lambdabot> | https://hackage.haskell.org/package/extra |
2024-03-22 19:09:53 +0100 | <int-e> | (found one of them) |
2024-03-22 19:09:59 +0100 | <ncf> | i wonder what an appropriate generalisation of this would be. perhaps over an arbitrary semiring? |
2024-03-22 19:10:47 +0100 | euleritian | (~euleritia@ip4d16fc38.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
2024-03-22 19:10:49 +0100 | <ncf> | or monoid-with-left-annihilator, whatever that's called |
2024-03-22 19:10:58 +0100 | euleritian | (~euleritia@77.22.252.56) |
2024-03-22 19:13:22 +0100 | <ncf> | found more names: andLazy, (<&&>) |
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2024-03-22 19:13:43 +0100 | <ncf> | (&&&), (<&=>) |
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2024-03-22 22:09:19 +0100 | <shapr> | Wow, I just spent days finding this bug |
2024-03-22 22:09:40 +0100 | <shapr> | As far as I can tell, one of the `shrink` definitions is return the same value, claiming it's a shrunk value |
2024-03-22 22:10:08 +0100 | <shapr> | also as far as I can tell, Test.Hspec.QuickCheck does not have a default value for max shrinks |
2024-03-22 22:10:39 +0100 | <shapr> | combined, that means any failing case would spin forever and never return |
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2024-03-22 22:12:08 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> ouch |
2024-03-22 22:12:28 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> shouldn't the test framework detect that |
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2024-03-22 22:12:56 +0100 | <shapr> | I don't know, should it? |
2024-03-22 22:13:25 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> if it can, I think it should. Sounds like it doesn't! |
2024-03-22 22:14:00 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> and/or it should have some hard limit |
2024-03-22 22:14:15 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> and/or it should have some upper limit |
2024-03-22 22:14:47 +0100 | <shapr> | If there isn't already a default value for maxShrinks in Test.Hspec.QuickCheck, I will put up a pull request to create one |
2024-03-22 22:15:25 +0100 | <shapr> | Another fix could a shrink wrapper that checks for previously return values? |
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2024-03-22 22:16:02 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> yeah, you'd think it could compare previous and next value |
2024-03-22 22:16:24 +0100 | <shapr> | that wouldn't find a cycle, but it would catch the simplest case |
2024-03-22 22:17:03 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> ah, true |
2024-03-22 22:30:29 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | Arbitrary doesn't have Eq as a superclass |
2024-03-22 22:32:27 +0100 | <glguy> | shapr: which shrink default implementation does that? |
2024-03-22 22:32:57 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | QuickCheck has Args.maxShrinks |
2024-03-22 22:34:06 +0100 | <shapr> | glguy: pretty sure it's one of the hand written shrink definitions in this library |
2024-03-22 22:34:14 +0100 | <shapr> | aka, it's likely my own fault |
2024-03-22 22:35:07 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | shapr: and the default value for maxShrinks is maxBound :: Int |
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2024-03-22 22:38:37 +0100 | <shapr> | ohhh |
2024-03-22 22:38:52 +0100 | <shapr> | tomsmeding: is that from hspec or quickcheck? |
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2024-03-22 22:48:29 +0100 | <shapr> | tomsmeding: aha I found it https://github.com/nick8325/quickcheck/blob/master/src/Test/QuickCheck/Test.hs#L172 |
2024-03-22 22:55:10 +0100 | <shapr> | so if I'd waited for (maxBound :: Int) shrinks, I would have seen the problem. |
2024-03-22 22:55:14 +0100 | <shapr> | > maxBound :: Int |
2024-03-22 22:55:15 +0100 | <lambdabot> | 9223372036854775807 |
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2024-03-22 22:57:09 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> how long would that have taken |
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2024-03-22 22:59:35 +0100 | <shapr> | too long |
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2024-03-22 23:37:20 +0100 | <shapr> | I think the moral of this story is to set maxShrinks to a human reasonable value by default. |
2024-03-22 23:37:34 +0100 | <shapr> | Or maybe wrap every QuickCheck test in a timeout? |
2024-03-22 23:38:20 +0100 | <glguy> | Maybe we should lower the value of maxBound :: Int to something more manageable |
2024-03-22 23:38:55 +0100 | <shapr> | That's the enterprise approach |
2024-03-22 23:39:02 +0100 | <shapr> | Do you work for a startup? :-D |
2024-03-22 23:39:21 +0100 | <shapr> | @remember glguy Maybe we should lower the value of maxBound :: Int to something more manageable |
2024-03-22 23:39:22 +0100 | <lambdabot> | Done. |
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2024-03-22 23:39:48 +0100 | <glguy> | we're turning 25 soon, so probably too old to be a proper up-start |
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2024-03-22 23:40:43 +0100 | <shapr> | too bad |
2024-03-22 23:41:19 +0100 | <shapr> | glguy: but seriously, any thoughts on this problem? |
2024-03-22 23:42:18 +0100 | <glguy> | I suspect that the QuickCheck authors are using maxBound as a stand-in for infinity and if you want earlier termination you're supposed to explicitly call for a smaller bound |
2024-03-22 23:43:39 +0100 | <shapr> | I'd believe that. |
2024-03-22 23:44:26 +0100 | <glguy> | I don't use quickcheck generally, so I don't have a strong opinion on the topic. It seems like a mistake if this library has a situation where: exists x. x `elem` shrink x |
2024-03-22 23:45:09 +0100 | <glguy> | > A final gotcha: we cannot define shrink as simply shrink x = Nil:genericShrink x as this shrinks Nil to Nil, and shrinking will go into an infinite loop. |
2024-03-22 23:45:10 +0100 | <lambdabot> | <hint>:1:60: error: parse error on input ‘=’ |
2024-03-22 23:45:44 +0100 | <glguy> | the haddocks don't seem to actually explain the requirements of shrinking, but that example seems to preclude returning yourself |
2024-03-22 23:45:57 +0100 | <shapr> | good find |
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2024-03-22 23:52:51 +0100 | <ph88> | when i have a Data.Map with a key newtype Foo = Foo Int can i expect speed ups when getting rid of that newtype and using IntMap instead ? |
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2024-03-22 23:57:49 +0100 | <monochrom> | I think some benchmarks say yes and some benchmarks say no. :) |