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2024-03-08 13:29:53 +0000 <haskellbridge> <e​ldritchcookie> say what do i need to do if a want to become the maintainer of a abandoned package?
2024-03-08 13:31:38 +0000 <byorgey> here are the guidelines for that process: https://wiki.haskell.org/Taking_over_a_package
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2024-03-08 13:46:44 +0000 <haskellbridge> <e​ldritchcookie> thanks
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2024-03-08 13:59:29 +0000 <haskellbridge> <e​ldritchcookie> hm
2024-03-08 14:02:08 +0000 <haskellbridge> <e​ldritchcookie> i could easily make a test for my package with nix or i could import the ghc package in the test suite and suffer through compiler internals and make my test flaky
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2024-03-08 16:16:49 +0000 <haskellbridge> <v​aibhavsagar> how does nix save you from needing to import the ghc package?
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2024-03-08 16:39:30 +0000 <ph88> Can anyone help me with this issue ? https://github.com/haskell-effectful/effectful/discussions/205
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2024-03-08 17:33:32 +0000 <haskellbridge> <e​ldritchcookie> simple i then can use ghc from the commandline this is obviously kinda of a hack but whatever
2024-03-08 17:37:58 +0000 <raehik> in GHC.Exts, why does copyAddrToAddr return a `State# RealWorld`, while all other Addr#<->ByteArray# copy primops return a `State# d`?
2024-03-08 17:39:13 +0000 <raehik> I suppose I'm most confused by `copyMutableByteArrayToAddr# :: ... -> State# d`
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2024-03-08 18:04:11 +0000 <tomsmeding> raehik: no answer, but they were introduced in this commit, it seems https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/commit/9095e297fbb46781fd182210609ce2a3f6c59b7a
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2024-03-08 18:07:40 +0000 <raehik> tomsmeding: yeah I just realized they were new. Only just wrapping my head around ST and IO and that RealWorld forced me to de-generalize a bit of code
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2024-03-08 18:08:14 +0000 <raehik> but fairly happy that it has to be that way. and now I have some 9.6 wrappers in prep for those primops (when 9.8 works for me)
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2024-03-08 18:20:47 +0000 <raehik> Wait, I figured it out in a way. the primop is replacing some other wonky code which needs to touch# after copying due to working on non-GCed data
2024-03-08 18:21:35 +0000 <raehik> don't need to touch# going the other ways. except copyAddrToByteArray# but idk
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2024-03-08 18:24:18 +0000 <raehik> (pfft well touch# has had its type changed between GHC 9.6 and 9.8 too. ignore me)
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2024-03-08 18:53:31 +0000 <ph88> good job raehik !
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2024-03-08 20:06:12 +0000 <mechap> can we describe any recursion schemes with catamorphisms ?
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2024-03-08 20:27:16 +0000 <monochrom> No.
2024-03-08 20:28:48 +0000 <dolio> You can describe catamorphisms with catamorphisms.
2024-03-08 20:29:10 +0000 <monochrom> :)
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2024-03-08 20:38:56 +0000 <dolio> The lesson is, don't use the word "any."
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2024-03-08 20:41:43 +0000 <int-e> :t \f -> foldr ((||) . f) False
2024-03-08 20:41:44 +0000 <lambdabot> Foldable t => (a -> Bool) -> t a -> Bool
2024-03-08 20:42:21 +0000 <int-e> any (implemented with) catamorphism
2024-03-08 20:42:58 +0000 <monochrom> :)
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2024-03-08 21:15:13 +0000 <monochrom> class Semigroup (Aug v) => Augable v where { type Aug v; aug :: v -> Aug v } -- the class constraint can be a forward reference (even inward reference) heh
2024-03-08 21:16:22 +0000 <monochrom> (I am implementing "augmented binary search trees" in general. I noticed that all augmentation schemes are backed by semigroups...)
2024-03-08 21:16:33 +0000 <tomsmeding> yeah I've written code like that before, it feels a bit weird :p
2024-03-08 21:16:47 +0000 <tomsmeding> can be really nice for type inference
2024-03-08 21:16:54 +0000 <monochrom> (So basically data BST k v = Node k v (Aug v) ...)
2024-03-08 21:18:43 +0000 <tomsmeding> there's also this other trick where you take 'class C a', ('instance (...) => C T')* and turn it into 'type family D a; class D a => C a', ('type instance D T = (...); instance (...) => C T')*
2024-03-08 21:19:10 +0000 <tomsmeding> the point being that now not only do you get 'C T' from (...), you also get (...) from 'C T'
2024-03-08 21:19:35 +0000 <tomsmeding> I've needed this _once_
2024-03-08 21:19:59 +0000tomsmedingnow wonders if D can be an associated type family to C
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2024-03-08 21:48:38 +0000 <byorgey> monochrom: indeed, reminds me of the 'Measured' class from the finger tree paper
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2024-03-08 21:52:11 +0000 <EvanR> if anyone was ironically interesting in NeoHaskell I have good news. Someone already did the work to produce NeoHaskell, i.e. "a language like haskell but missing a bunch of stuff that someone considered to be too difficult". it's name is gleam
2024-03-08 21:52:39 +0000 <EvanR> difference is this language is real
2024-03-08 21:53:30 +0000 <probie> Is that the one which runs on BEAM?
2024-03-08 21:53:45 +0000 <EvanR> yes
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2024-03-08 21:59:02 +0000 <tomsmeding> EvanR: can it do the things monochrom and I were mentioning :p
2024-03-08 21:59:28 +0000 <int-e> does it shimmer in the dark
2024-03-08 21:59:30 +0000 <tomsmeding> can I even be a wannabe Agda programmer
2024-03-08 21:59:41 +0000 <int-e> tomsmeding: yes you can
2024-03-08 21:59:48 +0000 <tomsmeding> in gleam, that is
2024-03-08 21:59:58 +0000 <int-e> All you have to do is to want to be an Agda programmer.
2024-03-08 22:00:02 +0000 <tomsmeding> :D
2024-03-08 22:00:28 +0000 <EvanR> it doesn't have type classes
2024-03-08 22:00:37 +0000 <tomsmeding> O.O
2024-03-08 22:00:50 +0000 <int-e> Lazy ML without modules?
2024-03-08 22:00:52 +0000 <EvanR> it has a justification for why not in the FAQ
2024-03-08 22:00:55 +0000 <tomsmeding> I was expecting it to give up around type families or so
2024-03-08 22:01:12 +0000 <int-e> Or maybe it's not lazy either... because laziness is also complicated.
2024-03-08 22:01:14 +0000 <Rembane> tomsmeding: Try Purescript for the "I can't believe it's not Haskell"-feeling.
2024-03-08 22:01:24 +0000 <ph88> what is the general opinion of the singletons library ?
2024-03-08 22:01:28 +0000 <Rembane> IIRC gleam is eager
2024-03-08 22:02:02 +0000 <tomsmeding> I write so little code that depends on laziness that I don't even care much about eager evaluation
2024-03-08 22:02:11 +0000 <EvanR> are you sure? xD
2024-03-08 22:02:16 +0000 <tomsmeding> no xD
2024-03-08 22:02:26 +0000 <tomsmeding> well mostly
2024-03-08 22:02:37 +0000 <int-e> in Haskell, short-circuiting || and && rely on laziness
2024-03-08 22:02:39 +0000 <EvanR> I tried to write some code in idris and realized I need to reconfigure my brain
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2024-03-08 22:02:52 +0000 <EvanR> unless I want things to be dirt slow
2024-03-08 22:02:57 +0000 <tomsmeding> ph88: I tend to write my own singleton GADTs manually and eschew the general framework from the library
2024-03-08 22:03:07 +0000 <int-e> And there's the ubiquitous use of `where` that would have awkward semantics without laziness
2024-03-08 22:03:53 +0000 <EvanR> like, accumulating parameters are serious and seriously necessary without laziness
2024-03-08 22:04:03 +0000 <tomsmeding> the 'where' thing is only for non-functions, and even then writing stuff without the intent to use it in all branches always felt weird to me
2024-03-08 22:04:06 +0000 <EvanR> and they get old xD
2024-03-08 22:04:08 +0000 <tomsmeding> the && and || thing is real though
2024-03-08 22:04:12 +0000 <ph88> quite an invasive library as it looks like
2024-03-08 22:04:32 +0000tomsmedingadmits to never having used the singletons library
2024-03-08 22:04:51 +0000 <EvanR> maybe you embrace eagerness more often than not in your haskell code
2024-03-08 22:05:04 +0000 <tomsmeding> EvanR: example of annoying accumulating parameters?
2024-03-08 22:05:08 +0000 <EvanR> using the default lazy behavior selectively
2024-03-08 22:05:45 +0000 <EvanR> example, function to compute the length of a list
2024-03-08 22:06:00 +0000 <tomsmeding> oh right, no tail recursion you mean
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2024-03-08 22:06:14 +0000 <EvanR> or equivalently the value of a Nat as a machine int
2024-03-08 22:07:05 +0000 <EvanR> ... er no you need tail recursion to write the function, but you need an accumulating parameter to store the intermediate sum
2024-03-08 22:08:09 +0000 <EvanR> bad example because we do this in haskell anyway, with foldl'
2024-03-08 22:08:41 +0000 <tomsmeding> I mean, you could write it without the accumulating parameter too (i.e. exactly as you'd write the naive recursive function in haskell), but it wouldn't be tail recursive
2024-03-08 22:09:15 +0000 <tomsmeding> length [] = 0 ; length (x : xs) = 1 + length xs
2024-03-08 22:09:53 +0000 <EvanR> try writing like any list function
2024-03-08 22:09:59 +0000 <EvanR> it's gross xD
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2024-03-08 22:10:41 +0000 <tomsmeding> doesn't the compiler fix some of the missing tail recursion for you
2024-03-08 22:11:08 +0000 <EvanR> I'm not sure what they would even mean
2024-03-08 22:11:11 +0000 <EvanR> that
2024-03-08 22:11:31 +0000 <tomsmeding> automatically introduce an accumulating parameter for you, making the function tail-recursive
2024-03-08 22:11:37 +0000 <tomsmeding> but that's probably hard in general
2024-03-08 22:11:51 +0000 <EvanR> not at all, back when I was doing idris
2024-03-08 22:11:58 +0000 <tomsmeding> even for 'length' it depends on (+) on Int being associative
2024-03-08 22:11:58 +0000 <EvanR> what you write is what you get for the most part
2024-03-08 22:12:26 +0000 <EvanR> eager is as eager does
2024-03-08 22:12:31 +0000 <int-e> I don't think it does... some libraries might accomplish this for their own functions through rewrite rules.
2024-03-08 22:13:01 +0000 <int-e> (including the build/foldr fusion business in base)
2024-03-08 22:13:08 +0000 <EvanR> the point of eager is so you don't have to guess or hope what the optimizer is going to do
2024-03-08 22:13:21 +0000 <EvanR> and then not write your code is a non obvious way
2024-03-08 22:13:32 +0000 <EvanR> blaw
2024-03-08 22:13:47 +0000 <int-e> what the compiler may accomplish through strictness analysis is turning a foldl into a foldl'
2024-03-08 22:13:55 +0000 <int-e> /may/
2024-03-08 22:18:00 +0000 <ph88> does it unroll loops? then you need an accumulator no?
2024-03-08 22:18:29 +0000 <EvanR> what loops lol
2024-03-08 22:22:33 +0000 <int-e> ph88: Unrolling would be inlining one or several recursive calls... it's conceivable that GHC does that sometimes, I don't know.
2024-03-08 22:23:19 +0000Feuermagier(~Feuermagi@user/feuermagier)
2024-03-08 22:23:23 +0000 <int-e> And I guess when a tail recursive function is finally transformed to LLVM code (if that's the backend you use) it'll become a loop that LLVM might unroll.
2024-03-08 22:23:30 +0000 <int-e> Lots of speculation in that one.
2024-03-08 22:23:54 +0000 <geekosaur> llvm generally doesn't understand ghc's code because it's been cpsed
2024-03-08 22:24:39 +0000 <int-e> I mean this is assuming that we have a fragment without any allocation or evaluation of unknown thunks. It would almost always be tiny.
2024-03-08 22:25:35 +0000 <tomsmeding> that may not even hold for 'length', the list being lazy and potentially thunky
2024-03-08 22:25:50 +0000 <int-e> Right, it wouldn't hold for length
2024-03-08 22:26:01 +0000 <tomsmeding> in which case it holds for basically nothing in practice
2024-03-08 22:26:01 +0000 <int-e> It might work for something like summing an unboxed vector.
2024-03-08 22:26:10 +0000 <geekosaur> eh? unless the list itself is a thunk, it won't matter
2024-03-08 22:26:14 +0000 <tomsmeding> right, there might be some bytestring internals
2024-03-08 22:26:26 +0000 <tomsmeding> geekosaur: the tail of the list might be a thunk, how can ghc know
2024-03-08 22:26:42 +0000 <tomsmeding> and hence how can the generated code know
2024-03-08 22:30:35 +0000 <int-e> An example of "unrolling" by inlining one recursive call (and some simplification relying on associativity so it'll depend on the concrete type) would be: length (_:_:xs) = 2 + length xs; length (_:xs) = 1 + length xs; length _ = 0
2024-03-08 22:31:06 +0000 <int-e> And I don't know whether ghc ever does this.
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2024-03-08 22:39:27 +0000 <ph88> int-e, can't we just stick that in godbolt and have a look ?
2024-03-08 22:39:28 +0000notzmv(~daniel@user/notzmv)
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2024-03-08 22:41:01 +0000 <int-e> feel free to try
2024-03-08 22:41:04 +0000 <geekosaur> or play.haskell.org
2024-03-08 22:43:03 +0000 <[Leary]> iirc ghc identifies loop-breakers refuses to inline them
2024-03-08 22:43:05 +0000 <int-e> (My expectation is that ghc does none of the above... but I don't know enough about its internals to be sure. In this case, I don't know how strictly it enforces not inlining "loop breakers".)
2024-03-08 22:43:14 +0000 <[Leary]> and*
2024-03-08 22:43:38 +0000darkling(~darkling@2001:ba8:1f1:f0e6::2) (Summoning his cosmic powers, and glowing slightly from his toes...)
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2024-03-08 22:52:05 +0000 <ph88> reading the assembly is not east :|
2024-03-08 22:53:26 +0000 <monochrom> When I want to read GHC-generated assembly, I also ask it to generate core and cmm. Then it is easier to follow.
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2024-03-08 23:12:04 +0000 <monochrom> The name lookup is used up by Prelude in GHC 9.4.* :(
2024-03-08 23:12:48 +0000 <monochrom> Hrm maybe it has been there longer.
2024-03-08 23:15:27 +0000 <geekosaur> https://downloads.haskell.org/ghc/6.6.1/docs/html/libraries/base/Prelude.html#v%3Alookup
2024-03-08 23:16:06 +0000 <int-e> gah, "name lookup" is a technical term of its own... failed to parse
2024-03-08 23:17:29 +0000 <int-e> monochrom: it's in the Haskell 98 report Prelude as part of PreludeList
2024-03-08 23:17:40 +0000 <int-e> So "forever".
2024-03-08 23:17:57 +0000 <monochrom> :(
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2024-03-08 23:28:42 +0000 <ph88> is there some ghc version that doesn't require you to list mtl as a separate package ?
2024-03-08 23:29:30 +0000bitdex(~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex)
2024-03-08 23:29:48 +0000 <geekosaur> 5.x maybe
2024-03-08 23:30:11 +0000 <ph88> wow that's old
2024-03-08 23:31:16 +0000 <ph88> when i have -Weverything -Wno-incomplete-uni-patterns why does it still complain about incomplete-uni-patterns ?
2024-03-08 23:33:10 +0000 <glguy> ph88: I'd guess you have another flag after that that turns them back on
2024-03-08 23:33:26 +0000 <glguy> or that the order you wrote here isn't the order you wrote them to the compiler
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2024-03-08 23:33:42 +0000 <EvanR> you have to lookup the name name lookup
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2024-03-08 23:37:23 +0000 <ph88> glguy, i have it like this https://bpa.st/GC5Q building with stack build
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2024-03-08 23:50:46 +0000 <geekosaur> did you forget to add it to the executable stanza?
2024-03-08 23:51:31 +0000 <geekosaur> cf. line 18
2024-03-08 23:51:50 +0000 <geekosaur> also perhaps you have things set up wrong such that it's rebuilding the library as part of the executable
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2024-03-08 23:52:18 +0000 <geekosaur> (commonly this means you tried to use the same surce directory for both)
2024-03-08 23:52:25 +0000 <geekosaur> *source
2024-03-08 23:55:38 +0000 <geekosaur> sorry, I meant line 18 of the build log, which shows it configuring and building the executable after building the library
2024-03-08 23:55:50 +0000 <renpose> Is there a way to unzip(ish) a HKD record generically: When I have `Record mode = { v :: mode :- T, ... }` and I have modes for `T` (Value), `IO T` (Fetch), and `T -> IO ()` (Store) and a combined mode `(IO T, T -> IO T)` (Loc). Given types in combined mode can I split them? So a generic function `Record Loc -> (Record Fetch, Record Store)`?
2024-03-08 23:57:03 +0000 <renpose> Excuse formatting, I have a readable, cleaned up, commented and minimal example: https://pastebin.com/CThDgD2E
2024-03-08 23:57:56 +0000 <renpose> I can generate the combined record, but struggle with the `K1` case for the split version. Surely this is some kind of pattern that has occurred somewhere and I just don't know it?