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2024-03-02 03:29:05 +0100 <Guest|96> hi
2024-03-02 03:29:50 +0100 <EvanR> hi
2024-03-02 03:30:43 +0100 <Guest|96> "ghcup --metadata-fetching-mode=Strict --cache install ghc recommended" failed!
2024-03-02 03:30:53 +0100 <Guest|96> anyone know how to solve this?
2024-03-02 03:32:23 +0100 <Guest|96> O:3 O:3
2024-03-02 03:32:39 +0100 <nitrix> Given the information provided, I'd say it'd probably work better if instead of failing it didn't.
2024-03-02 03:33:50 +0100tri(~tri@ool-18bc2e74.dyn.optonline.net)
2024-03-02 03:34:07 +0100 <geekosaur> are you perhaps behind a firewall?
2024-03-02 03:34:33 +0100 <geekosaur> I would expect there is more information you aren't showing us
2024-03-02 03:34:37 +0100 <geekosaur> @where paste
2024-03-02 03:34:37 +0100 <lambdabot> Help us help you: please paste full code, input and/or output at e.g. https://paste.tomsmeding.com
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2024-03-02 05:15:13 +0100 <haskellbridge> <m​aerwald> I can adjust the IRC chat link so that their nicknames will show the platform they're on xD
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2024-03-02 06:41:29 +0100 <monochrom> Hahaha so we will be getting "<Winblows-loser-951> Hi ghcup has failed, what should I do?"
2024-03-02 06:42:02 +0100 <lisbeths> We've got a community of 12 people in #lambdacalculus now. if you like any variation of lambda calculus consider joining.
2024-03-02 06:43:00 +0100 <monochrom> (Don't worry, the other possibilities are Linsux, Slowaris, FragmentedBSD. >:) )
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2024-03-02 06:59:49 +0100 <haskellbridge> <m​aerwald> Supporting FreeBSD is work.
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2024-03-02 07:54:50 +0100 <c_wraith> Hmm. Should Data.Set (and Data.IntSet) provide operators for use with -XQualifiedDo?
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2024-03-02 10:24:06 +0100 <[exa]> c_wraith: what would be the usecase? pasting sets together nicely? or something like ListT but actually SetT ?
2024-03-02 10:25:32 +0100 <c_wraith> More narrow than that. It'd just let you sort of pretend sets are monads. It's a lot like the List instance, but automatically removes duplicates.
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2024-03-02 10:37:13 +0100 <[exa]> interesting, it would kinda imply strictness right? so maybe useful as a BFS-ish counterpart to DFS-ish ListT
2024-03-02 10:39:46 +0100 <c_wraith> some sort of strictness, anyway. Once you do anything to cause demand for the evaluation of the result, it would force pretty much everything.
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2024-03-02 12:03:12 +0100 <danza> huh i just updated cabal packages and now my `runhaskell` fails writing i ought to set package base, which fails writing `main` cannot be found ...
2024-03-02 12:04:18 +0100 <danza> did not expect package updates to be that disruptive
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2024-03-02 12:05:55 +0100 <danza> but maybe this happens because i also installed a package with --lib and that created one of those troublesome environments, thinking about it
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2024-03-02 12:26:22 +0100 <haskellbridge> <i​rregularsphere> monochrom: "(Don't worry, the other possibilities are Linsux, Slowaris, FragmentedBSD. >:) )" so you're a mac user?
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2024-03-02 12:27:01 +0100 <probie> isn't mac just another flavour of FragmentedBSD?
2024-03-02 12:27:56 +0100 <haskellbridge> <i​rregularsphere> by that logic Linsux is another flavour of FragmentedBSD
2024-03-02 12:28:58 +0100 <Rembane> Everything is BSD!
2024-03-02 12:30:11 +0100 <probie> Linux doesn't derive from BSD
2024-03-02 12:30:37 +0100 <probie> macOS is genuinely a BSD
2024-03-02 12:30:47 +0100 <haskellbridge> <i​rregularsphere> damn
2024-03-02 12:30:56 +0100 <haskellbridge> <i​rregularsphere> never knew about that fact
2024-03-02 12:31:19 +0100 <haskellbridge> <i​rregularsphere> ...oh right there's a reason why there's a lot of *-BSD
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2024-03-02 14:37:18 +0100 <dmj`> Is anyone aware of a simplified OutsideIn(X) implementation that doesn't include type families nor GADTs, just type classes
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2024-03-02 18:42:31 +0100 <monochrom> (Belated) Yeah I forgot WackOS >:)
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2024-03-02 20:23:48 +0100 <SrPx> if I want to run a newly generated Haskell file as fast as possible, what are my options? assume the file takes <1s to run. obviously GHC -O2 is the fastest way to run Haskell in general, but since this is a brand new file, the compilation time must be taken in account. so, among the options to run a haskell file with little startup time / no compilation, which is the fastest?
2024-03-02 20:25:17 +0100 <int-e> runghc may do the trick
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2024-03-02 20:32:41 +0100 <SrPx> okay ty
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2024-03-02 20:42:10 +0100 <haskellbridge> <s​m> runghc and compile it in the background for next time ?
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2024-03-02 20:42:41 +0100 <haskellbridge> <s​m> best to test
2024-03-02 20:43:38 +0100 <geekosaur> there's actually not a way to run haskell without compiling it (barring Hugs). runghc compiles without optimization (very fast) to bytecode
2024-03-02 20:44:09 +0100L29Ah(~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah) ()
2024-03-02 20:45:13 +0100 <haskellbridge> <s​m> microhs could be another option
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2024-03-02 21:10:52 +0100 <SrPx> geekosaur: ah, I didn't know
2024-03-02 21:11:00 +0100 <SrPx> so no jit either I guess
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2024-03-02 21:13:24 +0100 <geekosaur> the bytecode backend doesn't get a lot of love, sadly
2024-03-02 21:13:45 +0100 <geekosaur> it's taken a couple decades for someone to fix the unboxed tuple bug
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2024-03-02 21:15:59 +0100 <SrPx> which is that?
2024-03-02 21:17:32 +0100 <geekosaur> the bytecode backend couldn't tell the difference between boxed and unboxed tuples, so if you used an unboxed tuple it would dump core. (IO/ST avoids this by codegen seeing one element of the tuple has no runtime representation and removing it)
2024-03-02 21:18:27 +0100 <geekosaur> since one of the earliest optimizations unboxes tuples, that meant optimization was disabled with the bytecode backend
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2024-03-02 21:19:27 +0100 <geekosaur> ghc 9.8.1 has the fix but it's still experimental so you need to pass an extra parameter to enable optimization in bytecode mode (-fno-unoptimized-core-for-interpreter)
2024-03-02 21:21:00 +0100 <hololeap> oh, that's why it runghc won't let you use -O1
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2024-03-02 21:21:15 +0100 <geekosaur> yep
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2024-03-02 21:34:49 +0100 <geekosaur> fwiw I think https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/issues/1257 is the original ticket. the original determination was WONTFIX, but then unboxed sums came around and they realized they needed to do something about it after all
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2024-03-02 22:23:24 +0100 <[exa]> dmj`: I wish I had one. :D
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2024-03-02 22:49:44 +0100 <[exa]> dmj`: this won't do? https://github.com/coord-e/impl-outsidein
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2024-03-02 23:19:59 +0100 <[exa]> dmj`: (they have the typeclasses module in the `main`
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