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| 2024-02-24 07:22:52 +0000 | fraznel | (~fuag1@c-73-221-56-19.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 2024-02-24 07:26:30 +0000 | <fraznel> | Hey all, I'm just finishing up reading chris okasaki's paper on purely functional data structures which uses ML. after reading about it I went to look up a Haskell version of real time queues and found this https://www.well-typed.com/blog/2016/01/efficient-queues/ |
| 2024-02-24 07:27:12 +0000 | <fraznel> | in the paper the real time queue keeps a "schedule" of thunks that happens to start at the same thunk as the start of the queue and forces that schedule when it needs to but this implementation uses a lazy st monad with io refs |
| 2024-02-24 07:27:45 +0000 | <fraznel> | is there a good reason in general to prefer monadic versions in haskell or.. why go for a monadic version here. Does haskell amortize thunks differently |
| 2024-02-24 07:28:18 +0000 | <fraznel> | for example, if i put the same list thunk in a data in two places then force one of them, is the other now memoized up to where the second was |
| 2024-02-24 07:28:51 +0000 | <fraznel> | i'm trying to reason about why they would go with a monadic implementation when it's not needed. The way the schedule works I suppose is monadic, but it seems like an extra restriction that is kinda clunky to work with |
| 2024-02-24 07:29:41 +0000 | <fraznel> | s/io refs/stref + unsafeInterleaveST |
| 2024-02-24 07:33:06 +0000 | stiell | (~stiell@gateway/tor-sasl/stiell) |
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| 2024-02-24 07:43:36 +0000 | tromp | (~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) |
| 2024-02-24 07:46:22 +0000 | <c_wraith> | fraznel: I remember that article. a key phrase from it is "This is where we diverge from Okasaki" |
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| 2024-02-24 07:52:42 +0000 | <fraznel> | aye, i'm trying to play around with ghci to better understand how haskell amortizes thunks but I'm not having much luck with :print, :force or seq. There's something i don't follow in the docs about forcing a viewing thunks there but i'm trying to figure out what this means https://play.haskell.org/saved/VZDMWWOR |
| 2024-02-24 07:53:28 +0000 | <fraznel> | I would expect a to be [1,2]:3:[] but I cant find any docs that say that is the case and I'm still fumbling figuring out a way to check in ghci |
| 2024-02-24 07:53:55 +0000 | <fraznel> | er, a to be a [1,2]:3:[] after the end of the program |
| 2024-02-24 07:54:34 +0000 | <mauke> | [1,2]:3 looks a lot like a type error |
| 2024-02-24 07:54:37 +0000 | <fraznel> | oh, seq will force everything i think if i'm understanding it right so i would expect a at the end to be fully evaluated [1,2,3] |
| 2024-02-24 07:54:50 +0000 | <c_wraith> | yeah, that's a type error. |
| 2024-02-24 07:55:01 +0000 | <mauke> | 1:2:3:[] is fully evaluated |
| 2024-02-24 07:55:13 +0000 | <mauke> | seq only forces the top-level structure, not deeply |
| 2024-02-24 07:55:31 +0000 | <c_wraith> | running main also won't cause seq to be evaluated there |
| 2024-02-24 07:55:45 +0000 | <mauke> | your code never reaches seq |
| 2024-02-24 07:55:49 +0000 | <mauke> | yeah :-) |
| 2024-02-24 07:56:09 +0000 | <mauke> | in fact, b is unused and so is a |
| 2024-02-24 07:56:37 +0000 | <fraznel> | haha |
| 2024-02-24 07:56:46 +0000 | <mauke> | I'd expect ghc to compile this to no code at all :-) |
| 2024-02-24 07:56:58 +0000 | <fraznel> | aye, its a artificial example and your right, that is a compile error i need ::[Integer] |
| 2024-02-24 07:57:17 +0000 | <mauke> | > [1,2]:3:[] :: [Integer] |
| 2024-02-24 07:57:18 +0000 | <lambdabot> | error: |
| 2024-02-24 07:57:18 +0000 | <lambdabot> | • Couldn't match type ‘[a0]’ with ‘Integer’ |
| 2024-02-24 07:57:18 +0000 | <lambdabot> | Expected type: [Integer] |
| 2024-02-24 07:57:35 +0000 | <fraznel> | but assuming a is used later on and b is only ever used to seq... and a is typed well to [Integer] |
| 2024-02-24 07:57:42 +0000 | <fraznel> | hmm. i guess i don't know how to ask the question right |
| 2024-02-24 07:58:13 +0000 | <fraznel> | will forcing another bound thunk to evaluate force other names bound to that thunk to evaluate as well in haskell? |
| 2024-02-24 07:58:13 +0000 | <mauke> | you seem to think a:b:[] can be "evaluated" to [a,b] |
| 2024-02-24 07:58:18 +0000 | <mauke> | that is not the case |
| 2024-02-24 07:58:37 +0000 | <mauke> | [a,b] is pretty syntax for the structure that is a:b:[] |
| 2024-02-24 07:58:41 +0000 | <fraznel> | right |
| 2024-02-24 07:58:56 +0000 | <fraznel> | how about with + then |
| 2024-02-24 07:59:06 +0000 | <fraznel> | uh.. i'll rewrite it and check for compilation errors |
| 2024-02-24 07:59:28 +0000 | <mauke> | let a = sqrt 2; b = a in print b |
| 2024-02-24 07:59:43 +0000 | <mauke> | "does this evaluate a?" <- is that what you're asking? |
| 2024-02-24 08:00:45 +0000 | <fraznel> | yes |
| 2024-02-24 08:01:02 +0000 | <fraznel> | does that make a amortized and now a seq of a won't force any new thunks |
| 2024-02-24 08:01:41 +0000 | <fraznel> | let a = sqrt 2; b = a in print b; seq a () |
| 2024-02-24 08:01:45 +0000 | <c_wraith> | I think you've skipped a few steps, and that's really biting you. |
| 2024-02-24 08:01:47 +0000 | <fraznel> | does that seq then no longer do any "work" |
| 2024-02-24 08:02:11 +0000 | <mauke> | don't know about amortized but the answer is yes: a and b are just names for the same thunk, and forcing a thunk makes it replace itself by the result |
| 2024-02-24 08:02:11 +0000 | sroso | (~sroso@user/SrOso) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2024-02-24 08:02:56 +0000 | <c_wraith> | amortization is an issue to address once you understand what laziness is doing. |
| 2024-02-24 08:04:33 +0000 | <fraznel> | bah, my brains mush with being specific tonight. but I think you guys helped things click with haskell and thunk evaluation. I don't know why that word came out of my fingers. :P Scheduling is a way to change amortized complexity into worst case complexity provided you can prove it by something like the bankers method in a proof |
| 2024-02-24 08:05:35 +0000 | <c_wraith> | yeah, but if you want to know why unsafeInterleaveST is involved, it gets really deep into the weeds. |
| 2024-02-24 08:05:52 +0000 | <fraznel> | i'm going to keep fiddling with ghci to see if i can get good feedback about thunk evaluation the sqrt example is super helpful. Is there a better way to get a graph of thunks or evaluated vs unevaluated and what thunk references which other than :print, :force / sec |
| 2024-02-24 08:06:00 +0000 | <c_wraith> | in particular, it has to do with preventing duplicated work when sharing is involved |
| 2024-02-24 08:06:24 +0000 | <c_wraith> | if you track down the reddit thread for that blog post, it goes into more details |
| 2024-02-24 08:06:44 +0000 | <fraznel> | why would that prevent duplicated work more so than having more of a schedule list you are forcing with seq? |
| 2024-02-24 08:06:48 +0000 | <c_wraith> | I remember this because I asked why it was so complicated. :) |
| 2024-02-24 08:06:53 +0000 | tromp | (~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) |
| 2024-02-24 08:07:08 +0000 | <fraznel> | oh... does it prevent persistant old copies from duplicating? wait, no the persistant old copies should reference the same thunks still... :| |
| 2024-02-24 08:07:24 +0000 | <c_wraith> | yes. they reference a chain of pointers. |
| 2024-02-24 08:07:43 +0000 | <c_wraith> | it lets the implementation skip the chain of pointers with persistent access |
| 2024-02-24 08:08:22 +0000 | <fraznel> | oh, so it doesn't have to iterate through some representation of thunks to progress the schedule then? |
| 2024-02-24 08:08:28 +0000 | <mauke> | there was a graphical tool somewhere to visualize data structures and thunks |
| 2024-02-24 08:08:31 +0000 | <c_wraith> | yes |
| 2024-02-24 08:08:40 +0000 | <mauke> | anyone remember what I'm talking about? |
| 2024-02-24 08:09:27 +0000 | <c_wraith> | vacuum? or... it got a successor, didn't it? |
| 2024-02-24 08:11:59 +0000 | peterbecich | (~Thunderbi@047-229-123-186.res.spectrum.com) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2024-02-24 08:12:33 +0000 | tromp | (~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) |
| 2024-02-24 08:13:04 +0000 | <fraznel> | c_wraith, glad you saw that then, it seemed super complicated of an implementation to me too. I'll try to find the reddit thread. I don't get it and want to for sure. |
| 2024-02-24 08:13:50 +0000 | <fraznel> | vacuum looks great! |
| 2024-02-24 08:15:11 +0000 | <c_wraith> | hmm. there was ghc-heap-view, but it also looks unmaintained at this point |
| 2024-02-24 08:20:35 +0000 | <fraznel> | c_wraith, mauke thanks for the tips! I'm gonna chase some of the tools down and play around with them |
| 2024-02-24 08:21:38 +0000 | krei-se | (~krei-se@p5085d2ec.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in) |
| 2024-02-24 08:27:25 +0000 | danza | (~francesco@151.19.225.172) |
| 2024-02-24 08:27:38 +0000 | <haskellbridge> | <irregularsphere> fraznel: "[1,2]:3:[]" are you looking for "[1,2] ++ [3]"? |
| 2024-02-24 08:28:21 +0000 | acidjnk | (~acidjnk@p200300d6e737e74169014d40f6ae7dec.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 2024-02-24 08:29:05 +0000 | krei-se | (~krei-se@p5085d2ec.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 2024-02-24 08:30:38 +0000 | <fraznel> | rereading what i said i was mixing up terms left and right. I should have used ++ not : and I kept using amortize instead of memoize :X, watching a video of someone who has ghc-viz compiling and is poking around with it in ghci |
| 2024-02-24 08:33:53 +0000 | <fraznel> | just for general library availability, this video is really good at showing the memory model of sharing / laziness in ghc so far https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4lnCG18TaY |
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| 2024-02-24 09:00:00 +0000 | <kaol> | I'm reading about MLIR (an LLVM thing for interfacing with it). I've ran into the phrase "generated automatically" several times now and if this was in Haskell it would just be a Functor or something else and you'd know it'd have certain properties right away without ever encountering those words. |
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| 2024-02-24 16:32:18 +0000 | TheCoffeMaker | (~TheCoffeM@user/thecoffemaker) (Quit: So long and thanks for all the fish) |
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| 2024-02-24 16:40:53 +0000 | machinedgod | (~machinedg@d173-183-246-216.abhsia.telus.net) |
| 2024-02-24 16:42:58 +0000 | <hololeap> | kaol: what about a Functor is generated automatically? a functor allows you to modify some inner value |
| 2024-02-24 16:44:39 +0000 | <hololeap> | maybe you're thinking of a monoid? |
| 2024-02-24 16:49:49 +0000 | coot | (~coot@89-69-206-216.dynamic.chello.pl) (Quit: coot) |
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| 2024-02-24 16:55:44 +0000 | TheCoffeMaker | (~TheCoffeM@user/thecoffemaker) |
| 2024-02-24 16:57:16 +0000 | <kaol> | I know very well what a functor is, thank you. |
| 2024-02-24 16:58:18 +0000 | <kaol> | I'm just missing the clarity of having documentation say that this is abstraction X right away. |
| 2024-02-24 16:59:06 +0000 | <kaol> | This is C++ so I have to wade through a swamp to finally glean that any single thing is after all something very simple when you find the right way to look at it. |
| 2024-02-24 16:59:24 +0000 | <kaol> | I've been spoiled. |
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| 2024-02-24 19:03:25 +0000 | <kvgrai> | hey |
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| 2024-02-24 20:07:26 +0000 | AlexZenon | (~alzenon@178.34.161.13) |
| 2024-02-24 20:12:38 +0000 | AlexZenon | (~alzenon@178.34.161.13) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2024-02-24 20:16:14 +0000 | AlexZenon | (~alzenon@178.34.161.13) |
| 2024-02-24 20:25:02 +0000 | p3n | (~p3n@2a00:19a0:3:7c:0:d9c6:7cf6:1) |
| 2024-02-24 20:31:30 +0000 | fun-safe-math | (~fun-safe-@c-24-21-106-247.hsd1.or.comcast.net) () |
| 2024-02-24 20:33:19 +0000 | iteratee | (~kyle@162.218.222.207) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) |
| 2024-02-24 20:33:31 +0000 | fun-safe-math | (~fun-safe-@c-24-21-106-247.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 2024-02-24 20:34:54 +0000 | Sgeo | (~Sgeo@user/sgeo) |
| 2024-02-24 20:35:06 +0000 | iteratee | (~kyle@162.218.222.207) |
| 2024-02-24 20:36:53 +0000 | michalz | (~michalz@185.246.207.200) |
| 2024-02-24 20:45:37 +0000 | gateway | (~user@p200300f91711f40021e002e59cf24cbd.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 2024-02-24 20:47:20 +0000 | gateway | (~user@p200300f91711f40021e002e59cf24cbd.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (ERC 5.5.0.29.1 (IRC client for GNU Emacs 29.1)) |
| 2024-02-24 20:47:48 +0000 | gateway | (~user@p200300f91711f40021e002e59cf24cbd.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 2024-02-24 20:53:46 +0000 | coot | (~coot@89-69-206-216.dynamic.chello.pl) |
| 2024-02-24 20:54:25 +0000 | iteratee | (~kyle@162.218.222.207) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 2024-02-24 20:56:36 +0000 | iteratee | (~kyle@162.218.222.207) |
| 2024-02-24 20:59:08 +0000 | TheCoffeMaker | (~TheCoffeM@user/thecoffemaker) (Quit: So long and thanks for all the fish) |
| 2024-02-24 21:00:53 +0000 | sprout_ | (~quassel@2a02-a448-3a80-0-b140-8bd0-1a5f-1944.fixed6.kpn.net) |
| 2024-02-24 21:01:35 +0000 | zetef | (~quassel@2a02:2f00:5208:300:c040:6289:5a5f:2d91) |
| 2024-02-24 21:02:47 +0000 | sprout__ | (~quassel@2a02-a448-3a80-0-252b-984d-420d-e98d.fixed6.kpn.net) |
| 2024-02-24 21:04:04 +0000 | sprout | (~quassel@2a02-a448-3a80-0-a83b-8754-fdb3-8d27.fixed6.kpn.net) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) |
| 2024-02-24 21:05:15 +0000 | oo_miguel | (~Thunderbi@78-11-181-16.static.ip.netia.com.pl) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2024-02-24 21:05:59 +0000 | zetef_ | (~quassel@2a02:2f00:5208:300:c040:6289:5a5f:2d91) |
| 2024-02-24 21:06:06 +0000 | sprout_ | (~quassel@2a02-a448-3a80-0-b140-8bd0-1a5f-1944.fixed6.kpn.net) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) |
| 2024-02-24 21:07:48 +0000 | zetef | (~quassel@2a02:2f00:5208:300:c040:6289:5a5f:2d91) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) |
| 2024-02-24 21:10:57 +0000 | _ht | (~Thunderbi@28-52-174-82.ftth.glasoperator.nl) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2024-02-24 21:13:03 +0000 | iteratee_ | (~kyle@162.218.222.207) |
| 2024-02-24 21:15:44 +0000 | iteratee | (~kyle@162.218.222.207) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) |
| 2024-02-24 21:15:46 +0000 | pretty_dumm_guy | (trottel@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/prettydummguy/x-88029655) |
| 2024-02-24 21:18:27 +0000 | sprout__ | sprout |
| 2024-02-24 21:24:17 +0000 | jmdaemon | (~jmdaemon@user/jmdaemon) |
| 2024-02-24 21:24:21 +0000 | gateway | (~user@p200300f91711f40021e002e59cf24cbd.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (ERC 5.5.0.29.1 (IRC client for GNU Emacs 29.1)) |
| 2024-02-24 21:24:45 +0000 | a51 | (a51@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/a51) (Quit: WeeChat 4.2.1) |
| 2024-02-24 21:25:19 +0000 | a51 | (a51@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/a51) |
| 2024-02-24 21:26:17 +0000 | rekahsoft | (~rekahsoft@70.51.99.248) |
| 2024-02-24 21:27:33 +0000 | picnoir | (~picnoir@about/aquilenet/vodoo/NinjaTrappeur) (Quit: WeeChat 4.2.1) |
| 2024-02-24 21:28:00 +0000 | a51 | (a51@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/a51) (Client Quit) |
| 2024-02-24 21:29:49 +0000 | zetef_ | (~quassel@2a02:2f00:5208:300:c040:6289:5a5f:2d91) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2024-02-24 21:29:52 +0000 | gmg | (~user@user/gehmehgeh) (Quit: Leaving) |
| 2024-02-24 21:30:27 +0000 | picnoir | (~picnoir@about/aquilenet/vodoo/NinjaTrappeur) |
| 2024-02-24 21:33:46 +0000 | mulk | (~mulk@91.17.36.199) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) |
| 2024-02-24 21:33:54 +0000 | dcoutts | (~duncan@cpc69402-oxfd27-2-0-cust903.4-3.cable.virginm.net) |
| 2024-02-24 21:34:08 +0000 | iteratee_ | (~kyle@162.218.222.207) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2024-02-24 21:34:26 +0000 | mulk | (~mulk@pd9514bb2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 2024-02-24 21:34:32 +0000 | iteratee | (~kyle@162.218.222.207) |
| 2024-02-24 21:37:05 +0000 | tromp | (~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) |
| 2024-02-24 21:37:23 +0000 | FragByte | (~christian@user/fragbyte) (Quit: Quit) |
| 2024-02-24 21:39:17 +0000 | FragByte | (~christian@user/fragbyte) |
| 2024-02-24 21:43:57 +0000 | takuan | (~takuan@178-116-218-225.access.telenet.be) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2024-02-24 21:47:09 +0000 | zetef | (~quassel@2a02:2f00:5208:300:c040:6289:5a5f:2d91) |
| 2024-02-24 21:47:14 +0000 | AlexZenon | (~alzenon@178.34.161.13) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2024-02-24 21:47:56 +0000 | rscastilho2024 | (rscastilho@189.61.140.215) |
| 2024-02-24 21:48:22 +0000 | rscastilho2024 | (rscastilho@189.61.140.215) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2024-02-24 21:52:03 +0000 | tromp | (~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) |
| 2024-02-24 21:55:50 +0000 | a51 | (a51@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/a51) |
| 2024-02-24 22:00:40 +0000 | [exa] | (~exa@user/exa/x-3587197) (Quit: WeeChat 4.1.2) |
| 2024-02-24 22:06:23 +0000 | AlexZenon | (~alzenon@178.34.161.13) |
| 2024-02-24 22:13:05 +0000 | machinedgod | (~machinedg@d173-183-246-216.abhsia.telus.net) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2024-02-24 22:17:04 +0000 | zetef | (~quassel@2a02:2f00:5208:300:c040:6289:5a5f:2d91) (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) |
| 2024-02-24 22:18:18 +0000 | zetef | (~quassel@2a02:2f00:5208:300:2eac:56a:f29c:cb5b) |
| 2024-02-24 22:19:55 +0000 | michalz | (~michalz@185.246.207.200) (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in) |
| 2024-02-24 22:21:15 +0000 | tromp | (~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) |
| 2024-02-24 22:22:53 +0000 | CiaoSen | (~Jura@2a05:5800:2ce:9400:e6b9:7aff:fe80:3d03) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) |
| 2024-02-24 22:25:35 +0000 | zetef | (~quassel@2a02:2f00:5208:300:2eac:56a:f29c:cb5b) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2024-02-24 22:26:14 +0000 | zetef | (~quassel@2a02:2f00:5208:300:2eac:56a:f29c:cb5b) |
| 2024-02-24 22:27:24 +0000 | ystael | (~ystael@user/ystael) |
| 2024-02-24 22:30:55 +0000 | amjoseph | (~amjoseph@static-198-44-128-146.cust.tzulo.com) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2024-02-24 22:31:53 +0000 | bilegeek | (~bilegeek@2600:1008:b086:477d:7583:8839:720f:c01b) |
| 2024-02-24 22:46:05 +0000 | AlexZenon | (~alzenon@178.34.161.13) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2024-02-24 22:50:51 +0000 | pretty_dumm_guy | (trottel@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/prettydummguy/x-88029655) (Quit: WeeChat 3.5) |
| 2024-02-24 22:52:27 +0000 | AlexZenon | (~alzenon@178.34.161.13) |
| 2024-02-24 22:58:00 +0000 | jargon | (~jargon@53.sub-174-205-227.myvzw.com) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2024-02-24 22:59:34 +0000 | jargon | (~jargon@53.sub-174-205-227.myvzw.com) |
| 2024-02-24 23:05:13 +0000 | yoo | (~yo0O0o@104.28.226.104) |
| 2024-02-24 23:09:17 +0000 | chexum | (~quassel@gateway/tor-sasl/chexum) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2024-02-24 23:09:40 +0000 | chexum | (~quassel@gateway/tor-sasl/chexum) |
| 2024-02-24 23:09:55 +0000 | tdammers | (~tdammers@219-131-178-143.ftth.glasoperator.nl) |
| 2024-02-24 23:11:06 +0000 | yoo | (~yo0O0o@104.28.226.104) (Max SendQ exceeded) |
| 2024-02-24 23:15:45 +0000 | yoo | (~yo0O0o@104.28.226.104) |
| 2024-02-24 23:18:03 +0000 | haftl | (~user@p200300f91711f40021e002e59cf24cbd.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 2024-02-24 23:18:50 +0000 | zetef | (~quassel@2a02:2f00:5208:300:2eac:56a:f29c:cb5b) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2024-02-24 23:26:04 +0000 | kvgrai | (~kvgrai@p200300f91711f4000c1e8d1adb8ecaa4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2024-02-24 23:29:22 +0000 | coot | (~coot@89-69-206-216.dynamic.chello.pl) (Quit: coot) |
| 2024-02-24 23:29:28 +0000 | target_i | (~target_i@217.175.14.39) (Quit: leaving) |
| 2024-02-24 23:38:29 +0000 | haftl | gateway |
| 2024-02-24 23:38:37 +0000 | gateway | kvgrai` |
| 2024-02-24 23:39:21 +0000 | kvgrai` | haftl |
| 2024-02-24 23:41:02 +0000 | haftl | (~user@p200300f91711f40021e002e59cf24cbd.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Changing host) |
| 2024-02-24 23:41:02 +0000 | haftl | (~user@user/haftl) |
| 2024-02-24 23:41:46 +0000 | haftl | (~user@user/haftl) (Quit: ERC 5.5.0.29.1 (IRC client for GNU Emacs 29.1)) |
| 2024-02-24 23:42:06 +0000 | haftl | (~user@p200300f91711f40021e002e59cf24cbd.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 2024-02-24 23:45:54 +0000 | haftl | (~user@p200300f91711f40021e002e59cf24cbd.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Changing host) |
| 2024-02-24 23:45:54 +0000 | haftl | (~user@user/haftl) |
| 2024-02-24 23:51:35 +0000 | Lycurgus | (~georg@user/Lycurgus) |
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