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2024-02-22 01:52:50 +0100 <sm> ph88: I see you got it resolved (corrupted stack.yaml.lock and old Cabal bug 😅)
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2024-02-22 10:15:55 +0100 <julie_pilgrim> hi im new to haskell and im wondering what the best way of debugging it would be? im looking for something like GDB but for haskell
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2024-02-22 10:41:21 +0100 <dminuoso> Well, you *can* use gdb/lldb with GHC Haskell.
2024-02-22 10:41:32 +0100 <dminuoso> GHCi can also be used, the wiki has some information on that.
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2024-02-22 13:58:02 +0100 <ph88> sm, yes thank you for thinking along <3
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2024-02-22 15:36:18 +0100 <cheater> so what happened to hott
2024-02-22 15:36:21 +0100 <cheater> did it fizzle out
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2024-02-22 15:43:06 +0100 <int-e> Voevodsky died in 2017, which was a huge setback, because (afaik) he was the main visionary in that area. It's certainly not dead though.
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2024-02-22 15:54:43 +0100 <ncf> hott is doing well
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2024-02-22 17:46:43 +0100 <chymera> hi guys, I gave haskell a try on account of hating object salad. I thought that being “functional” it would avoid that. But I see a lot of usage of `class` and `instance`, am I understanding the difference between functional and object-oriented programming incorrectly?
2024-02-22 17:47:31 +0100 <dolio> Those aren't really like the OO class and instance.
2024-02-22 17:49:34 +0100L29Ah(~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah) ()
2024-02-22 17:50:49 +0100 <dolio> A class identifies a collection of types that support an overloaded API. And an instance is such a type, with its implementation of the API.
2024-02-22 17:56:36 +0100 <geekosaur> an example of this is the class Functor, which is defined by `fmap :: (a -> b) -> f a -> f b` with specific laws. every Functor has its own specific implementation, but they all follow the same laws
2024-02-22 17:57:29 +0100 <geekosaur> I still consider the use of OO-like terms to describe this unfortunate, especially when it's stretched even further ("superclasses", which aren't), but here we are
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2024-02-22 18:00:11 +0100 <EvanR> and they called return return when it doesn't!
2024-02-22 18:00:13 +0100 <EvanR> smh
2024-02-22 18:00:49 +0100 <EvanR> they should've doubled down and called function application dependency injection
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2024-02-22 18:10:16 +0100 <dolio> What else should they be called?
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2024-02-22 18:11:33 +0100 <dolio> Like, what people would normally refer to a 'superclass' in Haskell must contain all the types in the, 'subclass,' just like you'd expect from sub/super in math.
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2024-02-22 18:12:43 +0100 <dolio> That could be accidentally true for classes that aren't declared to be related, but because of open world assumptions you can never be sure.
2024-02-22 18:14:22 +0100 <EvanR> if someone gives you two objects and says they're in the same class or instances of the same class, OOP person probably concludes they're not instances of any other class
2024-02-22 18:14:27 +0100 <EvanR> while math person wouldn't
2024-02-22 18:14:39 +0100 <EvanR> I blame oop for using confusing terminology way back when it was invented
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2024-02-22 18:17:00 +0100 <dolio> I don't think that's even true in OOP.
2024-02-22 18:19:24 +0100 <dolio> But I also don't care about designing my use of terminology around some other group of people making mistakes about their use of the same terminology.
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2024-02-22 18:45:23 +0100 <int-e> "class" is not primarily a mathematical term
2024-02-22 18:46:48 +0100 <int-e> (I'm kind of serious; with this attitude, mathematicians should be the first to be accused of misusing terminology. Set is a stretch; there's nothing natural about natural numbers or real about real numebrs; and don't get me started on rings and fields. And the list goes on forever.)
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