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2023-08-22 07:18:08 +0200jonathan__(~jonathan@193.203.13.85)
2023-08-22 07:18:13 +0200 <Inst> curious, any haskell windows users here using monomer?
2023-08-22 07:18:14 +0200 <Inst> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/968989726633779215/1143357633294762074/image.png?width=79…
2023-08-22 07:18:19 +0200 <Inst> i'm trying to figure out why this is happening
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2023-08-22 08:10:29 +0200 <Inst> this is f-ing disgusting
2023-08-22 08:10:51 +0200 <Inst> i got my monomer app to work by downloading prebuilt dlls from the internet
2023-08-22 08:10:58 +0200 <Inst> i'm feeling suicidal now
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2023-08-22 09:00:48 +0200 <Inst> well, at least I have a non-ick solution right now
2023-08-22 09:01:24 +0200 <Inst> microsoft visual C++ redistributable, much more credible, and dump them in my msys directory
2023-08-22 09:01:26 +0200 <Inst> https://github.com/ubawurinna/freetype-windows-binaries
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2023-08-22 16:00:19 +0200 <Square2> Just curious, did Philip Wadler invent Maybe. If not, who did?
2023-08-22 16:00:38 +0200bramhaag7(~bramhaag@198.8.58.39)
2023-08-22 16:01:00 +0200 <ncf> who invented natural numbers?
2023-08-22 16:10:27 +0200sm(~sm@plaintextaccounting/sm)
2023-08-22 16:15:02 +0200 <leah2> surely sml had an optional type before
2023-08-22 16:15:13 +0200 <leah2> not sure which programming language had it first tho
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2023-08-22 16:22:51 +0200 <lortabac> AFAIK Hope was the first language with algebraic data types
2023-08-22 16:23:07 +0200shapr(~user@2600:1700:c640:3100:944:4982:f0a2:9b14)
2023-08-22 16:24:05 +0200 <lortabac> but I don't know who invented Maybe, it might be Wadler indeed
2023-08-22 16:25:47 +0200 <ncf> i don't think that makes much sense
2023-08-22 16:28:19 +0200 <lortabac> it makes sense from a historical perspective. Even though the idea may be as ancient as humankind, its application to programming languages definitely must have a clear origin
2023-08-22 16:29:57 +0200 <ncf> so "applied", not "invented"
2023-08-22 16:30:48 +0200 <ncf> otherwise by the same reasoning Wadler invented monads...
2023-08-22 16:31:20 +0200 <ncf> (well, i think he did not even apply them. he popularised them based on earlier work by Moggi, or something)
2023-08-22 16:37:01 +0200 <dolio> Wadler came up with the idea of talking about them within the language to structure programs. Moggi was using them for semantics of languages, I believe.
2023-08-22 16:44:15 +0200 <danse-nr3_> what is interesting in the question is the interpretation of "invented Maybe". For instance lortabac seeing it as the use of algebraic data types
2023-08-22 16:46:11 +0200 <lortabac> I mean, having ADT's is 95% of the job :)
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2023-08-22 16:50:14 +0200 <danse-nr3_> another aspect that i find very interesting is that the question sheds some light on Maybe as being a very elegant solution despite its simplicity. Was one of my arguments for having an `head` that returns a `Maybe`, so that haskellers are exposed earlier to this type of monad
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2023-08-22 17:21:08 +0200 <EvanR> if you use safeHead make sure to include safeFromJust
2023-08-22 17:24:13 +0200 <EvanR> :t listToMaybe -- danse-nr3_
2023-08-22 17:24:14 +0200 <lambdabot> [a] -> Maybe a
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2023-08-22 17:25:07 +0200 <dolio> The thing is that safe head isn't very useful. The list is just as good.
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2023-08-22 17:25:20 +0200 <EvanR> ^
2023-08-22 17:27:00 +0200 <lortabac> it's useful if you pass the result to another function instead of pattern-matching immediately
2023-08-22 17:27:58 +0200 <danse-nr3_> maybe it is something about accessibility, i landed on headMay from Safe and listToMaybe never occurred to me as an alternative, but it is so thanks for the pointer
2023-08-22 17:28:10 +0200 <dolio> If the other thing already takes a Maybe.
2023-08-22 17:28:14 +0200Unicorn_Princess(~Unicorn_P@user/Unicorn-Princess/x-3540542)
2023-08-22 17:28:14 +0200 <lortabac> it might not be the most common case, but it does happen from time to time
2023-08-22 17:28:50 +0200 <mauke> logical xor is just /=
2023-08-22 17:29:14 +0200gmg(~user@user/gehmehgeh)
2023-08-22 17:29:15 +0200 <dolio> I said it's not very useful, not that there are absolutely no situations where it might be what you want.
2023-08-22 17:30:13 +0200 <danse-nr3_> the value i see is providing newcomers with something that does not explode at runtime, but i did not want to bring back the conversation again
2023-08-22 17:30:49 +0200ulysses4ever(~artem@2601:408:c405:8f3:f474:e3f8:9806:671)
2023-08-22 17:31:04 +0200 <danse-nr3_> is safeFromJust not what we have already with fromMaybe?
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2023-08-22 17:33:03 +0200 <mauke> safeFromJust = id
2023-08-22 17:33:09 +0200tomku(~tomku@user/tomku)
2023-08-22 17:33:14 +0200 <danse-nr3_> (:
2023-08-22 17:36:56 +0200 <danse-nr3_> thinking about it twice, maybe i know why i landed on headMay rather than listToMaybe. The function name is telling, when one works with lists it does make sense to reach out for a set of functions that do what you need. That could be the head sometimes, the tail or the last other times
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2023-08-22 18:19:08 +0200 <int-e> EvanR: where do I join?
2023-08-22 18:19:43 +0200 <EvanR> i'll tell you after I find the API call and execute it
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2023-08-22 20:16:18 +0200 <danse-nr3> introducing flips to get point-free. I am worried i might be slipping to the dark side
2023-08-22 20:16:57 +0200 <geekosaur> you're just flipping out
2023-08-22 20:18:05 +0200 <ncf> don't forget to write it infix: f `flip` y
2023-08-22 20:20:32 +0200 <justsomeguy> I find Data.Function ((&)) much more readable than (.) for some reason.
2023-08-22 20:20:53 +0200 <danse-nr3> ncf: trippy, but not for my case. I want to pass a point-free function to a zipWith that needs it backwards to be point-free itself
2023-08-22 20:21:37 +0200 <danse-nr3> justsomeguy, it should be more readable to most, being close to sequential execution in imperative programming, but for some reason i sometimes like `&` better and other times `.`
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2023-08-22 20:22:11 +0200 <danse-nr3> but actually i think the opposite of & is $
2023-08-22 20:23:18 +0200 <EvanR> h . g . f is more readable than h $ g $ f $ x but you have to defer the "of x" to another line somewhere
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2023-08-22 20:24:49 +0200 <danse-nr3> yeah $ is quite noisy
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2023-08-22 20:26:31 +0200 <EvanR> *the power of the dot*
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2023-08-22 20:30:48 +0200 <monochrom> flip is not too bad.
2023-08-22 20:31:36 +0200 <monochrom> But if you go further and want combinators for all permutations of argument orders, then that's bad. >:)
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2023-08-22 20:32:36 +0200 <dminuoso> EvanR: Why not combine the two? h . g . f $ x
2023-08-22 20:33:10 +0200 <monochrom> Let's also have: x & h . g . f >:)
2023-08-22 20:34:53 +0200manwithl-(~manwithlu@2406:da14:5ea:e400:49df:93ba:b95b:7bda)
2023-08-22 20:35:32 +0200 <EvanR> I usually do (h . g . f) x if it has to happen now and this is not quick and dirty code
2023-08-22 20:35:54 +0200 <EvanR> where I forgot to put (
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2023-08-22 20:36:26 +0200 <monochrom> Yeah I often write "(h . g . f) x", and sometimes I feel like "h . g . f $ x" too.
2023-08-22 20:36:53 +0200 <danse-nr3> `h . g . f $ x` is just reasonable. Less noise
2023-08-22 20:37:21 +0200 <monochrom> I just avoid using $ when teaching. To the point I write "(<*>) = liftA2 (\f x -> f x)".
2023-08-22 20:37:48 +0200 <danse-nr3> because $ needs special handling, right?
2023-08-22 20:38:05 +0200 <monochrom> No, because I want students to respect parentheses.
2023-08-22 20:38:29 +0200 <EvanR> higher chance of chad developer throwing their hands up and declaring haskell has too many operators
2023-08-22 20:38:37 +0200 <mauke> we should make h . g . f) x legal syntax
2023-08-22 20:38:43 +0200 <EvanR> ^
2023-08-22 20:39:29 +0200 <monochrom> My opinion is unfair to $ but we all know statistically and empirically that the way it turns out is that beginners cargo-cult $ as "it eliminates parentheses" with zero understanding. I want to discourage that.
2023-08-22 20:40:25 +0200 <EvanR> we should take inspiration from zig, whose bracket pattern looks like { var r = acquireResource(); defer releaseResource(); ... the body code ...; }
2023-08-22 20:40:44 +0200 <monochrom> Whereas for professionals and production code I'm pragmatic and I agree with "whatever that works".
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2023-08-22 20:41:41 +0200 <monochrom> I think I prefer s/defer/on exit/ which brings us back to BASIC >:)
2023-08-22 20:41:42 +0200 <EvanR> by the time you get to the end of writing that code you don't remember to release. Better to rearrange the order of the code to match the writers brain
2023-08-22 20:42:06 +0200 <monochrom> I think our bracket has that order too.
2023-08-22 20:42:13 +0200 <geekosaur> yes
2023-08-22 20:42:25 +0200 <EvanR> blast
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2023-08-22 20:42:59 +0200 <monochrom> To the point I forgot that order and wrote "bracket open body close" and then for 5 minutes couldn't get it to work. >:( :D
2023-08-22 20:43:11 +0200 <geekosaur> lol
2023-08-22 20:43:13 +0200 <shapr> make a friendly alias?
2023-08-22 20:43:17 +0200 <mauke> { my $r = acquire_resource(); my $guard = End { release_resource() }; ... } # RAII, baby
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2023-08-22 20:44:10 +0200 <mauke> brketac a b c = bracket a c b
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2023-08-22 20:44:49 +0200 <EvanR> ket c . b . bra a
2023-08-22 20:44:58 +0200 <monochrom> I'm good with bracket's order, and EvanR has just explained a good reason for that order. I just forgot that Haskell is ideal.
2023-08-22 20:45:45 +0200 <EvanR> ok, bra's are functions in quantum mechanics so that's why they go first
2023-08-22 20:45:57 +0200 <EvanR> so bra should release the resource
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2023-08-22 22:49:09 +0200shaprhops quietly
2023-08-22 22:49:39 +0200 <Rembane> Hi shapr!
2023-08-22 22:49:44 +0200 <Rembane> shapr: Are you making beer?
2023-08-22 22:51:25 +0200pavonia(~user@user/siracusa)
2023-08-22 22:51:30 +0200 <shapr> ha, no
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2023-08-22 22:51:46 +0200 <shapr> I'm reading gabriella's nixos in production book and being distracted by differential dataflow
2023-08-22 22:51:54 +0200 <shapr> Rembane: doing anything fun?
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2023-08-22 22:56:57 +0200 <Rembane> shapr: Good stuff! I'm watching Twitch and chilling very actively. I tried to have Nix build and configure a DigitalOcean VPS for me yesterday but I don't seem to have enough neither RAM nor harddrive space to do it, so I'm considering just setting up the machine manually soon.
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2023-08-22 23:07:21 +0200 <Guest|67> How can i download haskell on my maCos Hig Sierra 10.13.6?
2023-08-22 23:10:04 +0200tromp(~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl)
2023-08-22 23:11:57 +0200 <danza_> Guest|67, try haskell.org/ghcup
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2023-08-22 23:18:10 +0200 <Guest|67> Thanku but I have already tried, it told me that if I have this modell or lower I have to upgrade or that I need sepperate binaries which I did not quite understand
2023-08-22 23:22:18 +0200td_(~td@i53870937.versanet.de) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2023-08-22 23:24:22 +0200 <tomsmeding> Guest|67: if you have the exact error message that you got, people here might recognise it and be able to point you in the right direction
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2023-08-22 23:25:50 +0200 <Guest|67> This is what I got:
2023-08-22 23:26:31 +0200tromp(~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
2023-08-22 23:26:41 +0200ddellacosta(~ddellacos@146.70.165.136)
2023-08-22 23:28:05 +0200 <Guest|67> ==> You are using macOS 10.13.
2023-08-22 23:28:05 +0200 <Guest|67> ==> We (and Apple) do not provide support for this old version.
2023-08-22 23:28:06 +0200 <Guest|67> This installation may not succeed.
2023-08-22 23:28:06 +0200 <Guest|67> After installation, you will encounter build failures with some formulae.
2023-08-22 23:28:07 +0200 <Guest|67> Please create pull requests instead of asking for help on Homebrew's GitHub,
2023-08-22 23:28:07 +0200 <Guest|67> Twitter or any other official channels. You are responsible for resolving any
2023-08-22 23:28:08 +0200 <Guest|67> issues you experience while you are running this old version.
2023-08-22 23:28:12 +0200 <Guest|67> ==> The Xcode Command Line Tools will be installed.
2023-08-22 23:28:12 +0200 <Guest|67> Press RETURN/ENTER to continue or any other key to abort:
2023-08-22 23:28:34 +0200 <tomsmeding> Guest|67: did you try to continue?
2023-08-22 23:29:13 +0200 <tomsmeding> also, for what purpose do you want to install haskell? Would you, for example, be okay with not getting the latest version?
2023-08-22 23:29:28 +0200 <Guest|67> yes
2023-08-22 23:29:31 +0200Buggys(Buggys@Buggy.shelltalk.net) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2023-08-22 23:29:32 +0200 <tomsmeding> (I have to leave now; perhaps others can help)
2023-08-22 23:29:37 +0200 <Guest|67> this what was written:
2023-08-22 23:29:43 +0200 <Guest|67> ress RETURN/ENTER to continue or any other key to abort:
2023-08-22 23:29:44 +0200 <Guest|67> ==> /usr/bin/sudo /usr/sbin/chown -R yemsrachabebe:admin /usr/local/Homebrew
2023-08-22 23:29:44 +0200 <Guest|67> ==> Searching online for the Command Line Tools
2023-08-22 23:29:45 +0200 <Guest|67> ==> /usr/bin/sudo /usr/bin/touch /tmp/.com.apple.dt.CommandLineTools.installondemand.in-progress
2023-08-22 23:29:45 +0200 <Guest|67> ==> Installing Command Line Tools (macOS High Sierra version 10.13) for Xcode-10.1
2023-08-22 23:29:46 +0200 <Guest|67> ==> /usr/bin/sudo /usr/sbin/softwareupdate -i Command\ Line\ Tools\ (macOS\ High\ Sierra\ version\ 10.13)\ for\ Xcode-10.1
2023-08-22 23:29:46 +0200 <Guest|67> Software Update Tool
2023-08-22 23:29:47 +0200 <Guest|67> Downloading Command Line Tools (macOS High Sierra version 10.13) for Xcode
2023-08-22 23:29:49 +0200 <tomsmeding> @where paste
2023-08-22 23:29:49 +0200 <lambdabot> Help us help you: please paste full code, input and/or output at e.g. https://paste.tomsmeding.com
2023-08-22 23:29:49 +0200eggplantade(~Eggplanta@2600:1700:38c5:d800:75c0:69c6:c6bf:d46c)
2023-08-22 23:29:52 +0200 <tomsmeding> Guest|67: ^
2023-08-22 23:30:01 +0200 <tomsmeding> please don't flood the channel :)
2023-08-22 23:30:34 +0200 <yushyin> can't you just update macos first?
2023-08-22 23:33:35 +0200 <Guest|67> Is thAT POSSIBLE? I dont think so cause 10.13.6 is the modell of this computer
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2023-08-22 23:35:41 +0200Buggys(Buggys@shelltalk.net)
2023-08-22 23:35:49 +0200 <yushyin> I don't know, that's why I'm asking. If my operating system version is EOL, I would update it.
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